Pandya's bowling in the 1st 2 ODIs

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

So who are the alternatives to Pandya?

 

We don't have any big hitters who can bat at 7 and bowl as 3rd seamer.So  have to be patient with Pandya and hope he becomes consistent atleast until a better alternative emerges.

 

We need to bring in both Vijay Shankar and Krunal Pandya in the mix to avoid burnout.

 

Any 2 of Hardik, Krunal and Shankar ... at 6 and 7 in ODIs and T20Is ... will keep all of them fresh and we will always have 2 bowlers sharing the 5th bowler's workload ... and each can bowl around 5 overs with intensity.

 

Hardik would still be my first pick in important matches and series though.

[vvvslaxman]

Bhuvaneswar is an evolving all rounder. So Pandya's position is under risk.

[Straight Drive]

Hardik has played 34 matches. he is no more a new comer. Performance has to start flowing. 1 wicket per match is just not fine imo if such a bowler is one of the 5 bowlers that we field. One wicket per match is acceptable only from 6th bowler in the playing 11.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bhuvaneswar is an evolving all rounder. So Pandya's position is under risk.

 

And if we keep playing both Bhuvi and Hardik in almost  every match in all-3-formats ( with a packed calendar )  then the fitness and intensity of both these motivated hard workers are at risk.

[cowboysfan]

He just sucks, he obviously is clueless with the ball and his slogs rarely work.if we had another spinner then SA wouldn't even cross 100.both matches his spell had allowed the saffers to consolidate when they should have been buried by a proper bowler.

[Nikhil_cric]

Said this before and i will say it again. Even if he gets his pace upto the 140 mark, he will get clobbered if he's gonna bowl his full quota since he never could get that zip off the deck which is all important on these modern day true pitches. But he's an asset on the field and if he starts scoring consistently at 7, then it will be somewhat justified. Otherwise it is not. Our batting is too weak to afford that atm. 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Hardik has played 34 matches. he is no more a new comer. Performance has to start flowing. 1 wicket per match is just not fine imo if such a bowler is one of the 5 bowlers that we field. One wicket per match is acceptable only from 6th bowler in the playing 11.

 

It is not possible to field a specialist 5th bowler in ODIs  and T20s.... because you need a batting all-rounder at 7 who can hit big..

 

Look at Morris of SA ... 1 wicket per match too and he bowls in better bowling conditions compared to Hardik.

 

NZ plays Grandhomme ( less than 1 wicket per match ) ... so on and so forth.

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He ll learn with time and as they say bowler maar khaa ke hi seekhta hai

Ishant mar khake kuch sikha? 

Panda looks exhausted

 Needs a break. Should try other options in the meantime.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

It is not possible to field a specialist 5th bowler in ODIs  and T20s.... because you need a batting all-rounder at 7 who can hit big..

 

Look at Morris of SA ... 1 wicket per match too and he bowls in better bowling conditions compared to Hardik.

 

NZ plays Grandhomme ( less than 1 wicket per match ) ... so on and so forth.

Actually it is quite possible imo. If you have 5 quality bowlers it will be very helpful on these modern batting tracks and the other team's batting can be reined in to a reasonable score. We just need to make sure that the best 5 batsmen are batting in the top 5 and the best WK/bat at 6. I wish management would have atleast experimented with 5+1+5 formula a couple of times and see how effective if it is.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Actually it is quite possible imo. If you have 5 quality bowlers it will be very helpful on these modern batting tracks and the other team's batting can be reined in to a reasonable score. We just need to make sure that the best 5 batsmen are batting in the top 5 and the best WK/bat at 6. I wish management would have atleast experimented with 5+1+5 formula a couple of times and see how effective if it is.

 

Can't remember any good team doing it for any length of time in the last 15 years.

 

You need atleast 2 big hitters ... if they bat at 5 and 6  then the batting depth would be too thin and there will be no-one to cover for batting collapses.

Edited February 4, 2018 by express bowling

[Straight Drive]

25 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It is not possible to field a specialist 5th bowler in ODIs  and T20s.... because you need a batting all-rounder at 7 who can hit big..

 

Look at Morris of SA ... 1 wicket per match too and he bowls in better bowling conditions compared to Hardik.

 

NZ plays Grandhomme ( less than 1 wicket per match ) ... so on and so forth.

SA are in same problem. Since Kallis retired they tried Ryan McLaren who didn't work out as pace bowling all rounder. Neither is Chris Morris working out as better option. Hence Morris too was dropped at times. They are also facing same issue trying to play farhaan Behardein at 7, which also doesnt works out. So they get back to Morris, now Phehlukwayo. Morris being poor does not in any way justifies Hardik's poor bowling. Both teams (India and South Africa ) are struggling with their pace allrounders.

 

CDG is also same but he is at least relatively very new to ODI and him being bad does not allows Hardik to get away with the performance he has given with the ball.

 

The fact is most teams are lacking good pace bowling all rounders. Pollock, Kallis, Watson, Bravo, Kapil, Heath Streak, Chris Cairns, Freddie , Irfan Pathan, Faulkner did a good job with either bat or ball or at both skills for good enough time. All the teams are struggling to find replacement pace bowling all rounder and we are in same boat. 

Edited February 4, 2018 by Straight Drive

[vayuu1]

Sorry to say this but I think there is arrogance and over confidence in his attitude, after all the hype that was created around him, looks like he is taking his position for granted, his batting is more miss than hit and even bowling looks pedestrian. 

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

SA are in same problem. Since Kallis retired they tried Ryan McLaren who didn't work out as pace bowling all rounder. Neither is Chris Morris working out as better option. Hence Morris too was dropped at times. They are also facing same issue trying to play farhaan Behardein at 7, which also doesnt works out. So they get back to Morris, now Phehlukwayo. Morris being poor does not in any way justifies Hardik's poor bowling. Both teams (India and South Africa ) are struggling with their pace allrounders.

 

CDG is also same but he is at least relatively very new to ODI and him being bad does not allows Hardik to get away with the performance he has given with the ball.

 

The fact is most teams are lacking good pace bowling all rounders. Pollock, Kallis, Bravo, Kapil, Heath Streak, Chris Cairns, Freddie , Irfan Pathan, Faulkner did a good job with either bat or ball or at both skills for good enough time. All the teams are struggling to find replacement pace bowling all rounder and we are in same boat. 

 

It has never been easy to find someone who can play both as a specialist batter and a specialist bowler. They have been few and far between.

 

In the absence of that, it is better to have 2 batting all-rounders at 6 and 7,  to take care of the 5th bowler's job. 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

It is not practical to have another player just to help Pandya finish his quota of overs. He will have to prove his worthiness in the squad, just like every other player is expected to do so. He has 35 wickets in 33 matches which is  unacceptable if he is one of the only 5 bowlers in the team. Every bowler in 5 bowlers attack must be taking much more number of wickets, and if someone is incapable of that then play the other specialist bowler. One way to address this issue is to make him bat at 6 and then play 5 proper bowlers.  

Kon bola 

Play shankar, gowtham or krunal at 6 or 7 and u have ur 6th bowler 

35 wkts in 33 wkts fine, bhuvneshwar kumar has had similar stats for the longest times

And those wkts are not only his only contribution , his runs and fielding are to.........uska end calculation bahut zyaada hoga.

 

No need to play 5 full bowlers, play 4 bowlers and 2 all rounders like pandya bros or shankar .......

Its all about balance 

Most teams have that option of 6th bowler

Sa- duminy 

Eng has many all rounder options

Aus has maxwell, head 

Nz has all rounder options 

[Ankit_sharma03]

47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Bhuvaneswar is an evolving all rounder. So Pandya's position is under risk.

bhuvi cant be the all rounder in ODI cricket thats needed, his or ashwin batting at lower order can only come in play when their is collapse. At that position on most days u need hitter

So bhuvi will mostly be a bowling all rounder in LOI 

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, vayuu1 said:

Sorry to say this but I think there is arrogance and over confidence in his attitude, after all the hype that was created around him, looks like he is taking his position for granted, his batting is more miss than hit and even bowling looks pedestrian. 

just becoz someone is expressive doesnt mean he is arrogant , people said the same about Virat. The generation next is like that flashy 

 

What makes u think he has taken his position for guarantee?

[Ankit_sharma03]

32 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Ishant mar khake kuch sikha? 

Panda looks exhausted

 Needs a break. Should try other options in the meantime.

 

Bhuvi seekha na 100 run khaa ke wankhade men 

to every thing their wud be good n bad examples 

[Ankit_sharma03]

41 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

He just sucks, he obviously is clueless with the ball and his slogs rarely work.if we had another spinner then SA wouldn't even cross 100.both matches his spell had allowed the saffers to consolidate when they should have been buried by a proper bowler.

Please find me a better option n let me know 

[Straight Drive]

6 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kon bola 

Play shankar, gowtham or krunal at 6 or 7 and u have ur 6th bowler 

35 wkts in 33 wkts fine, bhuvneshwar kumar has had similar stats for the longest times

And those wkts are not only his only contribution , his runs and fielding are to.........uska end calculation bahut zyaada hoga.

 

No need to play 5 full bowlers, play 4 bowlers and 2 all rounders like pandya bros or shankar .......

Its all about balance 

Most teams have that option of 6th bowler

Sa- duminy 

Eng has many all rounder options

Aus has maxwell, head 

Nz has all rounder options 

I do not have problems if Hardik is considered as 6th bowling option and the runs and his brilliant fielding, but definitely he is not fit to be top 5 bowler. Currently we are playing him as 5th bowler which is very risky strategy.

[vayuu1]

just becoz someone is expressive doesnt mean he is arrogant , people said the same about Virat. The generation next is like that flashy 
 
What makes u think he has taken his position for guarantee?

Coz he doesn't value his wicket while batting, even when he is bowling look at his body language, even he is being tonked he laughs it off, he needs to understand his value as an all-rounder and what team expects from him.

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