Shubman Gill is a World Cup 2019 prospect, should be picked for England tour

[bowl_out]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

ok, what next? lets fastrack this boy too.

 

 

I got 1072 in book cricket

[cowboysfan]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Least convincing player is Iyer. It is all exciting to see him throw the bat and play everything on the up. But his game is way way risky game at the highest level. Also he goes right across the stumps too often.  I rate even Prithvi shaw above him. I don't see him having a long career. Even Pant is only good for T20 now. Head position, feet movement, trigger movement, follow through.. so many aspects to gel together to be a good batsman. If you have superior reflexes you can get away like Smith. Some of the basic ingredients have to be in place. Shaw/Gill have it. Iyer/Pant don't have. 

extremely unimpressed with iyer,he will found out soon  if he doesnt fix his footwork.

[Vk1]

9 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Least convincing player is Iyer. It is all exciting to see him throw the bat and play everything on the up. But his game is way way risky game at the highest level. Also he goes right across the stumps too often.  I rate even Prithvi shaw above him. I don't see him having a long career. Even Pant is only good for T20 now. Head position, feet movement, trigger movement, follow through.. so many aspects to gel together to be a good batsman. If you have superior reflexes you can get away like Smith. Some of the basic ingredients have to be in place. Shaw/Gill have it. Iyer/Pant don't have. 

How do you think he scored 200+ in a practise match against Aussies? For some guys their hands, eye and timing perhaps covers up their drawbacks.

[Vijy]

2019 WC is too close. If Gill is to play, he must be in the ODI team as soon as possible.

[Cricketics]

No one in this line up scoring heavily that Shubman can’t be tried now.

 

Bring this kid now. He should be playing and groomed into Indian line up.

[SecondSlip]

He is a much better investment at #4 than tried and tested failure Rahane. 

He should be in the ODI squad when we play England this summer 

[King Tendulkar]

Give him a season in fc cricket . Let’s see this time next year . Same with shaw 

 

under 19 standard is quite low to be frank compared to big boy cricket 

[Cricketics]

18 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Give him a season in fc cricket . Let’s see this time next year . Same with shaw 

 

under 19 standard is quite low to be frank compared to big boy cricket 

our batting standard right now is lower than under 19 too. Zondo and other quota guys in south African team are outscoring our guys.

Lets throw Gill in ODI side in tri series in Lanka and let Kohli and co rest. And then let him play a game or two in England.

 

The guy will only learn.

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

our batting standard right now is lower than under 19 too. Zondo and other quota guys in south African team are outscoring our guys.

Lets throw Gill in ODI side in tri series in Lanka and let Kohli and co rest. And then let him play a game or two in England.

 

The guy will only learn.

Bullshit.  Shreyas Iyer and Manish Pandey are deserving candidates ahead of him.  Even a Rishabh Pant has a stronger case than Gill for ODI selection.   

 

Its ok to be a bit biased for boys from your neck of the woods.  But don't go all froggy on us, Ticsy.  

[Vijy]

14 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

our batting standard right now is lower than under 19 too. Zondo and other quota guys in south African team are outscoring our guys.

Lets throw Gill in ODI side in tri series in Lanka and let Kohli and co rest. And then let him play a game or two in England.

 

The guy will only learn.

zondo and miller have batted very badly in this series - they may have outscored our middle order but that's mostly down to coming in early and playing in pressure-free situations with the match almost lost. Our U19 batting is hardly as strong as you think it is - Shaw and Gill are exciting talents, esp the latter for ODIs and Kalra looked good, but that's about it. Desai was mostly tuk-tuk and Parag failed more consistently than Dhoni. Our A or even B teams are much better in terms of batting than the U19 team.

[Cricketics]

30 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Bullshit.  Shreyas Iyer and Manish Pandey are deserving candidates ahead of him.  Even a Rishabh Pant has a stronger case than Gill for ODI selection.   

 

Its ok to be a bit biased for boys from your neck of the woods.  But don't go all froggy on us, Ticsy.  

Arey bhai, ek young banda a jaye toh not a problem. If if we fail whats the harm? In the past also we have done this so whats harm in 21st century.

 

We tried guys like Pathan, Yuv, Raina etc too when they were young.

 

Trying Gill now will only give him a better experience against top players.

 

P.S - I am not from Punjab.

 

 

[Cricketics]

29 minutes ago, Vijy said:

zondo and miller have batted very badly in this series - they may have outscored our middle order but that's mostly down to coming in early and playing in pressure-free situations with the match almost lost. Our U19 batting is hardly as strong as you think it is - Shaw and Gill are exciting talents, esp the latter for ODIs and Kalra looked good, but that's about it. Desai was mostly tuk-tuk and Parag failed more consistently than Dhoni. Our A or even B teams are much better in terms of batting than the U19 team.

I am talking about one guy only - Shubman Gill. Rest all aren’t as good. Gill is in different league compared to other guys in terms of ODI batting.

 

Trying an extremely special talent isn’t anything wrong in this century when in the past we have tried younger guys in the past too who haven’t been as good as this guy. 

 

[maniac]

9 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

I am talking about one guy only - Shubman Gill. Rest all aren’t as good. Gill is in different league compared to other guys in terms of ODI batting.

 

Trying an extremely special talent isn’t anything wrong in this century when in the past we have tried younger guys in the past too who haven’t been as good as this guy. 

 

Don’t forget Shaw...Gill and Shaw because the time they have to play the shots...Hall mark

of a future star.

 

Noticed a flaw with Shaw though which is fishing outside thenoff stump...Gill has a little stamina issues which still is  great among his peers but  in big boys cricket demand is at a different level. 

 

Both  need to be groomed and in the scheme of things but debuting right at this moment might be a problem.

Edited February 7, 2018 by maniac

[Cricketics]

11 minutes ago, maniac said:

Don’t forget Shaw...Gill and Shaw because the time they have to play the shots...Hall mark

of a future star.

 

Noticed a flaw with Shaw though which is fishing outside thenoff stump...Gill has a little stamina issues which still is  great among his peers but  in big boys cricket demand is at a different level. 

 

Both  need to be groomed and in the scheme of things but debuting right at this moment might be a problem.

Shaw will have to wait as he is better suited for Test matches at this time and in test matches even though we lost the series recently, we do not have too many slots to fill.

 

In ODI'S we need changes and since Shubman is better of the two for ODI'S hence he can easily be accommodated compared to Shaw for test matches. You can say Shubman is lucky may be in that way, but until none of them make debut we can't say much.

 

Regarding who's suited where, its too early to say but at this time Shubman is definitely for ODI'S and Shaw for Tests. But down the line when they are 21 or 22, they might have matured and could be both suited for both the formats. To stereotype them at this time for any of the format won't be a good idea for the public as down the line if Shaw keeps his composure he can definitely dominate in ODI'S also and Gill in Test matches..

 

But yes, having said of all of that, I would put Gill right into our ODI side at this time. I am fine even if he is found out at this age or whatever. It won't leave any scar or any of the bullshyt which people start assuming on his career. He needs to play top level cricket at this time.

[Khota]

Hold your horses buddy. There is lot of work that needs to be done.

[sandeep]

34 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

Arey bhai, ek young banda a jaye toh not a problem. If if we fail whats the harm? In the past also we have done this so whats harm in 21st century.

 

This is actually not true.  Even the great Tendulkar had a year or more of First Class Cricket under his belt before he was thrown into the big boys club for a debut.  

 

And realistically, there is scope for harm to a promising young man's career, if he's thrown early on into the "reject" pile, before he may even be properly ready for the big leagues.  

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

But yes, having said of all of that, I would put Gill right into our ODI side at this time. I am fine even if he is found out at this age or whatever. It won't leave any scar or any of the bullshyt which people start assuming on his career. He needs to play top level cricket at this time.

The last young batsman to get an express pass from u-19 all the way (close) to the top was........Shikhar Dhawan, way back in the mid-2000s.  Got bowled by a Pakistani pacer and was out in the wilderness till 2012-13.  

 

And the examples of Yuvi, Yusuf, Raina and even Rohit - all of these guys, including Virat - all of them, to a man, played FC cricket for a season and demonstrated quality at that level, before being given a debut.  

 

You are free to believe that Gill is ready, and wish to see him in the national team.  But don't make up false precedence for that - its never been the case in India that someone who hasn't played FC cricket straight-away gets the national debut.  

[Cricketics]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

This is actually not true.  Even the great Tendulkar had a year or more of First Class Cricket under his belt before he was thrown into the big boys club for a debut.  

 

And realistically, there is scope for harm to a promising young man's career, if he's thrown early on into the "reject" pile, before he may even be properly ready for the big leagues.  

I can see it can dent confidence if you are dropped form test side where its always hard to get your place back, but in ODI'S you usually are able to earn your place back and most players report how they have learned from their bad phase in the odi's in the past.

 

Gill playing in a tri series in Lanka is hard to put him in that situation where it will screw him up for the rest of his life. I mean we will be playing against bowlers who are not better than any of our FC bowlers.

 

 

[maniac]

Facing a Josh Hazelwood in the under 19 World Cup 2010 when he was hitting almost 150ks is a totally different animal than facing Josh Hazelwood of today in 2018 even if he is hitting 135k-140ks

 

Gill needs to be groomed keeping post 2019 WC in mind when a lot of spots will be vacant....Yes he needs to get in young but not without doing anything in big boys cricket.

 

Guys like Pant,Kishen did well in domestics and also IPL to go with their u19 exploits.

 

You can’t induct a guy just based on u19 wc.

 

Shaw has done well in big boys cricket as well,so he is still ahead.

 

if you think one is ahead on the other in the future that is totally fair....even I think Gill is going to be a future odi champion player.

Edited February 7, 2018 by maniac

[King Tendulkar]

1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

our batting standard right now is lower than under 19 too. Zondo and other quota guys in south African team are outscoring our guys.

Lets throw Gill in ODI side in tri series in Lanka and let Kohli and co rest. And then let him play a game or two in England.

 

The guy will only learn.

Wtf . Lol jeez lol . Amazing how we number 1 test and odi team with such poor batting lol