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8 minutes ago, diga said:

sad... When will this end?

End? This will never end, just look at the history of the world, there is always some conflict or war going on, some times over land, sometimes over religion, sometimes over ideology. Mankind's history has been filled with violence since ancient times and this is not going to stop in the future too as the population is increasing and the resources are limited, true peace is a delusional utopia, it doesn't exist in real world, there will always be violence, war and terrorism in this world.

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From reddit.

 

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This happened right behind me and my family, we had just walked over London Bridge. Some guy stopped us and told us to call the police, we hadn't seen anything, but he had. We looked over the bridge and all we could see was a small group of people surrounding 2-3 people laying on the ground. The man told us that he had seen a van drive down some people and then drive on. Within a minute or two, atleast 7-8 police cars had arrived. We went back to our hotel and we are now watching the news trying to understand what happened. My condolences to everyone affected.

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I was at the incident at borough market. I was in one of the pubs having a drink and all of a sudden I see people running away from something outside. Next thing I know people are locking the doors in the pub. My first thought it was some kind of street fight or gang fight. I see a guy with a knife run past and stab someone. About 5min he comes back to the front of the pub and he opens his jacket and I can see something strapped to him like a bomb. Chaos, and we all run to the back of the pub to hide. We are upstairs hiding and hear gun shots straight away. They seem to have come through the pub window but I can't be certain. We sit and wait as we hear more gun shots, this time people shouting outside presumably police. The response time was incredible probably within 5 min. People inside are running around as someone was seriously injured downstairs and were looking for a med kit. 10 min later police are at the pub and tell everyone to run out. On my way out I see someone inside the pub by the front window lying with blood all over his head looks as though he had been shot in the head, but this wasn't the perpetrator. Presumably shot initially when the perpetrator was outside the pub but again I can't be sure. As we exit pub there are what seems like hundreds of police aiming guns away from the direction we were told to run. One corner after the other there was a police officer telling us where to run. I'm still amazed how quickly it was all set up and the response time.

 

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So many Muslims on social media including Indian Muslims are celebrating this ghastly act. How can you defeat terror when you have so much ground support for jihad? I like Shias, Sunnis are the problem here. I support Assad, Iran, Iraq....wonder why USA is bluffing about Iran being the leading exporter of terror while mollycoddling Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? 

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5 hours ago, kira said:

End? This will never end, just look at the history of the world, there is always some conflict or war going on, some times over land, sometimes over religion, sometimes over ideology. Mankind's history has been filled with violence since ancient times and this is not going to stop in the future too as the population is increasing and the resources are limited, true peace is a delusional utopia, it doesn't exist in real world, there will always be violence, war and terrorism in this world.

Kadva sach bola bhai.

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

So many Muslims on social media including Indian Muslims are celebrating this ghastly act. How can you defeat terror when you have so much ground support for jihad? I like Shias, Sunnis are the problem here. I support Assad, Iran, Iraq....wonder why USA is bluffing about Iran being the leading exporter of terror while mollycoddling Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? 

Yet they then have the audacity to claim it's nothing to do with their religion when its proven, after every atrocity, that it's Islamic terrorism.

 

 

 

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2 of the 3 terrorists named, one of them is a Brit Pakistani, Khurram Butt who also was the leader of the terror group that carried out the attack. Salute to Pakistan, Videsh me aatank ho yah paedophile grooming gangs ya phir narcotics, smuggling, robbery hamesha koi naa koi Pakistani ka haath hoga....Dil Dil Pakistan. 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/khuram-butt-rachid-redouane-london-attackers-identified-names-who-were-they-latest-bridge-terror-a7774216.html

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

2 of the 3 terrorists named, one of them is a Brit Pakistani, Khurram Butt who also was the leader of the terror group that carried out the attack. Salute to Pakistan, Videsh me aatank ho yah paedophile grooming gangs ya phir narcotics, smuggling, robbery hamesha koi naa koi Pakistani ka haath hoga....Dil Dil Pakistan. 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/khuram-butt-rachid-redouane-london-attackers-identified-names-who-were-they-latest-bridge-terror-a7774216.html

He was known to MI5, yet they took no action.

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Got to say amidst all this turmoil, hats off to Indian Muslims who have stayed out of IS inspired terrorism. :clap2: Hope it stays the same.

 

India has 18 crore Muslims(3rd highest behind Indonesia and Pakistan) and we are surrounded by Islamist hotbeds like Pak, AFG, Maldives, Bangladesh on all 4 sides. Many Muslims will feel aggrieved by their low standard of living, less economic opportunities, communal violence, Hindutva loonies, right wing government etc. Many Indians doubt the patriotism of Muslims living here, many are prejudiced against them, many don't even rent out their homes if the aspiring tenant is a Muslim.... In spite of all this and UPA misrule for 10 years which allowed ISI to branch out in India, almost all of our Muslim brothers/sisters have shunned terror. Every terrorist attack in India has been orchestrated by ISI, Pak sponsors, Pak Army etc, without external hand (Pak) I doubt we would have had a single Islamic terrorist attack in India(apart from Kashmir). And mind you our intel/police/anti terror ops are way way inferior to those in western countries who have faced countless terror acts on their soil. It is a testament to the patriotism of Indian Muslims that in the last 30 years not a single non Kashmiri Muslim has joined the Kashmiri separatists/terrorists, not one Muslim from outside Kashmir has joined Kashmir terrorist groups like JKLF, Hizb etc. 

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8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Got to say amidst all this turmoil, hats off to Indian Muslims who have stayed out of IS inspired terrorism. :clap2: Hope it stays the same.

 

India has 18 crore Muslims(3rd highest behind Indonesia and Pakistan) and we are surrounded by Islamist hotbeds like Pak, AFG, Maldives, Bangladesh on all 4 sides. Many Muslims will feel aggrieved by their low standard of living, less economic opportunities, communal violence, Hindutva loonies, right wing government etc. Many Indians doubt the patriotism of Muslims living here, many are prejudiced against them, many don't even rent out their homes if the aspiring tenant is a Muslim.... In spite of all this and UPA misrule for 10 years which allowed ISI to branch out in India, almost all of our Muslim brothers/sisters have shunned terror. Every terrorist attack in India has been orchestrated by ISI, Pak sponsors, Pak Army etc, without external hand (Pak) I doubt we would have had a single Islamic terrorist attack in India(apart from Kashmir). And mind you our intel/police/anti terror ops are way way inferior to those in western countries who have faced countless terror acts on their soil. It is a testament to the patriotism of Indian Muslims that in the last 30 years not a single non Kashmiri Muslim has joined the Kashmiri separatists/terrorists, not one Muslim from outside Kashmir has joined Kashmir terrorist groups like JKLF, Hizb etc. 

Are you unaware of how many Muslims from Kerala have gone to Syria?

 

They may not have attacked India yet but they have inflicted terror in other countries and it is only a matter of time before they do the same in India.

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26 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Are you unaware of how many Muslims from Kerala have gone to Syria?

 

They may not have attacked India yet but they have inflicted terror in other countries and it is only a matter of time before they do the same in India.

Yeah I know that 22 people from Kerala joined IS and got their paradise when MOAB landed on them, despicable scumbags. Around 60 people from India joined IS(acc to government). Assume that it is an understatement and triple the number, say 200. Considering our Muslim population is 18 crores, see the % !!!

 

For comparison(2015 figures) with other non Muslim majority and more developed countries; many more sources, not listing everything down

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_fighters_in_the_Syrian_and_Iraqi_Civil_Wars

http://time.com/4739488/isis-iraq-syria-tunisia-saudi-arabia-russia/

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/isis-losses-the-numbers

Russia Muslim pop=approx 90 lakhs....IS contribution=2500+

China M pop=3 crores...IS fighters=500+

Germany M pop=15 lakhs....IS fighters=1000+

France M pop=70 lakhs...IS fighters=800+

Belgium M pop=2 lakhs...IS fighters=600+ (see the % !!!!)

UK M pop=30 lakhs...IS fighters=900+

Netherlands M pop=8 lakhs...IS fighters=220+

Australia M pop=5 lakhs...IS fighters=200+

 

I went through foreign fighters from all countries. Apart from the 2 Americas India's % is the least, a few orders of magnitude lower than Europe, Oceania, Africa and rest of Asia (countries like Japan, Vatican City, Armenia, Angola, Costa Rica, Czech Republic,  South Korea, Antigua etc have M pop ranging from dozens to 100s, so ignoring that). Don't let hatemongers like Arnab Goswami and Rahul Shivshankar fool you. Indian Muslims have out rightly rejected IS, which considering their geographical, social and economic positions is staggering.

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