Deucalion Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 10 hours ago, zen said: If it were Ind newspaper, you would use Lahori logic and say it is false news. So why should we take Pakistani news at face value And please refer to the point 1 of the facts that I posted By: ABHISHEK BHALLA dailymail ? mostly icfers (indians) says dailmail is nothing more thn tabloid. Finer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 6, 2016 Share Posted October 6, 2016 10 minutes ago, Deucalion said: By: ABHISHEK BHALLA dailymail ? mostly icfers (indians) says dailmail is nothing more thn tabloid. See you are again using LL. And that too when the info can be available through UN Not every news on a tabloid newspapet is tabloid news. Daily mail would report for e.g. Pak was #1 in tests for a month. Would that be tabloid news? And let's not forget how Pakistani news papers and media are rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 8 hours ago, Muloghonto said: I see no factual validity in this, because Independent media and the UN, for 70 years, has consistently shown India to be far closer to the truth & transparency of government than Pakistan. Do some research- Indian media is ranked higher than Pakistani media in terms of freedom of media. Indian government scores way, way higher than Pakistan in transparency of government. And we have independently documented evidence of your armed forces doctoring & cooking up propaganda for internal consumption. We do not have such evidence for Indian army. So based on that, i don't see how one can term Indian government as 'bastards' in this scenario. Pakistan is consistently proving by every objective benchmark to be the 'bastards'. PS: As i keep asking you and you keep running away, how dare you call a man (Modi), exonerated by the justice system for negligence/participation in massacre of 15000 people, when your government & joke of a justice system refuses to even try applying the laws of justice to your country's leader who is accused of negligence/participation in massacre of 1 million + bengalis ? Modi 'cleard' by indian judicial system... (despite the fact he was involved in terrorism over his own people) Hafiz Saeed cleard by Pak judicial system... court system 1:1 Now Indian public 'elected' Modi as PM... Pak public wont elect Hafiz Saeed even as local MNA... If for a sec leave all govt, Army aside, it at least proves which Nation among Pak vs Ind is more terrorism-friendly... btw Modi can't get rid of terrorism label in his lifetime, no matter how many "clean chits" indian judiciry keep giving him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 16 minutes ago, Asim said: Modi 'cleard' by indian judicial system... (despite the fact he was involved in terrorism over his own people) Hafiz Saeed cleard by Pak judicial system... court system 1:1 Now Indian public 'elected' Modi as PM... Pak public wont elect Hafiz Saeed even as local MNA... If for a sec leave all govt, Army aside, it at least proves which Nation among Pak vs Ind is more terrorism-friendly... btw Modi can't get rid of terrorism label in his lifetime, no matter how many "clean chits" indian judiciry keep giving him... Let me try one more time: Modi was accused of negligence/participation in riots that caused deaths of 15,000 people. He was tried in the court system and exonerated. Yahya Khan is accused of negligence/participation in genocide that caused deaths of 2 million people. He is yet to stand trial. It does prove which government is more terrorism/genocide friendly. And that is Pakistan. PS: Modi has already gotten rid of the terrorism label. Only Pakistani who have no clue on how a justice system functions or have a functional justice system continue to question the allegations. Rest of the world has accepted and moved on. Come back when Pakistan has the balls to try Yahya Khan and declare him a national stain. Vilander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-more-assertive-india-is-good-for-the-west-1475770060 The Wall Street JournalA More Assertive India Is Good for the WestWashington should welcome New Delhi’s military strikes on terrorists in Kashmir.By SADANAND DHUMEOct. 6, 2016 12:07 p.m. ETIndia last week turned nearly two decades of Pakistan policy on its head. By announcing attacks on terrorist “launch pads”—final staging posts for militants before they cross over from the Pakistan-controlled part of Kashmir to the Indian side—New Delhi signaled a new pugnaciousness in response to terrorism from across the border, such as the Sept. 18 attack that killed 19 Indian soldiers at a Kashmir border camp.In another departure from the past, the U.S. appeared to back India rather than reflexively call for restraint on both sides. A White House statement following a phone conversation between National Security Adviser Susan Rice and her Indian counterpart, Ajit Doval, “strongly condemned the Sept. 18 cross-border attack” and urged Pakistan to “take effective action” against terrorist groups, including Jaish-e-Mohammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba.The Obama administration is right to welcome—or at least accept—India’s new toughness. In the short run, an India that no longer turns the other cheek to violence by Pakistan-based terrorist groups may worry those who fear instability in the subcontinent. Over time, however, an India that stands up to terrorism is more likely to anchor South Asian stability than one that ducks the problem. It will also make a more reliable partner against both radical Islam and Chinese hegemony in Asia.The Indian army says it conducted “surgical strikes” against terrorists at “launch pads along the line of control,” the de facto border between the Indian and Pakistani parts of Kashmir. The senior military official who briefed reporters added that the strikes had caused “significant casualties” to “the terrorists and those who are trying to support them,” an allusion to the Pakistani army.Precise details of the operation remain a mystery. The government has already quashed an overzealous media’s more lurid speculation, including claims of a helicopter-borne raid modeled on the 2011 U.S. killing of Osama bin Laden. Some anonymous sources paint a more plausible picture: small teams of Indian special forces crossed on foot up to 3 kilometers inside Pakistan-controlled territory in several places, and killed an unspecified number of likely terrorists.For its part, Pakistan says India killed two of its soldiers, but Islamabad emphatically denies any raid on territory it controls. On Saturday the Pakistani military took reporters to the line of control to speak with villagers who denied seeing any Indian soldiers cross over.No matter which side you believe—and few serious analysts doubt the broad contours of India’s official claim—the Modi government’s decision to go public is significant. Instead of treating the line of control as a de facto border, as it has for decades, India is showing a willingness to openly breach it for counterterrorism operations. It correctly reckons that, unlike in the past, international pressure to prevent escalation between the nuclear-armed neighbors will fall primarily on Pakistan.In terms of messaging, the strikes appeared designed to fulfill somewhat contradictory purposes. For a domestic audience they suggest boldness and embellish Mr. Modi’s muscular image. (The Indian media’s penchant for chest-thumping exaggeration didn’t hurt.)For the international community, India underscores a sense of responsibility and continued restraint. New Delhi has framed its attack as a limited, pre-emptive strike against terrorists. By confining its actions to the disputed territory of Kashmir, not targeting regular Pakistani troops and not using air power, India arguably bent over backward to ensure that it delivered its message while minimizing the risk of escalation.Indeed, though the cross-border strikes predictably garnered most of the headlines, Mr. Modi has placed diplomacy at the heart of his response to the Sept. 18 attack. Next month’s scheduled South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation meeting in Islamabad collapsed when Bangladesh, Afghanistan and Bhutan joined India in pulling out. Bangladesh and Afghanistan, in particular, share India’s displeasure with Pakistan’s role in fomenting Islamist radicalism in their countries.India also said it would move to use its share of rivers from a 56-year- old water treaty with Pakistan more effectively, a veiled threat, albeit one with few immediate consequences. Meanwhile New Delhi is considering rescinding the “most favored nation” trade status it granted Pakistan 20 years ago, on the grounds that Islamabad is yet to reciprocate the gesture.Pakistan won’t abandon its support for jihadist groups overnight, but at least India has begun to raise the costs of that support. Over time, this may force the Pakistani army to reconsider its policies. And if Washington wants New Delhi to play a more active role in East Asia, it can hardly expect elected Indian governments to ignore their most pressing security concerns at home.Mr. Modi has rejigged the old calculus that made stability in South Asia largely India’s responsibility. If the gamble pays off by eroding Pakistani support for jihadists, it will make South Asia a safer region and India a more valuable partner for the West.Mr. Dhume is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a columnist for WSJ.com. Note: American think-tanks accept the Indian version of the events. chewy and CG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 ^ p.s. Once a terrorist always a terrorist... this label will Haunt him forever... Modi getting a 'clean chit' from indian judiciary is as good as Hafiz saeed getting clean chit from Pak judiciary... Finer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Asim said: ^ p.s. Once a terrorist always a terrorist... this label will Haunt him forever... Modi getting a 'clean chit' from indian judiciary is as good as Hafiz saeed getting clean chit from Pak judiciary... The label has already come off and only agenda driven Islamist sympathizers will use it and that too, from Pakistan. As evidence suggests. Modi getting a clean chit is not the equivalent of Hafiz Saeed getting a clean chit, since your judicial system does not have the same level of integrity as the Indian one, owing to its subversion to the military. Read about your own damn nation's protocol for once. Modi getting clean chit >> Pakistani lacking the balls to try Yahya Khan for his genocidal crimes. Notice how you keep running away from an actual state head for state head comparison. You Pakistani lack balls to take on your military masters. Vilander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Zen and Mulog boss thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 6 hours ago, Asim said: ^ p.s. Once a terrorist always a terrorist... this label will Haunt him forever... Modi getting a 'clean chit' from indian judiciary is as good as Hafiz saeed getting clean chit from Pak judiciary... pakistan have judiciary ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Well explained video, no loud language, clear explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 ^ by: SADANAND DHUME okay. Finer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, Deucalion said: ^ by: SADANAND DHUME okay. Who is publishing on the Wall Steet Journal. Ie, Wall Street Journal officially endorses this article. You can try better Keyboardwarrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Who is publishing on the Wall Steet Journal. Ie, Wall Street Journal officially endorses this article. You can try better Keyboardwarrior. Ok thn. In Kashmir, doubts that Indian soldiers actually infiltrated across the border : WashingtonPost BANDALA, PAKISTAN — Villagers in three areas along the de facto border between Indian- and Pakistani-controlled Kashmir said this past week that they had fled their homes in fear after intense shelling and firing from the Indian side but that they did not believe India’s claim Thursday that it had sent armed troops to conduct late-night “surgical strikes” on militant targets there. In several dozen interviews, residents of the Bhimber, Chamb and Sahmani districts adjoining the Line of Control said they had been jarred from sleep by the barrage of firepower Wednesday. But none said they had seen or heard anything that supported India’s claim that it carried out cross-border strikes on several staging areas for militant groups that left “double digits” of militants dead. Pakistani officials have repeatedly denied India’s claims, saying that Indian troops only fired small arms across the Line of Control, killing two Pakistani soldiers. Tensions between the rival nuclear powers are at the highest level in a decade. Muhammad Bota, 40, a mason in this hillside village, said that his son woke him up shouting, “India has attacked!” and that the night was filled with noise. “We are used to routine shelling, but this was unending, with deafening sounds,” he said. “We believed it was the start of war, and I prayed for the safety of my family and recited all the Koran verses I could remember.” But Bota, like many other residents interviewed, said he did not see any signs of Indian troops attacking or crossing the fortified line less than a mile away. “All the villagers were up, and we didn’t see any troops from the other side or helicopters,” he said. “India says it killed militants here, but the people who live here know each other for generations. If there were some militants somewhere around, they couldn’t have gone undetected. This is all propaganda of India.” In Bhimber, a town several miles from the Line of Control, a store salesman named Mehran Younas Sheikh, 31, said that all schools and government offices had been shut down since the intensive firing started and that many people living close to the border had fled to the town. “It’s a very beautiful area,” Sheikh said of the region’s forested ridges of pine and birch, “but now one feels and witness the silence of death, apart from the crossfiring between the two armies during the night.” Hostilities between India and Pakistan, fanned by months of violent clashes between Indian troops and Kashmiri protesters, escalated sharply after Sept. 18, when 19 Indian soldiers died in what India said was an attack on their camp by militants who had infiltrated from Pakistan. Under domestic pressure to retaliate, the government of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced it had conducted a five-hour overnight paramilitary attack on several suspected terrorist camps, killing scores. Pakistan’s military claimed that it killed eight Indian soldiers in retaliatory fire and that two of its men had died when India shelled a border post in Sahmani. A cross-border strike by India would be the first major breach of the Line of Control it has publicly acknowledged in years of hostile but cautious relations with Pakistan. In the past it has avoided an overt provocation that could risk a wider conflict, while accusing Pakistan of harboring and supporting terrorist groups. In several villages, residents described fleeing quickly from the heavy late-night gunfire, many leaving their livestock and crops. Bashir Papra, 55, said his family decided to leave their home in Chamb because the Indian shelling “was so heavy we felt our whole village would come down.” Some residents said they were so exhausted by years of living with tension and fear that they would almost rather see the two countries fight it out. Muhammad Kurshid, 26, a Chamb resident, said he has faith in Pakistan’s military leaders to win in such a conflict. “You would think I am insane to want a war,” he said. “No, I am not, it’s just that we can’t spend a normal daily life.” In Sahmani, a verdant district along the Line of Control with army posts every few hundred yards, residents said they had a close view of activities along the border and described seeing the sky light up with shelling above a mountain ridge where Pakistani troops are stationed. “If anyone is moving on the mountain, we can see them easily from here,” said villager Faheem Ahmed, 48. “There was no activity of enemy troops on the mountain, which is the only way they can come.” Constable reported from Kabul. Annie Gowen in New Delhi contributed to this report. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/in-kashmir-doubts-that-indian-soldiers-actually-infiltrated-across-the-border/2016/10/02/cbf46cec-88ac-11e6-8cdc-4fbb1973b506_story.html Tell this "SirJiKal Strike" BS to your fellow countrymen. Ok Edited October 7, 2016 by Deucalion Finer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 ^^ We don't have to tell it to our countrymen. The whole world knows and as has been pointed out, the US government accepts India's version of the story. I will point out that strategic considerations dictate that Pakistani government deny this strike took place. Which suits us just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucalion Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) 10 hours ago, Muloghonto said: ^^ We don't have to tell it to our countrymen. The whole world knows and as has been pointed out, the US government accepts India's version of the story. I will point out that strategic considerations dictate that Pakistani government deny this strike took place. Which suits us just fine. changing the goal posts now ? ok thn, give me the statement of US state department on confirming your version of story. Edited October 7, 2016 by Deucalion Finer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 This surgical strike, besides causing shalwar soiling en masse in Pakjab, has brought out all the anti-national snakes out of their holes in India. Ek teer, anek nishaanein. You see, today Padosis are quoting CNN and BBC as evidence for the strikes being fake. Tomorrow, if CNN and BBC declare that the strikes did happen, Padosis will be the first to abuse and discredit them by calling them RAW-Yahoodi agents. I personally feel the govt will release the video close to or on the date when Raheel Sharif is supposed to retire. That will leave them in a right tactical mess. Laaloo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FischerTal Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 So on one hand, there was so much artillery shelling from Indian side that these PoK residents had to flee their villages immediately, but they stuck around long enough to see no Indian troops cross Loc, that too on a moonless night when operation was undertaken from 12-4 AM chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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