If both are in peak form - would you pick Irfan Pathan vs Hardik Pandya ?

[rkt.india]

Pathan had such a beautiful action when he debuted and he messed it up.

 

 

[Vijy]

28 minutes ago, MCcricket said:

Irfan Pathan had a good technique along with power, he played fast bowlers pretty well, for me he was among the few good BATSMEN we had for overseas.

The way his career ended was a mystery , also sad was his career coincided with Dhonis captaincy and he destroys bowlers confidence, also injury and changes in his action took it's toll.

Think V Shankar can be a decent allrounder as well batting wise he is among the top batters in Domestic ,game wise, bowling is decent and can only improve, he can move the ball n gets bounce.

his bowling is not decent. he is faster than ganguly and robin singh but in terms of his abilities, he's about the same. he's more of a part-timer than a batting all rounder in tests. in ODIs, if he can bat at a sufficiently high gear, he can be a batting all rounder.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Pathan had such a beautiful action when he debuted and he messed it up.

 

 

a classical swing bowler. reminds me more of the kumars in that respect, although their styles, builds, etc are different.

[rkt.india]

 

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

a classical swing bowler. reminds me more of the kumars in that respect, although their styles, builds, etc are different.

and he was quicker than those two on his debut.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

and he was quicker than those two on his debut.

yes, he was. but BK and PK were real trundlers when they first emerged, and PK still is.

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

 

brings up a nostalgic memories. if his career didn't end up so messed up, India would have had the perfect all-rounder at 7. he had a good temperament as a batsmen

[Pollack]

Hardik. Irfan was a bit over-rated even as a bowler. Yes, he was good. But that's about it.

[SK_IH]

i like @King Tendulkar's views, irfan was always a mediocre test cricketer, but had potential to be perfect utility cricketer in limited overs but sadly downward spiral started around 2007 

[rkt.india]

22 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

i like @King Tendulkar's views, irfan was always a mediocre test cricketer, but had potential to be perfect utility cricketer in limited overs but sadly downward spiral started around 2007 

it had started around 2005, not 2007

[SK_IH]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

it had started around 2005, not 2007

nahi yaar 2005-06 mein he was bowling well in odis ,picking early wkts but suddenly post champions trophy 2006 , he became inconsistent and also had had too many action tweaks 

[jf1gp_1]

as most have already said Pathan was a front-line bowler who could bat, we were so excited to hava an allrounder that we messed up the guy. add the whole greg chapter, injuries and we have full story. 

[speedheat]

I will go with hardick, peak or not peak he is much better bowler then irfan, irfan used to relied on swing, grass etc. i mean he was thrashed by "lallus" like afridi and hafeez.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, speedheat said:

I will go with hardick, peak or not peak he is much better bowler then irfan, irfan used to relied on swing, grass etc. i mean he was thrashed by "lallus" like afridi and hafeez.

Its easy to trash Irfan after the fact.  Pandya will also have his days where he gets spanked.   He went for 10 RPO in yesterday's T20 IIRC.   We shouldn't be too judgy on bowlers for conceding runs in LOI cricket - the game is structured in favor of batsmen, and bowlers are liable to have their share of bad days.   

 

Thought just occured to me - for all the stereotyping of the vegetarian, dhoka faafda eating Gujjus - Gujarat has given us 2 of India's best pace bowling "allrounder" candidates.   Gujju boys!!  

[someone]

Hardik hasn't even reached his peak, and that's why he is rated so highly. Have performed very well already in his early career.

[speedheat]

Its easy to trash Irfan after the fact.  Pandya will also have his days where he gets spanked.   He went for 10 RPO in yesterday's T20 IIRC.   We shouldn't be too judgy on bowlers for conceding runs in LOI cricket - the game is structured in favor of batsmen, and bowlers are liable to have their share of bad days.   

 

Thought just occured to me - for all the stereotyping of the vegetarian, dhoka faafda eating Gujjus - Gujarat has given us 2 of India's best pace bowling "allrounder" candidates.   Gujju boys!!  

But don't you think pandya is more reliable and all condition type bowler then pathan??? pathan was a trundler, below average and almost useless on flat pattas where as pandya can crank it up to 145k when needed and has done well on pattas too (ct 2017 final vs pak).They both are gujjus but i dont think they are veggies,especially pathan.

 

 

 

[sandeep]

37 minutes ago, speedheat said:

But don't you think pandya is more reliable and all condition type bowler then pathan??? pathan was a trundler, below average and almost useless on flat pattas where as pandya can crank it up to 145k when needed and has done well on pattas too (ct 2017 final vs pak).They both are gujjus but i dont think they are veggies,especially pathan.

 

You say that now.  Nobody thought of Pathan as a "trundler" after his first tour to Pakistan.   And for the first couple of years of his international career.  

 

Pak is not strong in batting, and can be kept quiet by bowling pacy short ones, which Pandya is good at.   If he bowls the same stuff to a Warner, Finch or AB/Faf, he may well get tonked.   He did go for a few runs against England at Eden IIRC.   

 

Pandya is a batsman who can bowl, he's going to have his share of trundlery thumpings.   I hope he doesn't, but lets see.  First 3-4 years of Pathan's career was quite decent.  

[cric_fan]

Pathan LOL

Pandya any day. My fav allrounder after Saqib.

[wanted_desi]

Hardik isn't even close to his peak, lets talk about it in few years. 

[mishra]

I like it. Gujju vs gujju