Bhuvi Kumar exposed

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

problem is the bowlers  cant bat so you cant play the best 5 bowlers

Ideally, in Indian conditions, we need a spinning alrounder, who can play as a 2nd spinner, more than a seam alrounder.  Seam alrounder is needed more overseas to play as a 4th seamer.  Because in India we will have to play 2 spinners and if we play a seam alrounder who is more of a batsman then it weakens our pace department, especially, when you have some someone like Shami sitting out and sweating it out in Ranji Trophy unnecessarily.

[Vilander]

19 minutes ago, Silva said:

hope Siraj gets a few games and has an instant impact the way bumrah did

is Siraj the only option what happened to nathu and ankit rajpoot.

[Vilander]

ok meaning t20 Siraj is in the squad.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

we dont encourage allrounders ,there are hardly any except krunal ,as a 2nd genuine spinner could be taken apart or maybe he can bowl some good sliders and straighter ones to righthanders.

Krunal did well this IPL with both bat and ball.  There is another one K Gowtham who is also a big hitting batsman plus an off spinner. We already have a leg spinner for right handers in Chahal and an off spinner will be more useful to tackle left handers,

[swastikpanda2]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

 

 

 s/r of ind  vs eng 

 

eng  batting over last 2 years

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
JE Root	2015-2017	54	50	6	2502	133*	56.86	2720	91.98	7	17	1	221	21
EJG Morgan	2015-2017	60	54	4	2076	121	41.52	2199	94.40	5	12	6	178	66
AD Hales	2015-2017	46	44	2	1731	171	41.21	1742	99.36	5	10	3	200	37
JJ Roy	2015-2017	48	47	2	1642	162	36.48	1582	103.79	3	11	4	201	21
JC Buttler	2015-2017	55	45	10	1503	129	42.94	1262	119.09	3	9	4	133	44
BA Stokes	2015-2017	38	35	6	1368	102*	47.17	1299	105.31	3	9	2	110	47
MM Ali	2015-2017	51	42	9	923	128	27.96	858	107.57	2	2	1	87	30

 

 

 

ind batting over 2 years

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	2015-2017	56	56	12	2822	154*	64.13	2985	94.53	11	12	2	242	38
RG Sharma	2015-2017	45	45	4	2455	171*	59.87	2566	95.67	10	11	3	224	75
S Dhawan	2015-2017	44	44	1	1824	137	42.41	1947	93.68	5	11	0	225	26
MS Dhoni	2015-2017	59	47	12	1634	134	46.68	1922	85.01	1	10	1	118	36
AM Rahane	2015-2017	42	40	2	1592	103	41.89	2001	79.56	1	16	1	156	17
KM Jadhav	2015-2017	36	25	7	777	120	43.16	705	110.21	2	3	2	82	15
HH Pandya	2016-2017	29	19	3	584	83	36.50	492	118.69	0	4	1	35	30
SK Raina	2015-2015	20	17	1	517	110*	32.31	520	99.42	1	4	2	42	14
MK Pandey	2015-2017	19	16	6	430	104*	43.00	449	95.76	1	2	2	37	4
Yuvraj Singh	2017-2017	11	10	1	372	150	41.33	377	98.67	1	1	0	46	7
AT Rayudu	2015-2016	10	9	3	370	124*	61.66	493	75.05	1	1	1	35	2
KL Rahul	2016-2017	10	9	2	248	100*	35.42	307	80.78	1	1	0	20	4

 

 

 

pretty clear rohit, kohli dhawan s/rs not as bad ,roy has been inconsistent as he plays too many shots .

 

 

Strike Rate Stats like this wont explain the point Bro. Let me do the maths here.

INDIA Avg(without not outs)

Rohit- Avg 54.55, Balls he will take  57

Dhawan- Avg 41.45, Balls he will take 44

Kohli- Avg 50.39, Balls he will take  54

MK Pandey- Avg 26.875, Balls he will take 28
Hardik PAndya- Avg 30.73, Balls he will take  26

Jadhav- Avg-31.08,Balls he will take 28

Dhoni- Avg- 34.76, Balls he will take 41

 

India 270 in 278 balls , (RR-5.84)

 

ENGLAND

Roy-Avg 34.93, Balls he will take 34

Hales-Avg 39.34, Balls he will take 40

Root-Avg 50.04, Balls he will take 55

Morgan-Avg 38.44, Balls he will take 41

Stokes-Avg 39.08, Balls he will take 37

Butler-Avg 33.4, Balls he will take 28

Ali-Avg 21.97, Balls he will take 21

 

England 257 in 256 balls (RR-6.06)

 

India would have made 246 runs in 256 balls. Extrapolate it to 50 overs. England are 10-15 runs ahead everytime. And remember they are playing 6 bowlers with Wood, Plunkett, Rashid, Woakes, Ali, Stokes whereas we are playing an extra batsman in Kedar Jadhav.

 

 

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, Vilander said:

is Siraj the only option what happened to nathu and ankit rajpoot.

Rajpoot is good too, can bowl good yorkers. Nathu is still rehabbing after he suffered a back stress fracture during IPL. The video I had posted of him working out in the gym with light weight was a rehab process for his back.

[swastikpanda2]

4 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

i know they would be ahead but the diff is not as big you portrayed before and eng is going through a great odi batting phase not many can play like that

Then why we need to follow their suite of playing deep batting line up? Look mate we didn't had batting problem earlier when Dhoni was captain.We had problems with bowling. The problem was with our bowling esp death bowling. Then Aswin/ Jaddu were quite good in middle overs ( before 15wc). Now we have solved our death bowling but have created a new one i.e; no proper third seamer in line up.

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, swastikpanda2 said:

The Top teams you are speaking about have Roy (SR 104), Alex Hales (SR 97), Warner (sr 97), Finch (sr 90) and We have Dhawan (sr 92), Rohit Sharma (sr 86). You made the sense in last part. Dhawan and Rohit are not gonna anywhere. They will play same tuk tuk single tuk tuk with occasional boundaries. So we have to choose our team combination with our line up not looking at English lineup. If we are not gonna play explosive then better play a batsman short and bowler extra to defend the total.

 

Even if we are imitating English then also we should be playing Pandya in top 6 like Stokes does and have to find our Moeen Ali ( Krunal Pandya). What the hell are we doing with just 5 bowlers?? English have 6 bowlers (stokes, woakes, ali, rashid, wood, plunkett).
We have one of the ****ed team balance right now in the world even after having quality players. That's for sure.

Thing is, I still believe that our batsmen are capable of better, but don't due to team strategy.  Rohit Sharma, for instance, is simply a better batsman than a Finch/Roy or Hales.  But those guys approach their innings in ODI with a specific mindset - they are tasked to score at 7+ RPO in the 1st 10.  And if they manage to survive past the 10 overs, then they have earned the right for a big innings, and get the opportunity to do so.  Its phucking reverse gravity in our team - our top 3 are shamelessly allowed to "get their eye in" so that they can "go big".  So what if you just wasted opportunities to max out the team score, you can focus on maxing out your personal score, and claim that its best for the team.   

 

And you'll have clueless fans chest-beating about the middle order "not doing enough".  

[swastikpanda2]

16 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

most teams has deep batting not just eng but eng are the most explosive so ppl want to be like them ,realistically i dont think you can match them but there is no harm in aiming to be the best.

Eng also have the shittiest bowling line up. The best team SA does not play a batsman/ batting allrounder/ all rounder at No. 7. They have pretty good bowling line up

Phehlulkawayo( bowling all rounder), Morris, Rabada, Morkel, Tahir.

Edited October 30, 2017 by swastikpanda2

[rkt.india]

27 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

i am not so sure if krunal and gowtham can be consistent and if another bowler gets hit you would be in trouble like in this match

i will have Pandya too batting at 6 and giving another bowling option.

[express bowling]

Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

Edited October 30, 2017 by express bowling

[sandeep]

44 minutes ago, swastikpanda2 said:

Eng also have the shittiest bowling line up. The best team SA does not play a batsman/ batting allrounder/ all rounder at No. 7. They have pretty good bowling line up

Phehlulkawayo( bowling all rounder), Morris, Rabada, Morkel, Tahir.

Phelukwayo and Morris aren't exactly top shelf bowlers.   And SA is lucky to have QdK as their Keeper.   There is no 'perfect' team on the circuit.  England have the weakest bowling, Australia have a fragile batting order, while SA really don't have that 6th bowling option, or even a decent 5th one.   

 

My problem is that even in this sea of mediocrity, a team like India, which has so much talent at its disposal, is blatantly underachieving on the batting side of things.  

[maniac]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

England team after wc 2015 has become a benchmark not the one during or prior.

 

England has since then uncovered potential of players like Hales,Stokes,Woakes,Jos Butler, Jason Roy etc etc 

 

They almost won the WT20 2016 if not for that freakish last over.

 

Now They may  still not be world beaters and have problems but given where England was before Wc 2015 and where they are now it’s a huge upgrade.

 

[Laaloo]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Why is the England ODI team such a benchmark suddenly  ?

 

England is ranked 4th in the ICC ODI rankings and we are ranked  2nd.

 

England was a semifinalist in CT17 and we were the runners-up

 

England did not make it to the semifinals of WC 15 and we did.

 

England lost to us in the last bilateral ODI series between us a year back.

 

Whatever dashing approach they are taking, upfront or otherwise,is not working that well for them .

I think most of us want to replicate the approach while batting that England has changed. Their bowling is crap though.

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, maniac said:

They almost won the WT20 2016 if not for that freakish last over.

 

 

We are talking about ODIs here.

 

T20s require a different approach.

 

We are a mediocre T20I side and can learn from 4 or 5 teams including England.

[express bowling]

27 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

I think most of us want to replicate the approach while batting that England has changed. Their bowling is crap though.

 

I feel that one issue with our batters trying to replicate the first 7-over hitting is that ....  our batters these days are not comfortable against swing. Even a little bit of swing makes them uncomfortable and they often end up losing their wickets.

[swastikpanda2]

58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Phelukwayo and Morris aren't exactly top shelf bowlers.   And SA is lucky to have QdK as their Keeper.   There is no 'perfect' team on the circuit.  England have the weakest bowling, Australia have a fragile batting order, while SA really don't have that 6th bowling option, or even a decent 5th one.   

 

My problem is that even in this sea of mediocrity, a team like India, which has so much talent at its disposal, is blatantly underachieving on the batting side of things.  

Moris > Axar Patel. We could have tried Shardul Thakur at 9 and Bhuvi at No.8. But Kaptaan wants a bowling all rounder at No. 8 who can get his overs done economically and can give hope of pseudo deep batting line up.

 

We do have a balance problem. And we lost the CT Final by playing Jadeja instead of Shami. I don't see any hope of playing a proper 3rd seamer while playing outside SC by looking at the combination we had in CT. 

 

I feel we play a phucking pseudo deep batting line up on cards to hide mediocre players like DK, Jadhav, Dhoni.

Edited October 30, 2017 by swastikpanda2

[maniac]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

We are talking about ODIs here.

 

T20s require a different approach.

 

We are a mediocre T20I side and can learn from 4 or 5 teams including England.

I am talking about their mindset in general to how they approach the limited overs format...their batting line up from 1-8  is definitely exciting...yes bowling is very weak.

 

They have someone like Moeen Ali who is coming in at 8 who can hit 100s at 100+ s/r

 

but Yes Moeen Ali,Stokes,Woakes are fantastic allrounders but if they are 3 out of your 5 bowlers that also has a downside.

 

This change of mindset since 2015 wc is what is turning heads...they are not no.1 agreed but clearly they are the most entertaining LOI side in the world and given where they are we tend to magnify it even more.

Edited October 30, 2017 by maniac

[express bowling]

20 minutes ago, maniac said:

I am talking about their mindset in general to how they approach the limited overs format...their batting line up from 1-8  is definitely exciting...yes bowling is very weak.

 

They have someone like Moeen Ali who is coming in at 8 who can hit 100s at 100+ s/r

 

but Yes Moeen Ali,Stokes,Woakes are fantastic allrounders but if they are 3 out of your 5 bowlers that also has a downside.

 

This change of mindset since 2015 wc is what is turning heads...they are not no.1 agreed but clearly they are the most entertaining LOI side in the world and given where they are we tend to magnify it even more.

 

We need some big hitters from 4 to 7.

 

And tell atleast one of the openers to be more pro-active after the ball stops swinging. 

[SecondSlip]