Why don’t teams pick an 11 they think will win the game ?

[Vk1]

I think it's time that we make sense into how we select batting squads for overseas. Other  teams sometimes tend to pick players who use their feet and play spin well when coming to subcontinent. Why don't we do the same when going to white lands.  

It's  typical for white men to bring below average spinners to subcontinent expecting turners and these guys do well too at times. The aussie leftie against us in Pune. 

We pick tall muscular guys to get some bounce like vrv Singh.

 

Now, we all could foretell Dhawan and rohits inability on these pitches. Even Kohli is not sure on such pitches.

 

Now how do we know who plays swing and bounce well? What yardsticks to test this. Should we specifically play few matches every year in Dharmshala or Eden gardens and check?  

With all the money in the game, can't we do it more professionally ? Bring soil or drop in pitches  etc.. all this will encourage bowlers too.

 

Edited January 7, 2018 by Vk1

[Nonbeliever]

On the contrary we are inviting mighty Lankans to justify the selections of chuddy buddy gang.

[Rasgulla]

This is how it should be..

 

1. Vijay

2. 

3. Pujara

4. Kohli

5. Rahane (Overseas only) Can't play spin

6. Pandya 

7. Saha ( Till we find a WK who can bat)

4 Bowlers 

 

Just need someone to fill that opening spot.. 

 

What we get....

 

Vijay

Dhawan (Buddy quota)

Pujara 

Kohli

Rohit (Buddy quota)

Pandya

Saha

4 Bowlers

 

 

 

[Giant Tissue Box]

Don't like that idea. 

 

Select your best 6 batsmen. They should learn and experience how to play in conditions. Otherwise how can they improve. 

[jf1gp_1]

So the recommendation is drop kohli for england series and bring him back for australian series ?

[Straight Drive]

SA see lenge 25 saal ka hissab.

 

My bad. 26th year is worse than the 25 years.

[jusarrived]

You cannot pick a batsmen for only certain conditions . I would give a little more weightage for some one who can adapt well and persist with him . Not like you should completely ignore home records , but it's a fact that we can accommodate a batsmen or two who are not great at home , which is pretty rare anyway . What we defiantly cannot afford is 2 or 3 batsmen who clearly suck when pitch is not flat , it doesn't matter if these guys score at 150sr or average 100 at home , cos these stats are useless for us as week win at home anyway .

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, Vk1 said:

I think it's time that we make sense into how we select batting squads for overseas. Other  teams sometimes tend to pick players who use their feet and play spin well when coming to subcontinent. Why don't we do the same when going to white lands.  

It's  typical for white men to bring below average spinners to subcontinent expecting turners and these guys do well too at times. The aussie leftie against us in Pune. 

We pick tall muscular guys to get some bounce like vrv Singh.

 

Now, we all could foretell Dhawan and rohits inability on these pitches. Even Kohli is not sure on such pitches.

 

Now how do we know who plays swing and bounce well? What yardsticks to test this. Should we specifically play few matches every year in Dharmshala or Eden gardens and check?  

With all the money in the game, can't we do it more professionally ? Bring soil or drop in pitches  etc.. all this will encourage bowlers too.

 

Kohli not sure on such pitches 

[chewy]

Not just batsmen but need to think about bowlers

 

India will always struggle to win in SA or Aus without an out-out extreme pace bowler (average 145kph peak at 150kph) 

 

These bowlers don’t need to play every game, but used sparingly on pitches conducive to bounce and pace. 

 

[CG]

Not just batsmen but need to think about bowlers
 
India will always struggle to win in SA or Aus without an out-out extreme pace bowler (average 145kph peak at 150kph) 
 
These bowlers don’t need to play every game, but used sparingly on pitches conducive to bounce and pace. 
 

That's Bs.India Has 3 bowlers who are 90mph.You have only starc who is 150 in world currently.

[chewy]

2 hours ago, CG said:

2 hours ago, chewy said:

Not just batsmen but need to think about bowlers
 
India will always struggle to win in SA or Aus without an out-out extreme pace bowler (average 145kph peak at 150kph) 
 
These bowlers don’t need to play every game, but used sparingly on pitches conducive to bounce and pace. 
 

That's Bs.India Has 3 bowlers who are 90mph.You have only starc who is 150 in world currently.

Delusion, guys like Starc, Cummins, Steyn and Rabada ball 90mph effortlessly, India have no bowlers who can bowl 5 overs on the trot with average of 90mph with control

 

 

[CG]

27 minutes ago, chewy said:

Delusion, guys like Starc, Cummins, Steyn and Rabada ball 90mph effortlessly, India have no bowlers who can bowl 5 overs on the trot with average of 90mph with control

 

 

you are one who is delusional.Nobody even starc will avg 145k in tests consistently.Steyn never avg 145ks .In Recent series in ind vs aus Yadav was as fast as cummins.Even yesterday bumrah avg 139 with fastest 144.In recent times shami has easily crossed 145ks.Its just he is unfit

Edited January 7, 2018 by CG

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

SA see lenge 25 saal ka hissab.

 

My bad. 26th year is worse than the 25 years.

Don't think anything can be worse than 96.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, chewy said:

Delusion, guys like Starc, Cummins, Steyn and Rabada ball 90mph effortlessly, India have no bowlers who can bowl 5 overs on the trot with average of 90mph with control

 

 

Even the names you mentioned have not bowled 145 for five overs. Aaron and Yadav were as quick as johnson on last Aus tour

Edited January 7, 2018 by rkt.india

[rkt.india]

34 minutes ago, CG said:

you are one who is delusional.Nobody even starc will avg 145k in tests consistently.Steyn never avg 145ks .In Recent series in ind vs aus Yadav was as fast as cummins.Even yesterday bumrah avg 139 with fastest 144.In recent times shami has easily crossed 145ks.Its just he is unfit

Shami is certainly fit. He is just vary of his injury and not putting his best effort.

[Straight Drive]

19 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Don't think anything can be worse than 96.

Johannesburg was good I suppose. Sachin and Azhar both making tons. What a brilliant display of counter attack it was with glorious stroke play. I am wondering if anyone from this lineup can display a partnership like that. 

[Vijy]

8 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Johannesburg was good I suppose. Sachin and Azhar both making tons. What a brilliant display of counter attack it was with glorious stroke play. I am wondering if anyone from this lineup can display a partnership like that. 

in the previous tour, the Chepu and Kohli show was a pretty good one. But I enjoyed the '96 one more.

[chewy]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Even the names you mentioned have not bowled 145 for five overs. Aaron and Yadav were as quick as johnson on last Aus tour

Starc is averaging 90mph and Cummins 88mph (can round off 90) in current Ashes

 

Aaron and Yadav are fast, definitely seen Aaron maintain 90mph (145) average, but I am also refering to having control as well, which neither have.

 

[chewy]

10 hours ago, CG said:

you are one who is delusional.Nobody even starc will avg 145k in tests consistently.Steyn never avg 145ks .In Recent series in ind vs aus Yadav was as fast as cummins.Even yesterday bumrah avg 139 with fastest 144.In recent times shami has easily crossed 145ks.Its just he is unfit

Starc is averaging 90 mph and Cummins is close to 90 too.

Yadav can bowl fast too, but bowling fast and bowling fast with control are two different things 

[Turning_track]

1 minute ago, chewy said:

Starc is averaging 90 mph and Cummins is close to 90 too.

Yadav can bowl fast too, but bowling fast and bowling fast with control are two different things 

True. We might afford him having a bad day in India but if he is wayward more often than not, I'm sure he will be thrashed by De Villiers & co without impunity.