Parthiv Patel in third test?

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Texan said:

So you wanted the worst keeper to have kept for India in the last 20 years?

Karthik is better than PP.

[Vijy]

Just now, rkt.india said:

U19 guys play 3-day games in Cooch Behar trophy. So 4-day game isn't something big when they are already playing 3-day games.

No, they are not... but there's a diff between Indian 4-day FC and International 5-day cricket (against Eng) in terms of quality - have a feeling selectors wanted someone with international experience, i.e. choice between DK, Pappy and Ojha. Latter is probably coming off injury (and a poor tour of Aus with Ind A). And it's clear why DK was not selected. So, that left only Pap.

[rkt.india]

9 hours ago, sandeep said:

Dead wrong.  Stop spouting personal opinions as if they were facts.  What makes him the best 'Keeper-bat in the country?  No question he's got an excellent track record while batting in this half of the ranji season, but that doesn't mean that he's a great wicket-keeper.  All the fans salivating over his batting potential are just ready to gamble on his wicket-keeping sight unseen.  

 

The primary job of the keeper we need for Mohali is to keep wickets well - there is absolutely zero evidence that Panth is quality behind the stumps with the red ball in the long form of the game.  Parthiv Patel has done the job with the gloves behind the stumps for multiple FC seasons - ostensibly well enough to get the chance for this game.  That *has* to count for something.  If anyone should feel like they missed out, its "KKDK".

We are already gambling on Parthiv and probably you can't find a worse specialist keeper than him.

[rkt.india]

41 minutes ago, Vijy said:

No, they are not... but there's a diff between Indian 4-day FC and International 5-day cricket (against Eng) in terms of quality - have a feeling selectors wanted someone with international experience, i.e. choice between DK, Pappy and Ojha. Latter is probably coming off injury (and a poor tour of Aus with Ind A). And it's clear why DK was not selected. So, that left only Pap.

My reply was to post where he said they are not used to playing 4-day games. Obviously, quality and pressure is different. He will always be under pressure whenever he makes his debut. There are no non-pressure games in India Colors. The beauty of our domestic cricket from junior levels is focus on days games and they play plenty of that, so, they are used to playing long days. 

Edited November 24, 2016 by rkt.india

[Texan]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Karthik is better than PP.

Karthik is not better than PP. In any case, that is like picking between whether the 18th or the 19th place finisher was better in a 20 man race.

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, Texan said:

Karthik is not better than PP. In any case, that is like picking between whether the 18th or the 19th place finisher was better in a 20 man race.

I feel that they are both really bad keepers, slightly worse than Kakmal.

[Texan]

12 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I feel that they are both really bad keepers, slightly worse than Kakmal.

I actually had Akmal at 20th place in that race.

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, Texan said:

I actually had Akmal at 20th place in that race.

Lol.

[vvvslaxman]

12 hours ago, fineleg said:

Didnt pappu drop catches/stumpings off Kumble in 2004 Aus series? Kumble didnt have a say in this pick by msk prasad?

I am sharing this article umpteenth time here 12 year old article. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/142856.html

[diga]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I am sharing this article umpteenth time here 12 year old article. http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/142856.html

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We recently culled some stats from our ball-by-ball records, and they looked alarming: including this Test, his 19th, Patel has missed 23 chances, and conceded 176 byes, costing India a total of 675 runs ... 38 more than he has scored. This is a simplistic calculation, of course, because all keepers miss catches and stumpings, and sometimes the reprieved batsmen go on to put up huge scores. But with Patel catches, rather than being routine, are beginning to become an exception. That's a clear signal to let go.

nice share and a valid point from the article

[diga]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/143058.html

One more article from 2004 when Ind A coach Sandeep Patil recommended Karthik over Dhoni ... 

[jalebi_bhai]

Is Pappu Patel still the brand ambassador for Complan?

[Vijy]

21 minutes ago, diga said:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/143058.html

One more article from 2004 when Ind A coach Sandeep Patil recommended Karthik over Dhoni ... 

It's been a while since then - don't know how the latest Pappu and DK skills stack up.

[Cricketics]

4 minutes ago, Vijy said:

It's been a while since then - don't know how the latest Pappu and DK skills stack up.

Yes, he has certainly improved from that time for sure as in 2004 he really sucked. I and plenty of people should have seen him keep a lot after that as he has played plenty of cricket which has been televised in last 10 years. He was too young back in 02-04, and that is something we should remind people here about Pant, that Pant could be similar Parthiv style keeper, just may be a better batsman, who might struggle against spin bowlers early in his career.

 

Parthiv got better, but I don't know honestly right now how good he is, but I don't think he can do any worse than 2004 tour. I think he will do alright. May be just about enough to even keep Saha out of the series?

[Vijy]

36 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Yes, he has certainly improved from that time for sure as in 2004 he really sucked. I and plenty of people should have seen him keep a lot after that as he has played plenty of cricket which has been televised in last 10 years. He was too young back in 02-04, and that is something we should remind people here about Pant, that Pant could be similar Parthiv style keeper, just may be a better batsman, who might struggle against spin bowlers early in his career.

 

Parthiv got better, but I don't know honestly right now how good he is, but I don't think he can do any worse than 2004 tour. I think he will do alright. May be just about enough to even keep Saha out of the series?

Saha will be back (like the Terminator).

[rkt.india]

59 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Yes, he has certainly improved from that time for sure as in 2004 he really sucked. I and plenty of people should have seen him keep a lot after that as he has played plenty of cricket which has been televised in last 10 years. He was too young back in 02-04, and that is something we should remind people here about Pant, that Pant could be similar Parthiv style keeper, just may be a better batsman, who might struggle against spin bowlers early in his career.

 

Parthiv got better, but I don't know honestly right now how good he is, but I don't think he can do any worse than 2004 tour. I think he will do alright. May be just about enough to even keep Saha out of the series?

Parthiv kept for India last in that 2008 test series when DHoni took a break, that is known as Mendis series and he was pretty poor behind the stumps.

[Vijy]

21 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Parthiv kept for India last in that 2008 test series when DHoni took a break, that is known as Mendis series and he was pretty poor behind the stumps.

Always been poor - just remains to be seen how much so

[Soorma_Bhopali]

30 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Always been poor - just remains to be seen how much so

I remember when he was picked for E ngland series as a boyish 17 year old and ahead of fine glovemen like Mongia or Dahiya . Newspapers were gushing about his ability to keep and if you see his first few test recordings, commentators said that his glove work was natural and classic.  At that time , It did seem like he would serve India for a long time. 

 

I think the onset of Adam Gilchrist around the same time forced keepers like him, who were still developing, to emphasize more on having their batting creap up and average 40+ and led to decline in his keeping .

 

BTW, if Parthiv Patel has a bad stomach or god forbid, any injury on the eve of Mohali test, who will they turn to ? 

[Vijy]

12 minutes ago, Soorma_Bhopali said:

I remember when he was picked for E ngland series as a boyish 17 year old and ahead of fine glovemen like Mongia or Dahiya . Newspapers were gushing about his ability to keep and if you see his first few test recordings, commentators said that his glove work was natural and classic.  At that time , It did seem like he would serve India for a long time. 

 

I think the onset of Adam Gilchrist around the same time forced keepers like him, who were still developing, to emphasize more on having their batting creap up and average 40+ and led to decline in his keeping .

 

BTW, if Parthiv Patel has a bad stomach or god forbid, any injury on the eve of Mohali test, who will they turn to ? 

KL Rahul for 1 test.

[vishalvirsingh]

Parthiv is a Good batsman.

 

But  he is kinda a Dwarf...too short for international cricket...his keeping will have limitations because of this.

against pace bowlers practically in every over once a keeper has to dive and collect-- his reach is too short.

keepers like gilly took catches that were not just going to first slip but some times even further...

I feel against pacers specially genuine fast bowlers one needs a very good keeper and I feel karthik/parthiv/even DHoni are not good keeper..even saha dropped a chance.

 

I am telling you before the TEST Match it self.. u just watch the keeping , u will find him finding it difficult to keep to Umesh /shammi and ISHANT will be too TUF to keep for the Dwarf Parthiv.

I am sorry for calling him dwarf ..he is just short.