Dhoni vs Bevan, Who is/was the greatest finisher

[raki05]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Logical, ur every post objective is to take a pot shot at dhoni . 

The day he doesnt promote- ohh he is scared

The day he does- oh it was easy he came to hog limelight, u dumb no Wc final is easy. U knw who came in the easiest position yuvraj on that day

 

Just to take a pot shot on him ull want youngsters to not be tested, indian jaye bhaad men dhoni ko gaali deni hai 

 

Look at ur profile- any1 but dhoni n chuskis

 

Sharam kru kisliye that m defending someone who has been of the best Odi player in history n still performing. Who has had one bad yr in entire career when people hardly have 4-5 good in entire career. 

 

Keep ur frustation with u, n learn to calm urself ull need it he aint going anywere. 

Why do you reqire to defend him, no body is crucifying him.Thats the problem if someone is putting forward his opinion for Dhoni,you are taking it as personal insult. He is great but he is no bigger thsn team you yourself said team is about 11 player but you never miss a chance to remind that what a legend he is, as if all the good thing in indian cricket happen only because of him, if so, he has to bear responsblity for bad performances  as well. BTW stick to the topic , iremember game against nz or eng where bevan did a partnership with Bickal when Aus was in shambolic situation in a wc match  i remember few other instances where in wc where aus lookmvompletely out of the game and he single handadly brought them in. I remember dhoni also played one such inning against depleted sl bowlerm and so much for his strike rate where he couldn't  able to win a game against wi and zim in last over.

[Cricketics]

4 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Another post with a lot of gibberish. So i want India to be in the best position to win the next WC and I don't see dhoni as a fit and India jaaye bhaad mein. It's a forum. I'm allowed to express my views. Tu kuch sharam kar na. Chamchagiri karne ke jlawa kuch aata bhi hai? And I never said dhoni came at the easiest position. I'm arguing the fact that he didn't came when it was needed right after Sachin got out. tujhe kuch samajh aata hai ki nahi. 

 

 

And surprise surprise you didn't reply to what I said about pant. 

 

Of course he's not going anywhere. Jab haarenge WC iski wajah se tab mujhe bolna ki India jaaye bhaad mein. Tab Tak toh Tere jaise Chamche ko aur kuch bahane mil jayenge. I mean the chamchas have already excused dhoni in t20s saying he's a specialist wk.

In oneday he is fine. Not in t20. Ankit Sharma ne sahi likha hai. There is nothing wrong with having Dhoni in 50 overs at least for now.

[raki05]

7 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Dhoni. 

Based on major events cannot just be the world cups + ICC champions trophy. Too small a sample space and its basically reducing the career of 300+ matches to 20-odd matches. 

Exactly, but thats the general opinion,if you are not good at foreign pitches, icc events or against major opponent you are not good enough. Another thing other than inning against pak where yuvi also played blinder and few inning against SL, what are some good inning which he played against Aus, sa, eng or nz.  As i remember few matches where he took the game till last over unnecessarily  and rather than winning we have to compromise with a tie,i think that was against Aus.

[raki05]

12 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Which major event or against bowling attack did Bevan do it?

2 wc sf, 96,99 is on top of my head agains good wi attack and sa and than on of the match against eng or nz which is on top of my head for wc. Than he has played few very good inning against nz and wi in Aus tri series where aus were 6-83 and 6-38 , while chasing and he took them home. Than his famos 185 not out against world 11 while chasing. I remember few other inning he played against india in india  in series decider to won it for aus, there were one similar inning against Sa in centurian park where he played decisive role in series decider. I know he was not a hard hitter like old Dhoni, but p,ayed some really good inning in crucial moment against all major opponent  in their own backyard.

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only a common 'friend' could answer that 

[Cricketics]

23 minutes ago, raki05 said:

2 wc sf, 96,99 is on top of my head agains good wi attack and sa and than on of the match against eng or nz which is on top of my head for wc. Than he has played few very good inning against nz and wi in Aus tri series where aus were 6-83 and 6-38 , while chasing and he took them home. Than his famos 185 not out against world 11 while chasing. I remember few other inning he played against india in india  in series decider to won it for aus, there were one similar inning against Sa in centurian park where he played decisive role in series decider. I know he was not a hard hitter like old Dhoni, but p,ayed some really good inning in crucial moment against all major opponent  in their own backyard.

Dude Dhoni has many centuries, just youtube search, not even google search, youtube search and you will easily find links to few centuries on youtube. I will not even help you with that as its easy to locate since you are asking for Dhon's knock against Aus.

 

Also you got to remember, not everytime he will score centuries since he often came late in a line up where there were other guys also scoring big runs, yet he reached a lot of 50s.

 

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[raki05]

9 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Dude Dhoni has many centuries, just youtube search, not even google search, youtube search and you will easily find links to few centuries on youtube. I will not even help you with that as its easy to locate since you are asking for Dhon's knock against Aus.

 

Also you got to remember, not everytime he will score centuries since he often came late in a line up where there were other guys also scoring big runs, yet he reached a lot of 50s.

 

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Where did i talk abt centuries? I dint ask only against aus or any specific country, i ask abt major tournaments  or mercurial event or against good opponents. Run and avg should not be only important thing there should be a context to it. 

[The Dark Horse]

Bevan's record in all positions

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=2002

By opponent:

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerOpponents_ODI.asp?PlayerID=2002

Dhoni by opponent:

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerOpponents_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3243

Dhoni by batting position

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerPositions_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3243

 

As we can see there's not much between these two. Dhoni would have batted well if he came up the order, so would have Bevan. However in a 50/5 scenario needing 280 to win, I'd back Bevan than Dhoni.

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Another post with a lot of gibberish. So i want India to be in the best position to win the next WC and I don't see dhoni as a fit and India jaaye bhaad mein. It's a forum. I'm allowed to express my views. Tu kuch sharam kar na. Chamchagiri karne ke jlawa kuch aata bhi hai? And I never said dhoni came at the easiest position. I'm arguing the fact that he didn't came when it was needed right after Sachin got out. tujhe kuch samajh aata hai ki nahi. 

 

 

And surprise surprise you didn't reply to what I said about pant. 

 

Of course he's not going anywhere. Jab haarenge WC iski wajah se tab mujhe bolna ki India jaaye bhaad mein. Tab Tak toh Tere jaise Chamche ko aur kuch bahane mil jayenge. I mean the chamchas have already excused dhoni in t20s saying he's a specialist wk.

Hahaha see i told u , ur cricket understanding is till an individual. No indiviual can loose u WC

There are bigger problem then Dhoni going in Wc strating from kohli's captaincy only.

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Why do you reqire to defend him, no body is crucifying him.Thats the problem if someone is putting forward his opinion for Dhoni,you are taking it as personal insult. He is great but he is no bigger thsn team you yourself said team is about 11 player but you never miss a chance to remind that what a legend he is, as if all the good thing in indian cricket happen only because of him, if so, he has to bear responsblity for bad performances  as well. BTW stick to the topic , iremember game against nz or eng where bevan did a partnership with Bickal when Aus was in shambolic situation in a wc match  i remember few other instances where in wc where aus lookmvompletely out of the game and he single handadly brought them in. I remember dhoni also played one such inning against depleted sl bowlerm and so much for his strike rate where he couldn't  able to win a game against wi and zim in last over.

have u seen the threads here.

M i reaallly taking it is a personal interest ?? i think i have the authority to my personal opinion and let me have it to 

 

When have i ever said that he is bigger then team, no one is no one was and that what am the so called moderator he is making it about one person 

 

About the topic i have given my opinion ill choose dhoni and even hussey over bevan 

[Pollack]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

There are bigger problem then Dhoni going in Wc strating from kohli's captaincy only.

 

So, if there are bigger problem one must let smaller problems screw . After all one must get screwed by  bigger problems only.

 

 

[Pollack]

4 hours ago, SK_IH said:

There is nothing called finisher in cricket ,there is only batting ,bowling & fielding ffs 

This finisher thing always gets on my nerves ,any capable batsman who is set can stay till the end and end games ,there is no special quality attached to it,you cannot hail someone as finisher just because he tries to stay till the end and gives hitting duty to his partner,apart from his early years this is what he has done and also inspired others of this generation to follow the same

If I had to compare between Dhoni n Bevan,I ll say Dhoni surpassed him long back,but not because of this finisher crap but because of his general understanding of odi batting/situations and he had more gears for this format

Lol if finisher doesn't make sense to you and if understanding of situations/odi batting is into consideration then I may fear Bevan is almost neck to neck or arguably even better than dhoni.

N.B: Bevan has good understanding of ODI batting for his era and for his role in middle order. He did not unnecessarily make a match out of a easy win and win it in last over dramatically. Neither did he went for glory shOts in a bid to finish matches in hurry.Seems to me better understanding of ODI than dhoni.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Pollack said:

So, if there are bigger problem one must let smaller problems screw . After all one must get screwed by  bigger problems only.

 

 

Smaller problems

1. apart from kohli everyone struggles against moving ball- solve kre kya nikal de

2. rohit starts slowly ye bhi 1 smaller problem hai

3. Kohli captaincy is a huge one

4. kuldeep inconsistency 

5. jadhav

 

There are enough smaller problem to but those can be adjusted. But if ur concerned bout smaller probelm u can strt addressing them 

2 hours ago, Cricketics said:

In oneday he is fine. Not in t20. Ankit Sharma ne sahi likha hai. There is nothing wrong with having Dhoni in 50 overs at least for now.

Always said he is not needed in t20........he has been utter below avg 

[SK_IH]

14 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Lol if finisher doesn't make sense to you and if understanding of situations/odi batting is into consideration then I may fear Bevan is almost neck to neck or arguably even better than dhoni.

N.B: Bevan has good understanding of ODI batting for his era and for his role in middle order. He did not unnecessarily make a match out of a easy win and win it in last over dramatically. Neither did he went for glory shOts in a bid to finish matches in hurry.Seems to me better understanding of ODI than dhoni.

Good for you,you are entitled to your opinion though I agree mostly took the game deep unnecessarily and left others to do hitting bit ,so that he can stay there till the end & ensure victory,that was his method,many call him selfish for that 

 

Dhoni's legacy as an ODI batsman is more than just this vague term called finisher,which I thought hampered his career as he started believing in this madness of a finisher ,he would been even more successfull if played in top 4 player in odi cricket ,for me a much better batsman in odi cricket than many let alone Bevan 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, raki05 said:

Exactly, but thats the general opinion,if you are not good at foreign pitches, icc events or against major opponent you are not good enough. Another thing other than inning against pak where yuvi also played blinder and few inning against SL, what are some good inning which he played against Aus, sa, eng or nz.  As i remember few matches where he took the game till last over unnecessarily  and rather than winning we have to compromise with a tie,i think that was against Aus.

Sorry but the bolded part is NOT your initial claim. 

You narrowed it right down to Tri-series, world cups and ICC knockouts. Knowing fully well that nobody from the 2000s+ era can compete with the stalwarts of that era, simply because we don't do tri-series anymore and back in the 90s (Bevan's era), it was dime-a-dozen. 

However if you wish to consider away pitches, ICC events and major opponents, then Dhoni does come out on top of Bevan, quite easily so. 

[Rasgulla]

7 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Another post with a lot of gibberish. So i want India to be in the best position to win the next WC and I don't see dhoni as a fit and India jaaye bhaad mein. It's a forum. I'm allowed to express my views. Tu kuch sharam kar na. Chamchagiri karne ke jlawa kuch aata bhi hai? And I never said dhoni came at the easiest position. I'm arguing the fact that he didn't came when it was needed right after Sachin got out. tujhe kuch samajh aata hai ki nahi. 

 

 

And surprise surprise you didn't reply to what I said about pant. 

 

Of course he's not going anywhere. Jab haarenge WC iski wajah se tab mujhe bolna ki India jaaye bhaad mein. Tab Tak toh Tere jaise Chamche ko aur kuch bahane mil jayenge. I mean the chamchas have already excused dhoni in t20s saying he's a specialist wk.

Coming from you is funny..  stick to lunge,bot,moveon and repeat 

 

@speedheat virgin bot v2 ll help you with that.. He gets kicked around like football these days

[Rasgulla]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Logical, ur every post objective is to take a pot shot at dhoni . 

The day he doesnt promote- ohh he is scared

The day he does- oh it was easy he came to hog limelight, u dumb no Wc final is easy. U knw who came in the easiest position yuvraj on that day

 

Just to take a pot shot on him ull want youngsters to not be tested, indian jaye bhaad men dhoni ko gaali deni hai 

 

Look at ur profile- any1 but dhoni n chuskis

 

Sharam kru kisliye that m defending someone who has been of the best Odi player in history n still performing. Who has had one bad yr in entire career when people hardly have 4-5 good in entire career. 

 

Keep ur frustation with u, n learn to calm urself ull need it he aint going anywere. 

Why would you even bother arguing with a clown like that.. you know his agenda 

[Rasgulla]

12 hours ago, Vilander said:

How do you  say that?  By being white? 

So he is basically saying Inds are beneath them goras such a bad mindset from that sachin obsessed teenager.. "king tendo" 

[Shunya]

bhai @Ankit_sharma03 dont get sucked into this...the mob uses such threads on weekly basis to fulfill their agenda. Since Dhoni does not play all forms of cricket, it is necessary to use such threads to vent out their frustration. There is no logical discussion here, they have to make sure they do "Dhoni hai hai" till the time he retires. Lot of butthurt chamchas since years. There is no end to the hate. As you figured out already, the narrative is Dhoni is already the reason for the 2019 WC loss.  Kya logic ki baat karoge inse.

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 minutes ago, Shunya said:

bhai @Ankit_sharma03 dont get sucked into this...the mob uses such threads on weekly basis to fulfill their agenda. Since Dhoni does not play all forms of cricket, it is necessary to use such threads to vent out their frustration. There is no logical discussion here, they have to make sure they do "Dhoni hai hai" till the time he retires. Lot of butthurt chamchas since years. There is no end to the hate. As you figured out already, the narrative is Dhoni is already the reason for the 2019 WC loss.  Kya logic ki baat karoge inse.

 

1 hour ago, Rasgulla said:

Why would you even bother arguing with a clown like that.. you know his agenda 

Sahi bola 

Bhains ke aage been bajane wali feeling aayi mujhe

 

[Rasgulla]

25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Sahi bola 

Bhains ke aage been bajane wali feeling aayi mujhe

 

You tried to have a normal conversation with that clown before.. Did you get anything good out of it ? You are wasting time writing essays after essays and that clown won't even read it. He ll post his ususal gibberish. Loser lived his life here attacking people with his mob. You are better off spending that time replying to someone else...