New guy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 14 minutes ago, speedheat said: Improved bowler in last 3 years averages 24/26/23 in 2015/2016/2017 All at home. His length seems off overseas on such pitches Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: India needs an able partner for Bhvi as he is the only one looks good with new ball. Ishant, Shami, Pandya, Bumra none of them are good enough with new ball. This is where we miss a genuine swing bowler like Zaheer. Imagine Zak and Bhuvi opening the spell here or even RP singh. It would have been all over for SA now. You don't need a swing bowler but seam bowler who can bowl right areas. None of the bk's wickets were due to swing but seam off the deck. New guy 1 Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, New guy said: All at home. His length seems off overseas on such pitches Yes but don't forget pitches at home don't offer much for pacers especially genuine pacers like shami, despite that those are some impressive averages. express bowling 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, speedheat said: Yes but don't forget pitches at home don't offer much for pacers especially genuine pacers like shami, despite that those are some impressive averages. He just needs to pull back his length a bit Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, speedheat said: Yes but don't forget pitches at home don't offer much for pacers especially genuine pacers like shami, despite that those are some impressive averages. Our pacers tend to do well at home. Kapil, Srinath, Ishant, Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav all have better averages at home. Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Mohammed Shami 2013-2017 10 20 304.2 57 946 38 5/47 9/118 24.89 3.10 48.0 1 0 B Kumar 2013-2017 11 21 234.3 52 708 27 5/48 8/96 26.22 3.01 52.1 1 0 N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 65 119 2035.1 467 5803 219 9/83 11/146 26.49 2.85 55.7 11 2 J Srinath 1994-2002 32 57 1005.0 248 2874 108 8/86 13/132 26.61 2.85 55.8 5 1 BKV Prasad 1996-2001 11 22 332.5 88 844 27 6/33 6/87 31.25 2.53 73.9 2 0 M Prabhakar 1984-1995 16 27 241.4 58 723 23 4/82 5/100 31.43 2.99 63.0 0 0 UT Yadav 2011-2017 21 42 577.2 104 1829 58 4/32 7/103 31.53 3.16 59.7 0 0 KD Ghavri 1974-1980 27 50 783.2 165 2432 77 5/33 7/120 31.58 3.10 61.0 3 0 RB Desai 1959-1965 18 31 646.1 118 1860 57 6/56 8/190 32.63 2.87 68.0 1 0 RMH Binny 1979-1987 18 25 295.0 48 984 29 6/56 8/101 33.93 3.33 61.0 1 0 I Sharma 2007-2017 32 59 958.4 211 2777 80 5/118 7/58 34.71 2.89 71.9 1 0 Z Khan 2000-2012 38 70 1218.1 258 3731 104 5/72 8/137 35.87 3.06 70.2 3 0 S Madan Lal 1974-1983 18 31 384.1 80 1069 28 5/23 6/47 38.17 2.78 82.3 2 0 S Sreesanth 2006-2010 11 21 345.5 60 1226 31 5/75 6/122 39.54 3.54 66.9 1 0 IK Pathan 2004-2008 14 26 440.2 101 1359 27 3/34 5/140 50.33 3.08 97.8 0 0 Zak was only useless one. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 22 minutes ago, rkt.india said: You don't need a swing bowler but seam bowler who can bowl right areas. None of the bk's wickets were due to swing but seam off the deck. Didn't watch the match. But commentary suggests there was a bit of movement. 0.3 and India strike in the first over! A perfect comeback from Bhuvneshwar. After two leg side deliveries, he finds the one that seams away. 2.6 given! Two wickets in two overs from Bhuvneshwar. Markram doesn't review. And India have two in three overs. This one has seamed back in prodigiously after pitching, the previous ones moved away. 4.5 135 kph, Amla edges off and South Africa are tottering! Good length outside off, it moves away late, but Amla rather inexplicably jabs at it. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, speedheat said: Yes but don't forget pitches at home don't offer much for pacers especially genuine pacers like shami, despite that those are some impressive averages. May be it is kookaburra thing. Did they practice enough with those balls? Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: May be it is kookaburra thing. Did they practice enough with those balls? No don't think so they practice with kookaburra ball enough, but the point of the thread is those horrific 73 and 49 avg. op has mentioned was in 2014 when shami was not shami and was struggling with his length and pace,he has worked on all his shortcoming since then, yes fitness let's him down but its unnecessary to bash shami on that. Link to comment
adi B Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Good comeback by him post lunch session.most economical Link to comment
speedheat Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: Our pacers tend to do well at home. Kapil, Srinath, Ishant, Shami, Bhuvi, Yadav all have better averages at home. Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 Mohammed Shami 2013-2017 10 20 304.2 57 946 38 5/47 9/118 24.89 3.10 48.0 1 0 B Kumar 2013-2017 11 21 234.3 52 708 27 5/48 8/96 26.22 3.01 52.1 1 0 N Kapil Dev 1978-1994 65 119 2035.1 467 5803 219 9/83 11/146 26.49 2.85 55.7 11 2 J Srinath 1994-2002 32 57 1005.0 248 2874 108 8/86 13/132 26.61 2.85 55.8 5 1 BKV Prasad 1996-2001 11 22 332.5 88 844 27 6/33 6/87 31.25 2.53 73.9 2 0 M Prabhakar 1984-1995 16 27 241.4 58 723 23 4/82 5/100 31.43 2.99 63.0 0 0 UT Yadav 2011-2017 21 42 577.2 104 1829 58 4/32 7/103 31.53 3.16 59.7 0 0 KD Ghavri 1974-1980 27 50 783.2 165 2432 77 5/33 7/120 31.58 3.10 61.0 3 0 RB Desai 1959-1965 18 31 646.1 118 1860 57 6/56 8/190 32.63 2.87 68.0 1 0 RMH Binny 1979-1987 18 25 295.0 48 984 29 6/56 8/101 33.93 3.33 61.0 1 0 I Sharma 2007-2017 32 59 958.4 211 2777 80 5/118 7/58 34.71 2.89 71.9 1 0 Z Khan 2000-2012 38 70 1218.1 258 3731 104 5/72 8/137 35.87 3.06 70.2 3 0 S Madan Lal 1974-1983 18 31 384.1 80 1069 28 5/23 6/47 38.17 2.78 82.3 2 0 S Sreesanth 2006-2010 11 21 345.5 60 1226 31 5/75 6/122 39.54 3.54 66.9 1 0 IK Pathan 2004-2008 14 26 440.2 101 1359 27 3/34 5/140 50.33 3.08 97.8 0 0 Zak was only useless one. Frankly missing your point bro on this!! What's your point how its related to this thread ?? Avg. 73/49/ that op mentioned was in 2014, he has improved since then, so its unnecessary to bash him now on that, also I guess this is his first major series away from home since his improvement. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 31 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Didn't watch the match. But commentary suggests there was a bit of movement. 0.3 and India strike in the first over! A perfect comeback from Bhuvneshwar. After two leg side deliveries, he finds the one that seams away. 2.6 given! Two wickets in two overs from Bhuvneshwar. Markram doesn't review. And India have two in three overs. This one has seamed back in prodigiously after pitching, the previous ones moved away. 4.5 135 kph, Amla edges off and South Africa are tottering! Good length outside off, it moves away late, but Amla rather inexplicably jabs at it. Yes, seam movement Link to comment
WC2011INDIA Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 good odi bowler but overrated as hell in tests. Umesh is opposite but nowadays he has become rahane of bowlers. Bhuvneshwar has improved leaps and bounds. Bumrah is great odi bowler. So far has been meh in his 1st test. Link to comment
Mosher Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Much better spell from Shami after tea. express bowling 1 Link to comment
AmreekanDesi Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Doing well. dunno what people are on we had Saffers on ropes Link to comment
saik Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Shami usually starts off wayward but gets better the more he bowls. express bowling 1 Link to comment
New guy Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 1 hour ago, AmreekanDesi said: Doing well. dunno what people are on we had Saffers on ropes If he had taken one single wicket first session, SA would have been out below 200 LORD_analyst 1 Link to comment
LORD_analyst Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, New guy said: If he had taken one single wicket first session, SA would have been out below 200 he needs to bowl fuller ...back-of-length only works in sub-continent..also tries too hard to get lbw ,coz of which gets flicked for fours Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 hours ago, LORD_analyst said: he needs to bowl fuller ...back-of-length only works in sub-continent..also tries too hard to get lbw ,coz of which gets flicked for fours He actually was bowling Fuller and needs to pull his length back. None of BK's wickets were on full deliveries. Ball doesn't swing in SA, so, needs to make use of seam movement. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 11 hours ago, saik said: Shami usually starts off wayward but gets better the more he bowls. Because he lacks intensity in the nets. Link to comment
Lannister Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 He takes time to adjust to new conditions. Kohli needs to give him long spells, while rotating bowlers at the other end. Link to comment
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