Kohli vs Sachin . Can we stop this embarrassing comparison (POLL)

[Rasgulla]

Just now, speedheat said:

 

Ok ok ok you got your upvote now 

 

 

[bleaf27]

The lack of logic in this thread is mind boggling.

 

Tendulkar is like a Mercedes - proven over decades of excellence and consistency.

 

Kohli is like the new Lexus - fast and impressive but not proven for even 1/3rd of that time.  

 

Calm down lads..

[Autonomous]

Virat is a beast. 

 

Just doesn't seem to ever get out once set, So mighty consistent with flawless conversion rate. He is just too damn good, Surely will over take Tendulkar if he hasn't yet. 

[Vk1]

Assuming teams these days score 40 more than late 90s and 2000s can we see how many runs sachin scored while chasing and winning 250+ targets and kohli for 290+ targets? Also average in knock out games to see better match winner ?

Edited June 16, 2017 by Vk1

[Rasgulla]

12 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Assuming teams these days score 40 more than late 90s and 2000s can we see how many runs sachin scored while chasing and winning 250+ targets and kohli for 290+ targets? Also average in knock out games to see better match winner ?

Did he not play 2 finals and choked in both of them ? Defo single digit in one and around 18 

 

Didn't even get past 25in both of them combined

 

Virat was a beast.. He was the man for finals in 2013 CT Virat can handle big moments better than him. He has great 2012 and 2016 T20 WC... One man show

Edited June 16, 2017 by Rasgulla

[someone]

Longevity can't be the reason. Sachin's longevity turned out to be weakness than strength.  After 2011 win, we saw the worse of him, his love for personal glory and stats. And then, the very best of Sachin still is behind Kohli. Also Kohli is entering his prime now, so many Sachin's record can be broken. Kolhi is a combo, influential batsman as Sachin and influential captain as Ganguly/Dhoni.

[velu]

in ODIs and in T20s , kohli is light years ahead ..

in tests , kohli will surpass him soon ..

 

when comes to scoring , kohli is again miles ahead

 

[velu]

22 hours ago, bleaf27 said:

The lack of logic in this thread is mind boggling.

 

Tendulkar is like a Mercedes - proven over decades of excellence and consistency.

 

Kohli is like the new Lexus - fast and impressive but not proven for even 1/3rd of that time.  

 

Calm down lads..

wrong analogy..

dont think mercedez will break down under pressure

 

[bleaf27]

4 hours ago, velu said:

wrong analogy..

dont think mercedez will break down under pressure

 

You haven't driven a Merc then... 

[Ankit_sharma03]

There can be a lot debate but somewere kohli is definately ahead of tendulkar and any batsman is chasing in LOI, the guys in thee best . Not only he chase well but he finishes

 

And another thing, i remeber i saw this video during india-england series were robery key pointed out that their were ways u cud tie down sachin but kohli....u just cant stop the runs. Kohli also doesnt let the pressure of milestine get to him, when tenduulkar played that gr8 innings of 175 ....before he started going he had a pressure of crossing 17k runs and he was very nervous and was taking a lot of time despite us chasing 350. And then his 100- 100

 

 

[New guy]

5 hours ago, someone said:

Longevity can't be the reason. Sachin's longevity turned out to be weakness than strength.  After 2011 win, we saw the worse of him, his love for personal glory and stats. And then, the very best of Sachin still is behind Kohli. Also Kohli is entering his prime now, so many Sachin's record can be broken. Kolhi is a combo, influential batsman as Sachin and influential captain as Ganguly/Dhoni.

One match where he struggled against Bangla from ball 1 and still scored at a rate similar to Kohli that match is used to malign an Indian legend. You do not need to put down a legend to big up another (unless its Dhoni, you can put him down all you want)

[New guy]

38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

There can be a lot debate but somewere kohli is definately ahead of tendulkar and any batsman is chasing in LOI, the guys in thee best . Not only he chase well but he finishes

 

And another thing, i remeber i saw this video during india-england series were robery key pointed out that their were ways u cud tie down sachin but kohli....u just cant stop the runs. Kohli also doesnt let the pressure of milestine get to him, when tenduulkar played that gr8 innings of 175 ....before he started going he had a pressure of crossing 17k runs and he was very nervous and was taking a lot of time despite us chasing 350. And then his 100- 100

 

 

1) You are comparing the very rising point of Kohli with the setting point of Sachin. How can it be a fair comparison? When Sachin was rising in the 90s there were million such praises for him, all experts agreed he was better than others, etc, etc. It was only after he was popular for many years that with the coming of new batsmen people started putting him down. People have short term memories but Sachin was at the same peak Kohli is now. Even the milestone things which people make a big deal of was right at the end couple of years of his career. 

 

2) Since when do openers finish? Openers of which teams ever finish the match? Does Virat score 175 every time he finishes? That's the huge difference, he can finish on 90s and 120s, while an opener needs to score nearly 175+ to finish most times

 

3) Even when Kohli scores huge 100s he always has other batsmen contribute. Sachin mostly never had this luxury most of the time. Not to mention the bowling attacks which is much better

 

4) There are achievements like the only series win in Australia for India which Kohli is yet to achieve

 

In the end the hype for Kohli is the same as the hype for other legends including Sachin. Everyone starts praising them when they are at their peak and rising. Once they are top for years then the hate starts as fans of other younger players want to take the limelight. And as Sachin is put down one day Kohli will be too by the short visioned fans

 

 

Edited June 16, 2017 by New guy

[Rasgulla]

8 minutes ago, New guy said:

One match where he struggled against Bangla from ball 1 and still scored at a rate similar to Kohli that match is used to malign an Indian legend. You do not need to put down a legend to big up another (unless its Dhoni, you can put him down all you want)

Lol are you sure its just one ? Don't forget his mighty innings in 2007 wc 7 (26) ended up putting pressure on whole team.. should have got out on duck atleast

[Rasgulla]

5 minutes ago, New guy said:

1) You are comparing the very rising point of Kohli with the setting point of Sachin. How can it be a fair comparison? When Sachin was rising in the 90s there were million such praises for him, all experts agreed he was better than others, etc, etc. It was only after he was popular for many years that with the coming of new batsmen people started putting him down. People have short term memories but Sachin was at the same peak Kohli is now

 

2) Since when do openers finish? Openers of which teams ever finish the match? Does Virat score 175 every time he finishes? That's the huge difference, he can finish on 90s and 120s, while an opener needs to score nearly 175+ to finish most times

 

3) Even when Kohli scores huge 100s he always has other batsmen contribute. Sachin mostly never had this luxury most of the time. Not to mention the bowling attacks which is much better

 

4) There are achievements like the only series win in Australia for India which Kohli is yet to achieve

 

In the end the hype for Kohli is the same as the hype for other legends including Sachin. Everyone starts praising them when they are at their peak and rising. Once they are top for years then the hate starts as fans of other younger players want to take the limelight. And as Sachin is put down one day Kohli will be too by the short visioned fans

 

 

Ohh boyyy

 

1.When do openers finish ? When kohli is set ( 1 down pretty much same ) he takes the game till end and finishes it off.. he doesn't leave it for others or make sure he plays for his 100 no matter what the situation is.. He is a complete team guy.

 

2. Coming of new gen kids showed Indian fans how selfless they were and how to put team wins infront of personal milestones... proof of that can be seen in yesterdays match from virat

 

3.Sachin's peak is no where near kohli.. you got to be kidding me. Get me a year and compare to 2016 kohli had.. he would embarrasssssss him

 

4. Look at amount of games we won when he scores 100s and most of the time he single handedly did it. Even sachin has sehwag and dravid infact rohit and dhawan are less consistent.

 

5. Kohli smashed malinga like he was nothing in 2012 in AUS . we all know how sachin played malinga and proof of that can be seen in 2011 wc final.. same with ajmal ended up being his bunny. Virat has god knows how many 100s in AUS he owned last test series and he ll end up having his name in adilade ground. Sachin's name will be no where expect mumbai and rightly so.. Mumbai lobby

 

6. Even if kohli fails today or tomo he will always be remembered as a legend and a guy who played for India rather than personal milestones he has 50+ averages in all 3 formats please don't embarrass by comparing to a phony.  As a player Kohli is beyond everything 

 

About time that selfish record of 100 whatever will be gone and totally broken by the true legend of India Virat Kohli and completely erase those bad days of Ind cricket.

 

Jai hind

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

1) You are comparing the very rising point of Kohli with the setting point of Sachin. How can it be a fair comparison?

when sachin made 175 he was at his peek as well....check his scores during that phase

1 hour ago, New guy said:

2) Since when do openers finish? Openers of which teams ever finish the match? Does Virat score 175 every time he finishes? That's the huge difference, he can finish on 90s and 120s, while an opener needs to score nearly 175+ to finish most times

Kohli finishes - 183 asia cup. He pretty much finished the game . Btw openers n number there is not much of a diff

1 hour ago, New guy said:

3) Even when Kohli scores huge 100s he always has other batsmen contribute. Sachin mostly never had this luxury most of the time. Not to mention the bowling attacks which is much better

I agree on this . But can compare 2 same bowler they faced malinga n ajmal n kohli destroyed them . Now if kohli hasnt played mcgrath n akram what can we say.....

1 hour ago, New guy said:

 

4) There are achievements like the only series win in Australia for India which Kohli is yet to achieve

Achievements of series win is of a team, no one player can do it by himself 

1 hour ago, New guy said:

 

In the end the hype for Kohli is the same as the hype for other legends including Sachin. Everyone starts praising them when they are at their peak and rising. Once they are top for years then the hate starts as fans of other younger players want to take the limelight. And as Sachin is put down one day Kohli will be too by the short visioned fans

 

 

Not putting sachin down, but just saying every scenario can be debated but when it comes to chasing in ODi kohli is better, like wise tendulkar is a better test batsman

[Asim]

Honestly, Being Pakistani fans we never used to worry about Sachin, but Kohli every times seems biggest threat...

I remember in late 90s till 2000 when Pak, Ind were playing very frequently in many diff tournaments, how Sachin used to be almost like a walking wicket for Pakistan and how even bowlers like Azhar Mehmood and Abdul Razzaq used to regularly get his wicket cheaply... in those times, at least for us; Pakistani fans, he was Never even close of being a real match-winning threat like what Kohli is today...

[Gambit]

Kohli needs to have a monster ODI world cup and take India to the final to comprehensively settle this debate. He has under-performed in knock-outs against non-minnows in ICC tournaments: Tendulkar averages 48 and Kohli 34 and Tendulkar has played more than double the innings. Kohli's average in WC knockouts is even lower (17). While Tendulkar failed in two WC finals, he made 50+ scores in the 1996 SF, 2003 SF, 2011 QF and 2011 SF, basically performing in 4/7 WC knockout games. Kohli, while sample size is smaller, has failed in all 4 knock-out games. 

 

In the 1996 world cup (against non-minnows), Tendulkar scored more runs than the other top 3 run-getters from India PUT TOGETHER (Azhar, Manjrekar and Sidhu). In 2003, he top scored in 7 out of 11 games and of course, was the highest run getter. In 2011, a 38 year old Tendulkar scored more runs than Gambhir, Yuvraj etc at a higher SR than all (including Dhoni) except Sehwag. And FYI, he scored the second most runs (after Gambhir) for India in the knock-outs put together. No bonafide choker will have these numbers, that's for sure. 

[Gambit]

5 hours ago, Asim said:

Honestly, Being Pakistani fans we never used to worry about Sachin, but Kohli every times seems biggest threat...

I remember in late 90s till 2000 when Pak, Ind were playing very frequently in many diff tournaments, how Sachin used to be almost like a walking wicket for Pakistan and how even bowlers like Azhar Mehmood and Abdul Razzaq used to regularly get his wicket cheaply... in those times, at least for us; Pakistani fans, he was Never even close of being a real match-winning threat like what Kohli is today...

Strange that you allowed a walking wicket to be Man of the Match 3 times out of 5 against you guys in World Cups (including a WC semi-final).

[Unleashed]

People saying Kohli is better than SRT are too young to watch Sachin at his prime. No person who had to sit through 90's watching Sachin carrying that absolute joke of a middle order would ever make that comparison. 

 

Three factors which make the comparison stupid. 

1) The pitches weren't this flat. 220-230 used to be a good score more or less. Now days 300 is considered to be a good score. 

2) The bowling attacks. Aussies had Mcgrath and Warne. Saffers had Donald, Pollock. Pakistan had Waqar, Wasim, Shoaib. SL had Vaas, Murali. 

3) Indian batting was a joke. For the first ten years only Azhar and Jaddu were decent ODI players. Only after Ganguly and Dravid did he finally had support. 

 

 

[Unleashed]

5 hours ago, Asim said:

Honestly, Being Pakistani fans we never used to worry about Sachin, but Kohli every times seems biggest threat...

I remember in late 90s till 2000 when Pak, Ind were playing very frequently in many diff tournaments, how Sachin used to be almost like a walking wicket for Pakistan and how even bowlers like Azhar Mehmood and Abdul Razzaq used to regularly get his wicket cheaply... in those times, at least for us; Pakistani fans, he was Never even close of being a real match-winning threat like what Kohli is today...

The walking wicket took your best bowling attack in history to cleaners in a WC match. Pakistan seem to have an inferiority complex when it comes to Sachin.