Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just how good is Dale Steyn? Outstanding, right? Almost everyone will agree he is an all-time great. But as he stands on the verge of breaking the record for South Africa's most Test wickets, requiring one more dismissal to go clear of Shaun Pollock, the numbers suggest he has been even better than he is in most people's estimation. It may be that Steyn is not merely great, but is actually among the finest half-dozen quicks to ever have played the game. We will eventually measure Steyn's record in relation to the best quicks through cricket's modern history, but before that let's look at how he compares to his 21st-century peers. Among fast bowlers who have taken over 200 wickets since 2000, Steyn's average of 22.42 is third-best, behind those of Glenn McGrath and Vernon Philander. While McGrath was experiencing a late-career harvest (his overall numbers are slightly worse), Philander is buoyed by spectacular numbers while playing at home - he has been nowhere near as effective as Steyn outside South Africa, and his returns in Asia have been particularly modest relative to his exploits elsewhere. Where Steyn is a clear leader, however, is in strike rate; no one else on the list gets close to his 41.6. He is also the second-highest wicket-taker for this period, with 421 scalps. Only James Anderson has been more successful, but Anderson's average (27.23) and strike rate (56.2), are not in Steyn's league. This is no real surprise - although Anderson has been a supremely skillful bowler, Steyn could do pretty much everything Anderson could do, but at 10kph faster. Among Steyn's clearest claims to greatness have been his performances in Asia, where quicks generally encounter the least helpful surfaces. He has 92 wickets in the continent, well clear of Anderson, who is the next-most-successful non-Asian seamer this century with 59 wickets. Among quicks to have played at least 20 Tests in Asia since 2000, though, Steyn's numbers compare favourably even with those of Asian fast bowlers. His numbers are virtually indistinguishable from those of Shoaib Akhtar, with other wonderful Asian quicks - the likes of Chaminda Vaas and Zaheer Khan - sitting way back. We have now established that Steyn is the most penetrative and versatile quick of the last 15 years, but let's now look a little further back and bring the great '90s bowlers into the frame. To do a meaningful comparison across eras, though, we must account for varying conditions and trends. Although bowler-friendly tracks have made a roaring comeback over the past few years, much of Steyn's career was played in an infamously batting-friendly period. So instead of merely stacking up these players' averages and strike rates against each other, let's look at how much better each bowler was than his peers, by calculating the difference between each bowler's numbers and the mean bowling numbers in his career span (that is, the mean bowling stats from between the bowler's first and last Test). From among a group of eight truly outstanding quicks, Steyn has the best average differential, though he is neck-and-neck with McGrath. Quicks Compared To Others In Their Career Span Bowler Wickets Average Other quicks' Ave Average differential Dale Steyn 421 22.42 32.81 -10.38 Glenn McGrath 563 21.64 32.00 -10.36 Shaun Pollock 421 23.11 32.36 -9.25 Curtly Ambrose 405 20.99 30.00 -9.01 Allan Donald 330 22.25 30.50 -8.25 Waqar Younis 373 23.56 30.55 -6.99 Wasim Akram 414 23.62 30.37 -6.75 Courtney Walsh 519 24.44 30.04 -5.60 Where Steyn sets himself apart from McGrath, however, is via that incredible strike rate. Only Waqar Younis had a better strike rate differential than Steyn, but then Waqar was more expensive as well. Where Steyn's versatility - owing probably to his mastery of reverse-swing - really become clear is when his figures in Asia are compared to those of the best visiting quicks through cricket's history. His raw average and strike rate in Asia is staggering enough, but throw the differential numbers in - that is, compare Steyn's stats to the mean for his era, while doing the same for the other non-Asian greats - he comes out ahead of the pack in terms of average. On strike rate, Steyn and Wes Hall are well clear of the rest. Effectively, Steyn's wickets in Asia have come an astounding 28 balls closer together than they have for the average bowler in his era. ESPNcricinfo's jury panel recently voted in McGrath as the right-arm quick in our Test team of the last 25 years, but given the above numbers, I would replace McGrath with Steyn, owing not only to Steyn's prowess on the toughest continent for quicks, but also because of the value he adds via his strike rate. A full fifth of McGrath's wickets had also come against minnows, by which of course I mean England 1994 through 2003. Even Malcolm Marshall, whose record in Asia is what clinches him the "greatest fast bowler ever" tag, for many, was not quite as statistically dominant as Steyn has been there. By now, it is clear that numbers-wise, Steyn has a strong claim to being the finest fast bowler of the last 30 years - in a fairly crowded field. He is also almost certainly the best non-Asian quick in Asian conditions. Among bowlers of any ilk with more than 200 wickets, from any era, Steyn's career strike rate of 41.6 is the best. If you are a captain in need of quick wickets, with minimal release of pressure, there is no better player to call on from your great-bowler rolodex than Steyn; he is the most aggressive great bowler there has been. Strike Rates For Bowlers With Over 200 Wickets Bowler Innings Wickets Average Strike rate Dale Steyn 159 421 22.42 41.60 Waqar Younis 154 373 23.56 43.40 Malcolm Marshall 151 376 20.94 46.70 Alan Donald 129 330 22.25 47.00 Vernon Philander 103 205 21.54 48.60 Fred Trueman 127 307 21.57 49.40 Jeol Garner 111 259 20.97 50.80 Richard Hadlee 150 431 22.29 50.80 Finally, one more figure that puts Steyn in the league of the most sublime quicks to ever have borne down on batsmen: his record in victories. Aside from the first few years of his career, in which Australia dominated, South Africa have arguably been the best Test team in the world for a good portion of Steyn's career. In that time, no bowler has been more crucial to his team's success. In fact, few quicks have ever been as impactful for any team as Steyn. Of bowlers that played in the last 100 years, only Richard Hadlee and Imran Khan have better averages in victories (minimum: 100 wickets in wins). Steyn has more wickets in wins than the other top 15 bowlers (by average). It pretty much goes without saying by this stage that Steyn's strike rate is the best. Fast Bowlers In Team Victories (Qual: 100 Wickets) Bowler Innings Wickets Average Strike rate Richard Hadlee 44 173 13.06 33.50 Imran Khan 46 155 14.50 38.29 Dale Steyn 88 293 16.10 31.50 Malcolm Marshall 86 254 16.78 38.10 Alan Donald 64 187 16.79 35.50 Curtly Ambrose 87 229 16.86 44.40 Vernon Philander 64 145 17.17 40.40 Fred Trueman 68 177 17.30 40.79 With all these numbers considered and put into historical context, Steyn's career comes out looking even more monstrous than perhaps he has got credit for. How many bowlers in history can claim to have dominated matches in Galle (in 2014), as well as at the Wanderers? There is stiff competition for the pace-bowling spots in an all-time XI, but having been the clear leader during his playing period, and having put up spectacular numbers despite playing in one of the most batting-friendly eras in history, he deserves to be part of any all-time XI conversation. Link -http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24128428/dale-steyn-greatest-fast-bowler-century Mosher and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
Vilander Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Just how good is Dale Steyn? Outstanding, right? Almost everyone will agree he is an all-time great. But as he stands on the verge of breaking the record for South Africa's most Test wickets, requiring one more dismissal to go clear of Shaun Pollock, the numbers suggest he has been even better than he is in most people's estimation. It may be that Steyn is not merely great, but is actually among the finest half-dozen quicks to ever have played the game. We will eventually measure Steyn's record in relation to the best quicks through cricket's modern history, but before that let's look at how he compares to his 21st-century peers. Among fast bowlers who have taken over 200 wickets since 2000, Steyn's average of 22.42 is third-best, behind those of Glenn McGrath and Vernon Philander. While McGrath was experiencing a late-career harvest (his overall numbers are slightly worse), Philander is buoyed by spectacular numbers while playing at home - he has been nowhere near as effective as Steyn outside South Africa, and his returns in Asia have been particularly modest relative to his exploits elsewhere. Where Steyn is a clear leader, however, is in strike rate; no one else on the list gets close to his 41.6. He is also the second-highest wicket-taker for this period, with 421 scalps. Only James Anderson has been more successful, but Anderson's average (27.23) and strike rate (56.2), are not in Steyn's league. This is no real surprise - although Anderson has been a supremely skillful bowler, Steyn could do pretty much everything Anderson could do, but at 10kph faster. Among Steyn's clearest claims to greatness have been his performances in Asia, where quicks generally encounter the least helpful surfaces. He has 92 wickets in the continent, well clear of Anderson, who is the next-most-successful non-Asian seamer this century with 59 wickets. Among quicks to have played at least 20 Tests in Asia since 2000, though, Steyn's numbers compare favourably even with those of Asian fast bowlers. His numbers are virtually indistinguishable from those of Shoaib Akhtar, with other wonderful Asian quicks - the likes of Chaminda Vaas and Zaheer Khan - sitting way back. We have now established that Steyn is the most penetrative and versatile quick of the last 15 years, but let's now look a little further back and bring the great '90s bowlers into the frame. To do a meaningful comparison across eras, though, we must account for varying conditions and trends. Although bowler-friendly tracks have made a roaring comeback over the past few years, much of Steyn's career was played in an infamously batting-friendly period. So instead of merely stacking up these players' averages and strike rates against each other, let's look at how much better each bowler was than his peers, by calculating the difference between each bowler's numbers and the mean bowling numbers in his career span (that is, the mean bowling stats from between the bowler's first and last Test). From among a group of eight truly outstanding quicks, Steyn has the best average differential, though he is neck-and-neck with McGrath. Quicks Compared To Others In Their Career Span Bowler Wickets Average Other quicks' Ave Average differential Dale Steyn 421 22.42 32.81 -10.38 Glenn McGrath 563 21.64 32.00 -10.36 Shaun Pollock 421 23.11 32.36 -9.25 Curtly Ambrose 405 20.99 30.00 -9.01 Allan Donald 330 22.25 30.50 -8.25 Waqar Younis 373 23.56 30.55 -6.99 Wasim Akram 414 23.62 30.37 -6.75 Courtney Walsh 519 24.44 30.04 -5.60 Where Steyn sets himself apart from McGrath, however, is via that incredible strike rate. Only Waqar Younis had a better strike rate differential than Steyn, but then Waqar was more expensive as well. Where Steyn's versatility - owing probably to his mastery of reverse-swing - really become clear is when his figures in Asia are compared to those of the best visiting quicks through cricket's history. His raw average and strike rate in Asia is staggering enough, but throw the differential numbers in - that is, compare Steyn's stats to the mean for his era, while doing the same for the other non-Asian greats - he comes out ahead of the pack in terms of average. On strike rate, Steyn and Wes Hall are well clear of the rest. Effectively, Steyn's wickets in Asia have come an astounding 28 balls closer together than they have for the average bowler in his era. ESPNcricinfo's jury panel recently voted in McGrath as the right-arm quick in our Test team of the last 25 years, but given the above numbers, I would replace McGrath with Steyn, owing not only to Steyn's prowess on the toughest continent for quicks, but also because of the value he adds via his strike rate. A full fifth of McGrath's wickets had also come against minnows, by which of course I mean England 1994 through 2003. Even Malcolm Marshall, whose record in Asia is what clinches him the "greatest fast bowler ever" tag, for many, was not quite as statistically dominant as Steyn has been there. By now, it is clear that numbers-wise, Steyn has a strong claim to being the finest fast bowler of the last 30 years - in a fairly crowded field. He is also almost certainly the best non-Asian quick in Asian conditions. Among bowlers of any ilk with more than 200 wickets, from any era, Steyn's career strike rate of 41.6 is the best. If you are a captain in need of quick wickets, with minimal release of pressure, there is no better player to call on from your great-bowler rolodex than Steyn; he is the most aggressive great bowler there has been. Strike Rates For Bowlers With Over 200 Wickets Bowler Innings Wickets Average Strike rate Dale Steyn 159 421 22.42 41.60 Waqar Younis 154 373 23.56 43.40 Malcolm Marshall 151 376 20.94 46.70 Alan Donald 129 330 22.25 47.00 Vernon Philander 103 205 21.54 48.60 Fred Trueman 127 307 21.57 49.40 Jeol Garner 111 259 20.97 50.80 Richard Hadlee 150 431 22.29 50.80 Finally, one more figure that puts Steyn in the league of the most sublime quicks to ever have borne down on batsmen: his record in victories. Aside from the first few years of his career, in which Australia dominated, South Africa have arguably been the best Test team in the world for a good portion of Steyn's career. In that time, no bowler has been more crucial to his team's success. In fact, few quicks have ever been as impactful for any team as Steyn. Of bowlers that played in the last 100 years, only Richard Hadlee and Imran Khan have better averages in victories (minimum: 100 wickets in wins). Steyn has more wickets in wins than the other top 15 bowlers (by average). It pretty much goes without saying by this stage that Steyn's strike rate is the best. Fast Bowlers In Team Victories (Qual: 100 Wickets) Bowler Innings Wickets Average Strike rate Richard Hadlee 44 173 13.06 33.50 Imran Khan 46 155 14.50 38.29 Dale Steyn 88 293 16.10 31.50 Malcolm Marshall 86 254 16.78 38.10 Alan Donald 64 187 16.79 35.50 Curtly Ambrose 87 229 16.86 44.40 Vernon Philander 64 145 17.17 40.40 Fred Trueman 68 177 17.30 40.79 With all these numbers considered and put into historical context, Steyn's career comes out looking even more monstrous than perhaps he has got credit for. How many bowlers in history can claim to have dominated matches in Galle (in 2014), as well as at the Wanderers? There is stiff competition for the pace-bowling spots in an all-time XI, but having been the clear leader during his playing period, and having put up spectacular numbers despite playing in one of the most batting-friendly eras in history, he deserves to be part of any all-time XI conversation. Link -http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/24128428/dale-steyn-greatest-fast-bowler-century definitely one of the best ever bowlers.. Hope he goes out at the right time and retains his legacy. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Lets not forget that this guys has not been involved in any ball tampering or any other controversies ( I am not aware of, correct me if I am wrong ). So, even if waqar matches him in strike rate, his career was not as clean and his success maybe owed to other factors. And Steyn, although not express, has been generating impressive speeds throughout his career. Had it not been for his injury, Steyn would have been better. An absolute gem! Mosher, Ankit_sharma03, BlueBee and 1 other 4 Link to comment
Number Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 My top 5 greatest test bowlers 1. Marshall 2. Akram Ambrose Steyn(no ordering) 3. McGrath Link to comment
rkt.india Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Number said: My top 5 greatest test bowlers 1. Marshall 2. Akram Ambrose Steyn(no ordering) 3. McGrath Akram is overrated tailender killer and not better than Ambrose or McGrath. Ambrose Iwill keep in McGrath category. both were similar. Ambrose looked a bit quicker. Have not seen Marshall, so, won't comment but among other four, Steyn is clearly the best with McGrath second in a close fight with Ambrose and Akram after them. i am even tempted to put Allan Donald ahead of Akram. Donald averages 20 in SC though sample size is low, only 9 tests with 36 wickets. Edited July 19, 2018 by rkt.india Number and Rightarmfast 2 Link to comment
speedheat Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Styen, One of my favorite fast bowler of this century and 2000s decade, some of the others were Bond Lee Akhtar Jermaine Lawson Stew harmison Lasitha malibga and Andy blignaut Edited July 19, 2018 by speedheat Mosher 1 Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Steyn has to be the best. On virtue of effectiveness. Plus, he has been express in the first of his career, post that, still been genuine quick. Akram is overrated. He could bamboozle batsmen, but he wasnt effective when it came to taking wickets of top order batsmen. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Steyn daylight Mcgrath daylight the rest I put Mcgrath lower because on his own he was mostly, but not always, ineffective in Asia, without Gillespie or Kasper Aus wouldn't have won the series in 2004, Gilly also played a major role. Mcgrath was the 3rd best bowler on display, Warne also had a great series, relatively speaking. Without Warne Aus wouldn't have won in SL or UAE either. Mcgrath tends to be overrated in Asia, he never had the impact that Steyn had nor the penetration. I'd pick Steyn anywhere & everywhere, over Pigeon, possibly with the exception of England & Aus. Mcgrath also had a slight fortune in that he retired before the advent of T20, his numbers would've been much worse in this era, especially LO games. Edited July 19, 2018 by R!TTER Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Steyn is the ATG great, not just of this era. If he too had bowled on uncovered, underprepared wickets and batsman without protective gear of that era, he would have easily surpassed the SR of some of the old era great bowlers. Link to comment
sriniwu Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, speedheat said: Styen, One of my favorite fast bowler of this century and 2000s decade, some of the others were Bond Lee Akhtar Jermaine Lawson Stew harmison Lasitha malibga and Andy blignaut andy blignaut :O the poor man's poor version of klusener.. him and colin miller had the best hair colours raki05 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 There is no daylight difference between McGrath and Steyn. Both play in the 2000's era and were successful on some of the flattest pitches in the history of cricket. If Steyn had pace and late away swing, Mcgrath had the bounce,accuracy and the seam movement and of dead tracks, found enough pace and reverse as well. Also putting Ambrose in the same category as McGrath is flawed. Ambrose did not play test cricket after 2000 and a lot of matches were on broken tracks of the windies, green seamers i England etc. He would use his height and bounce to bowl accurately in a series without impact on flatter decks while turning up after the series was lost on a more helpful deck. Also, except for one tour of pakistan in 1990 or 1991, he never really took wickets in the SC. Mcgrath and steyn have done very well atleast in two three series. Link to comment
Moochad Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 the article should be titled greatest of all time Switchblade and Tibarn 2 Link to comment
prinzo Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 and England regards James Anderson as better then STEYN Link to comment
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