What target can we defend in 4th innings ?

[King Tendulkar]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

i am not entirely sure if Mukund is better than Vijay.

Why on earth is Vijay slot in even slightly under doubt is beyond me

[Vilander]

6 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Why on earth is Vijay slot in even slightly under doubt is beyond me

I used to think the same, but did you see him bat in the first two innings ? shell of his self. Just bats defensively but gets our silly, may be he might have come good may be not but Mukund is  struggling.

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Pitch is not flattening out.  Lyon fingers just got tired and stopped imparting as many revs.  Plus our batters just played him so much better.  This effect gave the effect pitch had flattened out when it in fact has detroiated more

 

A bit like when we had fab batting line up with Sachin et al.  Comms would say pitch is flat when our boys batted on it, as soon as other team batted was suddenly a land mine lol

how i wish that is true, man i miss those days. I used to think winning at home is nothing anyone can do it and batting against spin is super easy as it is slow bowling and Indian spinners are super special to get other team wickets etc..lol Then those guys got old everything unraveled pretty quickly

[King Tendulkar]

22 minutes ago, Vilander said:

I used to think the same, but did you see him bat in the first two innings ? shell of his self. Just bats defensively but gets our silly, may be he might have come good may be not but Mukund is  struggling.

I need a bigger sample size then 1 match to drop a player 

 

he has been excellent for a while now . Particularly overseas 

[King Tendulkar]

20 minutes ago, Vilander said:

how i wish that is true, man i miss those days. I used to think winning at home is nothing anyone can do it and batting against spin is super easy as it is slow bowling and Indian spinners are super special to get other team wickets etc..lol Then those guys got old everything unraveled pretty quickly

Pujara making the difference here . If he can just be there till lunch and beyond 

[BeautifulGame]

33 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Pitch is not flattening out.  Lyon fingers just got tired and stopped imparting as many revs.  Plus our batters just played him so much better.  This effect gave the effect pitch had flattened out when it in fact has detroiated more

 

A bit like when we had fab batting line up with Sachin et al.  Comms would say pitch is flat when our boys batted on it, as soon as other team batted was suddenly a land mine lol

Both Pujara and Rahul post match said pitch has become much easier to bat on.

[King Tendulkar]

Just now, BeautifulGame said:

Both Pujara and Rahul post match said pitch has become much easier to bat on.

We will see ....

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, 0zero said:

Pitch did play better today as Rahul mentioned in post match interview.  However, hoping it will be detoriating starting tomorrow like how 4th & 5th day pitches are.

We need to bat 2 session tomorrow and I feel we can win.

250+ needed

pitch played better even yesterday. Only the first day, it was weird due to moisutre and cracks.

[rkt.india]

23 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

Both Pujara and Rahul post match said pitch has become much easier to bat on.

Pitch was easier to bat on even yesterday. It has not become much different than it was yesterday. They are comparing how it played when they batted in the first innings to how it was in their 2nd innings. That said, it still had a lot for Lyon and uneven bounce for pacers. lots of shooters that Indian batsmen had to cope with.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Have a feeling pitch is flattening out plus Ashwin is clearly not 100% fit due to sports hernia. Anything below 250 Aussies will romp home easily. We need to bat 2 sessions tomorrow. 

Today's pitch was very much similar to how it played yesterday. Only first day first two hours were real bad due to a bit of dampness. It still had a lot for Lyon and variable bounce for seamers. It will only get worse as the game progresses.

[speedheat]

300 please

[G_B_]

1 hour ago, King Tendulkar said:

Pitch is not flattening out.  Lyon fingers just got tired and stopped imparting as many revs.  Plus our batters just played him so much better.  This effect gave the effect pitch had flattened out when it in fact has detroiated more

 

A bit like when we had fab batting line up with Sachin et al.  Comms would say pitch is flat when our boys batted on it, as soon as other team batted was suddenly a land mine lol

agree.

 

 

[NareshK]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

 

Have a feeling pitch is flattening out plus Ashwin is clearly not 100% fit due to sports hernia. Anything below 250 Aussies will romp home easily. We need to bat 2 sessions tomorrow. 

 

 

Lyon was still getting a lot of purchase in the early part of the innings though. Lot of deliveries turned square, some went straight, some kept low, some bounced and at one point, he looked like taking a wicket every over.

 

In post tea session, I thought he didnt hit the right lengths where as in 1st innings he was right on the money. Maybe he was tired after bowling in the 1st innings or maybe the pressure of India getting the lead factored into it. Or maybe Indian batsmen just applied themselves better and he tried to do different things which reduced his effectiveness.

 

So I wouldnt necessarily say it has become easier for batting. Perhaps a bit compared to 1st day as mentioned by Rahul because of moisture but it will only get worse from here.

 

Pitches in India dont become easier for batting like they do in Aus, SA or Eng where the moisture in wicket gets dried and becomes good for batting. These types of pitches are already dry and deteriorating from day 1 and will only get worse with time, unless you roll out a complete patta wicket.

Edited March 6, 2017 by NareshK

[Ultimate_Game]

Need to score 150 more at least to set a target of 270+. Ideally a target of 300+ would be preferable.

[Gollum]

56 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Today's pitch was very much similar to how it played yesterday. Only first day first two hours were real bad due to a bit of dampness. It still had a lot for Lyon and variable bounce for seamers. It will only get worse as the game progresses.

But we have only 4 bowlers out of which one is presumably injured and unfortunately he is our go to guy and a certified match winner. Without Ash at his best, the task will be steep. Hope he can summon the courage for one final performance(hopefully this entire series) and rest during IPL. Moreover Aussies are high on confidence and have been very lucky up until now. We need a rub of luck going our way the next 2 days. 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

But we have only 4 bowlers out of which one is presumably injured and unfortunately he is our go to guy and a certified match winner. Without Ash at his best, the task will be steep. Hope he can summon the courage for one final performance(hopefully this entire series) and rest during IPL. Moreover Aussies are high on confidence and have been very lucky up until now. We need a rub of luck going our way the next 2 days. 

I doubt any player would sit out of IPL coz if they sit out thy lose the contract payout. Maybe BCCI needs to have safeguards in place that if a player is medically unfit, his contract would be paid by BCCI so player doesn't miss out economically.

[Gollum]

10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I doubt any player would sit out of IPL coz if they sit out thy lose the contract payout. Maybe BCCI needs to have safeguards in place that if a player is medically unfit, his contract would be paid by BCCI so player doesn't miss out economically.

I think Shami was compensated by BCCI last year for missing IPL after he had played with injury for India prior to the league.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/mohammad-shami-gets-rs-2-2-crore-for-loss-of-pay-in-ipl-2015-2907145/

Ashwin should also be compensated like Shami was and be allowed to recuperate. It is high time BCCI takes care of our bowlers if India is to become a dominant test side at home and acceptable overseas. 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

I think Shami was compensated by BCCI last year for missing IPL after he had played with injury for India prior to the league.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/mohammad-shami-gets-rs-2-2-crore-for-loss-of-pay-in-ipl-2015-2907145/

Ashwin should also be compensated like Shami was and be allowed to recuperate. It is high time BCCI takes care of our bowlers if India is to become a dominant test side at home and acceptable overseas. 

BCCI has to step in and force some of the players to sit out coz you can't expect players to make that call. I would like to see Kohli sit out as well given the way he has played continuously across all formats for the last year. No point in burning out your stars or at the very least make them sit out first half of IPL.

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

i am not entirely sure if Mukund is better than Vijay.

lol he's not

[Laaloo]

53 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Need to score 150 more at least to set a target of 270+. Ideally a target of 300+ would be preferable.

That's a long long away. An early wicket and we will struggle to set up a score of 170