Jaddu (batting) can be useful down the order - if brainfarts avoided

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, rahulrulezz said:

I have always maintained that a circus trainer can make lion act like a monkey after everydays training. And similarly, the same trainer can make a monkey act like a lion

 

Jadeja is that case of a being a monkey. The amount of chances he got by Dhoni, and with all the facilities and resources of BCCI, Jadeja is that monkey who once in a while perform like a lion. Offcourse after 200 international games, you are bound to perform once in a while. 

 

Kuldeep is a better batsman, bowler than Jadeja

Don't jump to conclusions.  Golu Kuldeep looks like he's at best, only marginally fitter than Ramesh Powar.  Don't get me wrong, I'm very excited about Kuldeep as a prospect.  I would love to see him play at least one test against OZ, and I thought he should have debuted against England in these 6 LOI games.  

 

But Jaddu is a gun bowler in tests, and a very reliable bowler and fielder in ODIs.  Just because his batting underwhelms, especially in contrast to expectations, shouldn't diminish his bowling value to the team.  

[kosingh]

14 hours ago, rahulrulezz said:

You guys act as if he is a actually a hard hitter. The guy can't hit to save his life. After playing 39 international t20s, his strike rate is 88 in t20. Even Attapatu would be ashamed of this strike rate. The guy has played 127 Odis, and only scored 1 match winning fifty. 

 

The fact is he is just a economical bowler who can field well. Kuldeep Yadav is a better bet IMO

Jaddu himself acts as if he is a hard hitter.

 

He isn't. Nothing more frustrating that a lower middle order who isn't a hard hitter and who has brain farts a plenty. 

 

Thankfully he is a good bowler, especially in India. But I never have all-rounder delusions from him. If he occasionally does something with the bat, ok. Bonus.  

[King Tendulkar]

9 hours ago, tweaker said:

Jadeja should be dropped for his irresponsible shots,If he is given shock maybe he can learn

Gavsakar as skipper also dropped Kapil Dev on the basis of one bad shot lol

[BeautifulGame]

Jadeja should be dropped for his irresponsible shots,If he is given shock maybe he can learn

Every spinner yesterday was taken to cleaners at 7 an over and none took a wicket .Except Jadeja who went for just 5 an over (in a match where 700 was scored ) and took out opposition's best batsman .

And he should be dropped for a poor shot ? Don't be that fickle .

[BeautifulGame]

Gavsakar as skipper also dropped Kapil Dev on the basis of one bad shot lol

There was lot more politics behind that than that crap excuse given by Gavaskar

[King Tendulkar]

Just now, BeautifulGame said:

There was lot more politics behind that than that crap excuse given by Gavaskar

That's why they hate each other 

[maniac]

Still a mystery to me how Jadeja made it as one of the best test bowlers in the world,but his ODI bowling is very very useful but it is a joke to call him an allrounder at any level.....decent lower order batsman at best who can hold one end when there is a collapse but his LOI batting is atrocious.

[putrevus]

Are his triples hundreds real, to score three triple hundreds is not a joke at any level. But reality is he no better than a no 10 in international level.His SR is atrocious for a batsmen with such low average.

[fineleg]

11 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Are his triples hundreds real, to score three triple hundreds is not a joke at any level. But reality is he no better than a no 10 in international level.His SR is atrocious for a batsmen with such low average.

Yes even if pitch patta and easy bowlers, he needs to bat some hours to score 300, and three times 300. Maybe he has gotten lazy (batting) now.

[putrevus]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

have you seen domestic bowling 

 

it does not matter how atrociously incompetent the bowling he faced was when scored those three triple hundreds.To score triple hundred you need to face more three hundred balls and the Mohali 90 was the first time he had faced over 100 balls in an innings at international.He was acts like cat on hot tin roof which does not match the profile of a batsman who has ability to stay at the crease long enough in any format in any level.

Jadav debuted in this test series but he gave more confidence than Jadeja ever did in his whole career.

Edited January 16, 2017 by putrevus

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

back then he was trying to be a batsman who bowls now he is more of a bowler who bats ,but his natural instinct is to be impatient and specially in the death overs he becomes more impatient under pressure ,at least in 1stclass and tests the atmosphere and pace of the match can calm him down 

But he was jumpy ever since he debuted and he scored 2 triples after he got dropped first time  from India team in 2011 if I am not wrong.He never looks assured, Pandya was so calm.There was absolutely no need to do anything silly yesterday all he needed was take singles and rotate but nope this guy had to play moronic shot to get out.

 

Afridi looked more secure than this guy and that should say it all.

[BeautifulGame]

But he was jumpy ever since he debuted and he scored 2 triples after he got dropped first time  from India team in 2011 if I am not wrong.He never looks assured, Pandya was so calm.There was absolutely no need to do anything silly yesterday all he needed was take singles and rotate but nope this guy had to play moronic shot to get out.

 

Afridi looked more secure than this guy and that should say it all.

Even Pandya wasn't calm yesterday initially.Pandya played some awful shots and was lucky not to get out.He was running like a headless chicken till the end .

But to his credit ,he got settled down after initial jittery played sensibly in his shot selection.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Even Pandya wasn't calm yesterday initially.Pandya played some awful shots and was lucky not to get out.He was running like a headless chicken till the end .

But to his credit ,he got settled down after initial jittery played sensibly in his shot selection.

Initially Pandya was jittery which is common to great batsmen too but he settled down later where as you never get that sense with Jadeja .It is not like this guy has ability to launch sixes at will. Afridi did win matches on his own with his bat especially earlier in his career. Afridi really had ability to launch sixes which this guy does not possess.Unless he is the main wicket taker I do not think he should be persisted in odis.He is ineffective away from home any how

[King Tendulkar]

How quickly forget those glorious knocks v England . The magical sword wielding celebrations 

 

was that not finally sign of improvement ? 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Lower order of Hardik, Sir, Ashwin/Axar, Bhuvi/Umesh, Bumrah/Shami looks pretty solid for late-order finishes like the first ODI.  It is the MO of Yuvraj&Dhoni that is worrisome. 

Edited January 17, 2017 by coffee_rules

[sandeep]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Lower order of Hardik, Sir, Ashwin/Axar, Bhuvi/Umesh, Bumrah/Shami looks pretty solid for late-order finishes like the first ODI.  It is the MO of Yuvraj&Dhoni that is worrisome. 

With the likes of Pandey, Jadhav, Nair, KL Rahul waiting in the wings, middle order is a solvable problem, if not necessarily in the short term.  For me, looking down the road to WC 2019, its KL Rahul, Hardik Pandya, and a spinner who can be effective in England ODIs - whether that's Kuldeep or Chahal - these 3 are the prospects that I see as key to India's chances.  These 3 along with Shami will decide how far we go in that tournament.  

[sandeep]

16 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

How quickly forget those glorious knocks v England . The magical sword wielding celebrations 

 

was that not finally sign of improvement ? 

 

 

Sir's hawa-hawa-ii  shots have a greater likelihood for success in tests, but more likely to be caught in the deep in ODIs.  Ghud-Savaar needs to improve his placement skills so he can take those 1s and 2s without taking undue risks.  Until he does that, he will always be a hit-or-miss tailender in ODIs. 

[express bowling]

Jadeja is a must for test matches in Asia.... top bowler and recently improved batsman.

 

But....in LOIs, Axar is a better batsman and a similar bowler.  Will probably replace  Jaddu after CT17 in LOIs.

Edited January 17, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

9 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Lower order of Hardik, Sir, Ashwin/Axar, Bhuvi/Umesh, Bumrah/Shami looks pretty solid for late-order finishes like the first ODI.  It is the MO of Yuvraj&Dhoni that is worrisome. 

After CT17, we may see this type of team.....Rohit, Pant, Kohli,   Rahul / Pandey,    Nair / Kishan ,   Jadhav, Pandya, Axar. Kuldeep, Nathu / Sran, Bumrah....with Ashwin and Shami rested when test matches are around the corner.

 

Some rotation policy maybe tried to test out more new players.

 

This may solve our middle-order problems.

Edited January 17, 2017 by express bowling

[BeautifulGame]

Jadeja is a must for test matches in Asia.... top bowler and recently improved batsman.

 

But....in LOIs, Axar is a better batsman and a similar bowler.  Will probably replace  Jaddu after CT17 in LOIs.

Axar is nowhere near as good as Jadeja in batting bowling or fielding .

Axar is pretty much the description of meddling cricketer not good enough in either discipline.

Even in the last Newzealand series where wickets were helpful for spinners he averaged 47