BCCI agrees to use DRS in England series

[bowl_out]

4 hours ago, Viper said:

That WC Final Yuvi and MS one  is just brilliant. 

Glad we are finally getting there with amount of blind umpires and bad decisions we are getting these days.. Hopefully same with ODIs and as well

 

 

The WC one Sehwag was so bad... Both Semis and Finals..

Wish we have less of such mindless DRS use and more of thoughtful contemplation of whether the review is really needed. 

[Vilander]

On 10/16/2016 at 2:58 PM, Texan said:

That is the ideal state and that could be available in the future when technology can make realtime decisions and the umpire in the middle is actually just a robot that conveys the same. We are not there yet. The way to look at this is that without DRS, even the first 3 decisions, which could potentially be howlers cannot be reviewed. At least with DRS, you have the cushion of challenging an obviously wrong decision. Remember Sydney 2008? How different could the result have been if we had the advantage of DRS.

guess thats true there is something against nothing and total chance with no DRS. But i dont understand the basis for 3 reviews is it umpiers ego ? or is ball tracking etc payed based on usage -- i dont think so. They dont want players to to just challenge umpires , ok but if it is wrong then DRS will prove any number of time then why worry. Unless the elite panel and icc do not like being challenged by mere players..

20 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

The WC one Sehwag was so bad... Both Semis and Finals..

Wish we have less of such mindless DRS use and more of thoughtful contemplation of whether the review is really needed. 

Guess this answers in part as to why there is only 3 reviews. if Harbhajan singh/sreesanth type angry players review everytime then there will be lots of interruption, may be they want to restrict it for commercial aspects. 

[mishra]

Big news! 

In cricket a out decision is massive.  common sense says , automatically review it

[Sajid_Rana]

Tendulkar did not wanted to use DRS. With him retiring long ago,I dont know why it took so long for BCCI to accept DRS. This also means no more easy wickets for Ashwin.

[New guy]

37 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said:

Tendulkar did not wanted to use DRS. With him retiring long ago,I dont know why it took so long for BCCI to accept DRS. This also means no more easy wickets for Ashwin.

 

37 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said:

Tendulkar did not wanted to use DRS. With him retiring long ago,I dont know why it took so long for BCCI to accept DRS. This also means no more easy wickets for Ashwin.

Tendulkar had openly come out in support of DRS

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/797187.html

12 hours ago, Vilander said:

guess thats true there is something against nothing and total chance with no DRS. But i dont understand the basis for 3 reviews is it umpiers ego ? or is ball tracking etc payed based on usage -- i dont think so. They dont want players to to just challenge umpires , ok but if it is wrong then DRS will prove any number of time then why worry. Unless the elite panel and icc do not like being challenged by mere players..

Guess this answers in part as to why there is only 3 reviews. if Harbhajan singh/sreesanth type angry players review everytime then there will be lots of interruption, may be they want to restrict it for commercial aspects. 

Challenging every review will make the game double the length

[Asim]

so what has Changed NOW?

[New guy]

Just now, Asim said:

so what has Changed NOW?

This article explains what changed and how BCCI's demands were met

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1062671.html

[Laaloo]

48 minutes ago, Sajid_Rana said:

Tendulkar did not wanted to use DRS. With him retiring long ago,I dont know why it took so long for BCCI to accept DRS. This also means no more easy wickets for Ashwin.

He opposed it at first and then came around and started to support it if it was tweaked a bit. Of course, you wont be able to comprehend that.

[Asim]

6 minutes ago, New guy said:

This article explains what changed and how BCCI's demands were met

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1062671.html

Wow, "Technology has gone 100% Accurate" ah Finalllyyy...

Edited October 22, 2016 by Asim

[express bowling]

The  " hot spot "  and  " snickometer "  are very good tools.

 

Checking no balls and the 3rd umpire looking at replays are also good.

 

The " tramline " drawn on the pitch  is  very helpful.

 

BUT

 

The " Ball Trajectory Tracker "  is   far  from  being reasonably accurate despite despite  higher number of frames used.  Seeing many dubious  decisions based on this.

 

DRS  should be  used  without this ..... with multiple replays seen by the 3rd umpire, with " tramline "  drawn , deciding whether the ball is hitting the stumps.....till the time the trajectory tracker becomes reasonably accurate.

 

4 referrals  per innings  per side should be  there instead of 2.    Just  2 referrals  are not enough as umpires make more mistakes per innings.

 

Regarding referrals by umpires......The  "  Soft Signal "  by the  on-field umpire needs to go.   It  makes no sense and is  resulting in wrong decisions by the 3rd umpire.  The 3rd umpire should ask for the on-field umpire's view only when he is not sure after seeing the replays.

Edited October 22, 2016 by express bowling

[New guy]

27 minutes ago, Asim said:

Wow, "Technology has gone 100% Accurate" ah Finalllyyy...

"Reasonably" accurate was what they wanted

[Asim]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

"Reasonably" accurate was what they wanted

So basically they wanted what they already had and so now they have accepted DRS because they got what they already had

Edited October 22, 2016 by Asim

[New guy]

1 hour ago, Asim said:

So basically they wanted what they already had and so now they have accepted DRS because they got what they already had

 

1 hour ago, Asim said:

So basically they wanted what they already had and so now they have accepted DRS because they got what they already had

This is what the article states

 

" During the 2011 World Cup, the frame rate of Hawk-Eye's cameras was 50 to 75 frames per second. Hawk-Eye's ultra-motion cameras recorded images at a faster rate in 2013, and their current ball-tracking cameras record images at 340 frames per second. "

 

How is that something they already had? Thats like a 5 to 7 times improvement in technology. That's like going from a nokia 3300 to an Iphone 7

[SLICKR392]

19 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

This is what the article states

 

" During the 2011 World Cup, the frame rate of Hawk-Eye's cameras was 50 to 75 frames per second. Hawk-Eye's ultra-motion cameras recorded images at a faster rate in 2013, and their current ball-tracking cameras record images at 340 frames per second. "

 

How is that something they already had? Thats like a 5 to 7 times improvement in technology. That's like going from a nokia 3300 to an Iphone 7

Don't think he gets what that means. 

[rkt.india]

53 minutes ago, New guy said:

 

This is what the article states

 

" During the 2011 World Cup, the frame rate of Hawk-Eye's cameras was 50 to 75 frames per second. Hawk-Eye's ultra-motion cameras recorded images at a faster rate in 2013, and their current ball-tracking cameras record images at 340 frames per second. "

 

How is that something they already had? Thats like a 5 to 7 times improvement in technology. That's like going from a nokia 3300 to an Iphone 7

more apt will be Iphone 3g first gen to Iphone 7.

[CG]

Drs aim was reduce howlers but now it is used for margin calls like lbw which created problems .

[Asim]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

 

This is what the article states

 

" During the 2011 World Cup, the frame rate of Hawk-Eye's cameras was 50 to 75 frames per second. Hawk-Eye's ultra-motion cameras recorded images at a faster rate in 2013, and their current ball-tracking cameras record images at 340 frames per second. "

 

How is that something they already had? Thats like a 5 to 7 times improvement in technology. That's like going from a nokia 3300 to an Iphone 7

 

2 hours ago, SLICKR392 said:

Don't think he gets what that means. 

 

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

more apt will be Iphone 3g first gen to Iphone 7.

 

 

6 hours ago, New guy said:

"Reasonably" accurate was what they wanted

BCCI has always maintained a stance of not using DRS unless Technology does not go 100% ACCURATE (instead of defending, u can simply check their stance) and everyone else was like "lol what?"...

 

What indian fans believe has changed:

Frames per second :) these fps and other similar justifications are as good as nothing (because these improvisations were anyways going to happen and will keep getting evolved/revised whether or not you adopt).

 

what actually has Changed:

BCCI, after taking good 5,6,7 Years have finally accepted some basic common-sense that probably this technology Never going to be 100.00% accurate and the system we already had is at least good to remove major errors which every other board in world did realized right since Day-1 of DRS...

 

Edited October 22, 2016 by Asim

[Asim]

28.1

Yasir Shah to Bravo, OUT, massive appeal, not given. That looked very very close. Misbah reviews. A flat delivery on middle and leg, spins in and beats Bravo's pull. Only doubt is height. Struck him on middle and leg too. Bravo crouches in his pull. This could get very close. The flatter trajectory was responsible for Bravo thinking he can pull but the ball wasn't nearly short enough. Umpire Gough will have to change his decision because that is hitting halfway up middle and leg. That looked plumb. Bravo is distraught, was looking rather comfortable. A lot of replays to check if there was an inside edge, but the position of the seam did not change, so no bat.

 

28.2

Yasir Shah to Samuels, no run, two in two? Umpire Gough gives him this time. The flatter delivery. Samuels reviews. Definitely bat, was it pad first? Samuels gets forward to defend the full delivery. Replays show that the bat may have been first to the ball, before the pad. Even though the bat was tucked behind the pad, somehow he has managed to get the upper half of his bat towards the ball. Two in two overturned.

 

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You got to be plain stupid to not adopt this system and demand for 100% accuracy and waste 5,7 years in foolish demands but I'm equally surprised at indian fans who have kept defending BCCI throughout...

[Malcolm Merlyn]

28.1 Yasir Shah to Bravo, OUT, massive appeal, not given. That looked very very close. Misbah reviews. A flat delivery on middle and leg, spins in and beats Bravo's pull. Only doubt is height. Struck him on middle and leg too. Bravo crouches in his pull. This could get very close. The flatter trajectory was responsible for Bravo thinking he can pull but the ball wasn't nearly short enough. Umpire Gough will have to change his decision because that is hitting halfway up middle and leg. That looked plumb. Bravo is distraught, was looking rather comfortable. A lot of replays to check if there was an inside edge, but the position of the seam did not change, so no bat.

 

28.2 Yasir Shah to Samuels, no run, two in two? Umpire Gough gives him this time. The flatter delivery. Samuels reviews. Definitely bat, was it pad first? Samuels gets forward to defend the full delivery. Replays show that the bat may have been first to the ball, before the pad. Even though the bat was tucked behind the pad, somehow he has managed to get the upper half of his bat towards the ball. Two in two overturned.

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You got to be plain stupid to not adopt this system and demand for 100% accuracy and waste 5,7 years in foolish demands but I'm equally surprised at indian fans who have kept defending BCCI throughout...

Its BCCIs wish what they want.Pakistani fans cant dictate to BCCI what they should do.And Pak and India dont play so anyway Pakistani are not a party here.

Having said that BCCI has every right to not use a system that is flawed and is subject to manual input and operator error.

BCCI has always maintained a stance of not using DRS unless Technology does not go 100% ACCURATE (instead of defending, u can simply check their stance) and everyone else was like "lol what?"...

 

What indian fans believe has changed:

Frames per second :) these fps and other similar justifications are as good as nothing (because these improvisations were anyways going to happen and will keep getting evolved/revised whether or not you adopt).

 

what actually has Changed:

BCCI, after taking good 5,6,7 Years have finally accepted some basic common-sense that probably this technology Never going to be 100.00% accurate and the system we already had is at least good to remove major errors which every other board in world did realized right since Day-1 of DRS...

 

What has happened is Hawk Eye is now automated and free from operator. interference.

[Asim]

1 minute ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

Its BCCIs wish what they want.Pakistani fans cant dictate to BCCI what they should do.And Pak and India dont play so anyway Pakistani are not a party here.

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Thanks for reminding, Im out