SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) I have followed each of 4 contemporary greats in last 3-4 months, apart from Virat each one struggle to excel in one format of the game or another.I rate Smith quite highly and actually rated him better than Virat based on his test credentials but I have changed my mind now looking at all 4 perform in last 2-3 months.There is no single batsman who can compete with Virat in terms of excelling in each and every format : can he score big in tests ? yes can he score runs overseas? yes his odiu credentials? one of greatest ever, supreme consistency his t20 credentials? one of all time greats can he score at a high strike rate ? yes can he chase ? yes is he elegant ? yes We are seeing a complete Genius,comfortably most complete batsman of this generation.Proud feeling Edited January 28, 2018 by SK_IH kira, velu, Cricketics and 4 others 1 2 4 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 He isn't better than Smith. Why this 3 month cut off? Make it a 9 month cut off that will include the Aus tour here. Smith dominated Kohli by such a huge margin that we may never see a repeat of it for many decades. And he did it against Ashwin-Jaddu-Kuldeep when we were on an incredible home run. Reg ODIs Kohli is better but not by much because repeatedly he has choked in big games while Smith delivered the greatest run of ODI batsmanship in QF/SF/F...may never be repeated again. But Kohli>>Root, KW. kira and raki05 1 1 Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Smith isnt fit to tie kohli's shoelaces Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, kira said: Smith isnt fit to tie kohli's shoelaces Edited January 28, 2018 by Gollum Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gollum said: He isn't better than Smith. Why this 3 month cut off? Make it a 9 month cut off that will include the Aus tour here. Smith dominated Kohli by such a huge margin that we may never see a repeat of it for many decades. And he did it against Ashwin-Jaddu-Kuldeep when we were on an incredible home run. Reg ODIs Kohli is better but not by much because repeatedly he has choked in big games while Smith delivered the greatest run of ODI batsmanship in QF/SF/F...may never be repeated again. But Kohli>>Root, KW. stop overrating smith, he is a great test batsman for sure but look at what viratr is achieving in multiple formats , stop rating ghar ki murgi daal barabar, in diffderent countries Link to comment
SK_IH Posted January 28, 2018 Author Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Gollum said: ghanta Georgejed 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SK_IH said: stop overrating smith, he is a great test batsman for sure but look at what viratr is achieving in multiple formats , stop rating ghar ki murgi daal barabar, in diffderent countries Smith has done well in India, Eng, NZ, SA...even held his own in UAE and Lanka. Guy won a WC for his country, in 5 years time Kohli may surpass Smith because the latter depends way too much on hand eye co ordination...a trait that declines with time. But now is not the time to proclaim Kohli as the king. Smith averages 64 in test cricket, even had he never played a single ODI/T20 game still he would have been my no 1. Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Gollum said: You are too biased for smith, smith isn't even a top 20 batsman in odis, the fact that you would rate the greatest odi batsman of this generation only slightly ahead of smith in odis based on 3 home track bullying knocks on the flattest pattas in the world cup in australia exposes your bias, I wouldn't really bash on smith so much if overly biased fanbois like you stopped overhyping smith and stopped being utterly and disgustingly biased by mentioning smith in the same league as kohli in the odis even though kohli is 20 leagues above smith in limited overs. The loser smith averages just 28 away from home, you would have died of orgasm if kohli had such a big failure in his odi stats mancalledsting, OpeningBatsman and lunigirly 2 1 Link to comment
Shunya Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Smith is still at top without doubt. He is too good right now. It will take really bad year from Smith and great year for Virat to match him. Kohli has cleared himself off Root, KW and others to become unanimous no.2 now. Link to comment
ravishingravi Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, SK_IH said: I have followed each of 4 contemporary greats in last 3-4 months, apart from Virat each one struggle to excel in one format of the game or another.I rate Smith quite highly and actually rated him better than Virat based on his test credentials but I have changed my mind now looking at all 4 perform in last 2-3 months.There is no single batsman who can compete with Virat in terms of excelling in each and every format : can he score big in tests ? yes can he score runs overseas? yes his odiu credentials? one of greatest ever, supreme consistency his t20 credentials? one of all time greats can he score at a high strike rate ? yes can he chase ? yes is he elegant ? yes We are seeing a complete Genius,comfortably most complete batsman of this generation.Proud feeling Across formats, yes. It’s an insane record. For tests, Smith is right now in different league. SA series will test him though. Link to comment
fineleg Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 In Tests , Steve Smith >> Kohli In ODIs, Kohli >> Smith Cricketics 1 Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, fineleg said: In Tests , Steve Smith >> Kohli In ODIs, Kohli >> Smith Even though I don't agree that smith is too far ahead of kohli in the test format but still I can appreciate this opinion but when trolls like gollum start rating smith on par with kohli even in the limited overs then that is truly pathetic Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, kira said: Even though I don't agree that smith is too far ahead of kohli in the test format but still I can appreciate this opinion but when trolls like gollum start rating smith on par with kohli even in the limited overs then that is truly pathetic Where did I rate them on par in ODIs? I said Kohli is better but not by as much as some of you guys are trying to portray. Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Gollum said: Where did I rate them on par in ODIs? I said Kohli is better but not by as much as some of you guys are trying to portray. Saying a odi batsman like smith is only slightly behind kohli is no better. Even dhawan is better than smith in odis, there are more than 10-15 batsman ahead of smith in odis, just 2-3 knocks aren't enough to be rated among the best, if that was the case then madan lal is better than marshall based on the 1983 world cup final. Are you even watching the current eng vs odi series, smith has comfortably led the aussie limited overs team to dark ages Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Smith averages 28 overseas in ODI, ok. But then SRT too averaged lesser than Lara overseas in the 90s. In fact Lara was the number 1 ranked ODI batsman for 5 years in the 90s compared to Sachin's 1, yet I rate Sachin as a slightly better ODI batsman in that decade because he brought his A game in the WCs. Are you equating Lara-Sachin or Smith-Kohli with Madan Lal-Marshall? Link to comment
WC2011INDIA Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) Tests - Smith >> Virat (Steve in home conditions is unbeatable whereas Virat struggled against Australia at home! Smith outclassed him with the bat) ODIs/T20s (bilaterals) - Virat >Smith World Cup ODIs - Smith > Virat WT20 cups - Virat > Smith CT ODI - Virat > Smith IPL - Virat > Smith Edited January 28, 2018 by WC2011INDIA Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, Gollum said: Smith averages 28 overseas in ODI, ok. But then SRT too averaged lesser than Lara overseas in the 90s. In fact Lara was the number 1 ranked ODI batsman for 5 years in the 90s compared to Sachin's 1, yet I rate Sachin as a slightly better ODI batsman in that decade because he brought his A game in the WCs. Are you equating Lara-Sachin or Smith-Kohli with Madan Lal-Marshall? Are you saying smith is in the lara-sachin-kohli league in odis? I have heard enough Link to comment
kira Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 List of top ODI batsman since smith's debut, check the rank of you beloved smith on this list, even over the hill gambhir was a better odi player than smith. How is the lara-sachin of this era ranked so freakig low? Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2010-2017 132 126 28 6423 176 65.54 5849 109.81 21 33 2 515 153 V Kohli (INDIA) 2010-2017 187 181 30 8546 183 56.59 9220 92.68 31 42 12 782 94 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2010-2015 142 135 15 6356 169 52.96 7504 84.70 15 42 6 609 52 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2010-2017 158 132 41 4765 139* 52.36 5460 87.27 4 33 3 375 106 HM Amla (SA) 2010-2017 136 134 8 6533 159 51.84 7247 90.14 25 28 3 661 46 IJL Trott (ENG) 2010-2013 64 61 9 2671 137 51.36 3443 77.57 4 20 4 200 3 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 102 96 13 4226 133* 50.91 4869 86.79 10 26 4 336 34 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2010-2018 128 120 21 5015 131* 50.65 6081 82.46 14 30 3 403 77 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2010-2017 133 130 16 5729 264 50.25 6415 89.30 16 30 8 500 158 MJ Clarke (AUS) 2010-2015 82 76 13 3036 117 48.19 3735 81.28 4 20 1 237 25 KS Williamson (NZ) 2010-2018 123 117 10 4977 145* 46.51 5956 83.56 10 33 5 463 40 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 88 88 5 3806 178 45.85 4022 94.62 13 15 2 430 55 DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 99 97 4 4237 179 45.55 4361 97.15 14 16 1 446 67 Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2010-2015 106 99 20 3599 96* 45.55 5070 70.98 0 33 4 230 59 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2010-2017 96 95 5 4038 137 44.86 4357 92.67 12 23 3 487 52 TM Dilshan (SL) 2010-2016 159 155 14 6296 161* 44.65 7234 87.03 17 31 7 739 32 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2010-2018 132 130 14 5125 237* 44.18 5820 88.05 12 27 12 539 132 F du Plessis (SA) 2011-2017 116 111 14 4259 185 43.90 4847 87.86 8 29 3 367 52 AD Mathews (SL) 2010-2018 178 150 42 4732 139* 43.81 5615 84.27 2 32 12 373 77 EC Joyce (IRE) 2011-2018 57 56 8 2025 160* 42.18 2755 73.50 5 10 3 191 23 G Gambhir (INDIA) 2010-2013 56 56 3 2228 138* 42.03 2604 85.56 4 16 5 229 2 SPD Smith (AUS) 2010-2018 108 94 12 3431 164 41.84 3973 86.35 8 19 5 289 31 GJ Bailey (AUS) 2012-2016 90 85 10 3044 156 40.58 3645 83.51 3 22 3 222 57 SR Watson (AUS) 2010-2015 94 91 5 3481 185* 40.47 3624 96.05 5 23 4 352 94 IR Bell (ENG) 2010-2015 82 81 8 2933 141 40.17 3588 81.74 3 20 2 273 21 DA Miller (SA) 2010-2017 100 88 27 2396 138* 39.27 2343 102.26 4 10 7 177 71 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2010-2018 113 111 5 4154 132 39.18 5165 80.42 7 30 10 456 52 BRM Taylor (ZIM) 2010-2018 79 79 6 2859 145* 39.16 3473 82.32 7 16 9 264 36 AJ Finch (AUS) 2013-2018 88 84 1 3200 148 38.55 3552 90.09 10 18 7 339 70 express bowling 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 I think this rivalry between Kohli and Smith are benefiting both. Both are fierce competitors who are becoming better because the other one is setting a higher standard with every passing day. This is needed and makes world cricket better. As of today Kohli > Smith in All-formats / ODIs / T20Is Smith > Kohli in tests Vilander and Forever Indian 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, kira said: List of top ODI batsman since smith's debut, check the rank of you beloved smith on this list, even over the hill gambhir was a better odi player than smith. How is the lara-sachin of this era ranked so freakig low? Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s AB de Villiers (SA) 2010-2017 132 126 28 6423 176 65.54 5849 109.81 21 33 2 515 153 V Kohli (INDIA) 2010-2017 187 181 30 8546 183 56.59 9220 92.68 31 42 12 782 94 KC Sangakkara (SL) 2010-2015 142 135 15 6356 169 52.96 7504 84.70 15 42 6 609 52 MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2010-2017 158 132 41 4765 139* 52.36 5460 87.27 4 33 3 375 106 HM Amla (SA) 2010-2017 136 134 8 6533 159 51.84 7247 90.14 25 28 3 661 46 IJL Trott (ENG) 2010-2013 64 61 9 2671 137 51.36 3443 77.57 4 20 4 200 3 JE Root (ENG) 2013-2018 102 96 13 4226 133* 50.91 4869 86.79 10 26 4 336 34 LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2010-2018 128 120 21 5015 131* 50.65 6081 82.46 14 30 3 403 77 RG Sharma (INDIA) 2010-2017 133 130 16 5729 264 50.25 6415 89.30 16 30 8 500 158 MJ Clarke (AUS) 2010-2015 82 76 13 3036 117 48.19 3735 81.28 4 20 1 237 25 KS Williamson (NZ) 2010-2018 123 117 10 4977 145* 46.51 5956 83.56 10 33 5 463 40 Q de Kock (SA) 2013-2017 88 88 5 3806 178 45.85 4022 94.62 13 15 2 430 55 DA Warner (AUS) 2011-2018 99 97 4 4237 179 45.55 4361 97.15 14 16 1 446 67 Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK) 2010-2015 106 99 20 3599 96* 45.55 5070 70.98 0 33 4 230 59 S Dhawan (INDIA) 2010-2017 96 95 5 4038 137 44.86 4357 92.67 12 23 3 487 52 TM Dilshan (SL) 2010-2016 159 155 14 6296 161* 44.65 7234 87.03 17 31 7 739 32 MJ Guptill (NZ) 2010-2018 132 130 14 5125 237* 44.18 5820 88.05 12 27 12 539 132 F du Plessis (SA) 2011-2017 116 111 14 4259 185 43.90 4847 87.86 8 29 3 367 52 AD Mathews (SL) 2010-2018 178 150 42 4732 139* 43.81 5615 84.27 2 32 12 373 77 EC Joyce (IRE) 2011-2018 57 56 8 2025 160* 42.18 2755 73.50 5 10 3 191 23 G Gambhir (INDIA) 2010-2013 56 56 3 2228 138* 42.03 2604 85.56 4 16 5 229 2 SPD Smith (AUS) 2010-2018 108 94 12 3431 164 41.84 3973 86.35 8 19 5 289 31 GJ Bailey (AUS) 2012-2016 90 85 10 3044 156 40.58 3645 83.51 3 22 3 222 57 SR Watson (AUS) 2010-2015 94 91 5 3481 185* 40.47 3624 96.05 5 23 4 352 94 IR Bell (ENG) 2010-2015 82 81 8 2933 141 40.17 3588 81.74 3 20 2 273 21 DA Miller (SA) 2010-2017 100 88 27 2396 138* 39.27 2343 102.26 4 10 7 177 71 Tamim Iqbal (BDESH) 2010-2018 113 111 5 4154 132 39.18 5165 80.42 7 30 10 456 52 BRM Taylor (ZIM) 2010-2018 79 79 6 2859 145* 39.16 3473 82.32 7 16 9 264 36 AJ Finch (AUS) 2013-2018 88 84 1 3200 148 38.55 3552 90.09 10 18 7 339 70 Nice stat twisting, why include after Smith's debut and not for others? First couple of years is tough for any batsman, pura career dekho. Link to comment
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