Kedar Jadhav picked over Manish Pandey and Shreyas Iyer?

[maniac]

58 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

So this is how the story goes. India were 60 odd for 4 chasing a mammoth 350 run target against England and Jadhav had an epic run stand with Kohli when we were in deep shyt and he came and started counter attacking and we ended winning that game due to his 65 ball 100.

 

That game took place exactly about an year ago. 

 

Since the Jadhav has been a bits and pirces with the bat but honestly with Indian top order dominating he hasn’t gotten to bat a whole lot. He has picked up some crucial wickets or done a decent job with the ball which has kept him in the team.

 

 

 

Verdict - Jadhav looks like an ordinary cricketer who sucks as a fielder big time but has incredible hitting ability. The moment Indian top order fails and if he gets to bat consistently and then he fails, then he should be dropped. Until then we will have to keep him as dropping him withou a fair batting chance is going to be really bad decision.

 

 

If India continues to bat like the way we did today, then Jadhav might not get to bat much in this series. He is here to stay in the team for now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thanks for the memories of what probably  will be Jadhav’s only moment in the sun. 

 

there are 100s of instances of players far worse than Jadhav who have played some incredible innings or spells of bowling to win their teams games out of nowhere.

 

Jadhav is a poor fielder and yes he flukes some wickets because teams think they need to go into super attack mode against him when he bowls. As a batsman if he is the best we have to offer than that is a scary thought...only thing scarier is selectors bringing in Karthik and Pappu as his backups.

 

He is not a long term prospect and if we need to keep wc 2019 in mind then either give Pandey or Iyer or both an extended run.

 

Pandya is becoming a bits and pieces cricketer himself and so is Jadhav...teams don’t win championships with such cricketers. Pandya is young and has some abilities with the bat and his hitting is gold dust in this side of accumulators,but no place for Jadhav...I don’t know what big hitting ability you see in him but yes,he can smack the spinners or bowlers bowling at 125 clicks but so can a lot of domestic players.

 

Jadhav is not the solution.

Edited February 2, 2018 by maniac

[Pollack]

If Dhoni and Rahne still can be in the ODI team then what wrong has Jadhav done? 

[maniac]

As a keeper Dhoni over Karthik and as a batsman Rahane over Karthik and Jadhav any day.....problem is we make it Rahul vs Rahane but if we make it Rahane vs Karthik   Jadhav,Pandey or even Iyer than in Odis Rahane any day 

Edited February 2, 2018 by maniac

[The Dark Horse]

[maniac]

Just now, The Dark Horse said:

They should subtract 100 career runs to batsmen who get out to that  Anyway once the novelty of that crappy action wears of about time someone gets a 30 run over or a 6 6 s record. 

 

This bowking excuse for Jadhav is walking on thin ice.

[The Dark Horse]

17 minutes ago, maniac said:

They should subtract 100 career runs to batsmen who get out to that  Anyway once the novelty of that crappy action wears of about time someone gets a 30 run over or a 6 6 s record. 

 

This bowking excuse for Jadhav is walking on thin ice.

He's a perfect addition to Dhoniconda in CSK Ball won't rise a bit.

[Rightarmfast]

2 hours ago, Amit228 said:

Gill won't suffice at no 5. He is more suited for no 4 position. For no 5 we can try hooda or krunal. Both carry a heavy bat nd are also more than decent bowler.

Havent seen Hooda. Is he a spinner or medium pacer? Actually, even Hardik needs to pull his socks up. He was beyond poor yesterday, with the ball.

[renjith]

1 hour ago, The Dark Horse said:

Is it legal if he sit down in the crease or even lay down on the pitch and bowl? Commentators called it as ''below sea level'' bowling.

Edited February 2, 2018 by renjith

[Amit228]

26 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Havent seen Hooda. Is he a spinner or medium pacer? Actually, even Hardik needs to pull his socks up. He was beyond poor yesterday, with the ball.

Hooda bowls decent enough off break Nd has the hard hitting ability as he was nicknamed hurricane during his stint in u19 world cup 2014.. Has a list A average of 40 with strike rate of 92 while his ipl record isn't exemplary but he nd krunal can vouche for no 5 or 6 position.

[Rasgulla]

1 hour ago, The Dark Horse said:

Who cares.. Gets wics when needed

[Mosher]

That Kedar bowling action is rubbing off. Tiwary bowls with a similar bowling action now and he was the highest wicket taker among spinners in the recent SMA trophy  

 

[Rightarmfast]

18 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Who cares.. Gets wics when needed

Lagaan! 

[Straight Drive]

Kedar is averaging 42 and has SR of 109. That is a wonderful SR and AVG combination in today's ODI format.

 

Manish Pandey has combination of 39.27 average at 104.

 

Kedar can be backup keeper in case of injury to keeper during match. That's not happening though considering Dhonis awesome fitness. But still it is better to have that option as well apart from his batting average and SR.

 

Also Hardik is not a bowler who can give 10 overs every match. At times he gets tonked. There is better to have someone bowl few overs at times and cover up a bad spell from all rounders or even to complete 5 overs in case of injury during match to one of the 5 bowlers.

 

 

His batting average and SR in itself is good to get him a spot as specialist batsmen.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Straight Drive

[Vijy]

17 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Kedar is averaging 42 and has SR of 109. That is a wonderful SR and AVG combination in today's ODI format.

 

Manish Pandey has combination of 39.27 average at 104.

 

Kedar can be backup keeper in case of injury to keeper during match. That's not happening though considering Dhonis awesome fitness. But still it is better to have that option as well apart from his batting average and SR.

 

Also Hardik is not a bowler who can give 10 overs every match. At times he gets tonked. There is better to have someone bowl few overs at times and cover up a bad spell from all rounders or even to complete 5 overs in case of injury during match to one of the 5 bowlers.

 

 

His batting average and SR in itself is good to get him a spot as specialist batsmen.

Manish is the better fielder, Jadhav is the better bowler. Since our 5th bowler is suspect, this is the only reason why he has been selected.

[Straight Drive]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Manish is the better fielder, Jadhav is the better bowler. Since our 5th bowler is suspect, this is the only reason why he has been selected.

Kedar averages 3 runs more and has 5 runs SR more. Kedar has done better in batting. Pandey can achieve that but what we are talking is selection at this point of time.

 

However, I agree Manish Pandey is one of the top 2 fielders in the team. But then if we consider abilities other than batting then what Kedar beats him is that Pandey cannot keep as emergency keeper and Pandey cannot bowl anything between 1 to 10 overs spell in ODI.

 

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Kedar averages 3 runs more and has 5 runs SR more. Kedar has done better in batting. Pandey can achieve that but what we are talking is selection at this point of time.

 

However, I agree Manish Pandey is one of the top 2 fielders in the team. But then if we consider abilities other than batting then what Kedar beats him is that Pandey cannot keep as emergency keeper and Pandey cannot bowl anything between 1 to 10 overs spell in ODI.

 

this emergency keeping ability is not very relevant (esp. for Dhoni). it rarely arises when a match is going on - mostly palyers get injured prior to a match, and a replacement is selected.

 

Jadhav doesn't have many knocks outside Ind, while Pandey scored that 100 against Oz. It's a fairly close call between the two. but others like iyer and rahul should also have been in contention.

[velu]

jadhav averging 42 with SR of 110 .. just saying 

[Straight Drive]

28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

this emergency keeping ability is not very relevant (esp. for Dhoni). it rarely arises when a match is going on - mostly palyers get injured prior to a match, and a replacement is selected.

 

Jadhav doesn't have many knocks outside Ind, while Pandey scored that 100 against Oz. It's a fairly close call between the two. but others like iyer and rahul should also have been in contention.

Although Kedar has better AVG and SR combo than that of Pandey, I am in no way saying Pandeys AVG sr combo is bad. 39 runs and 104 SR is very much acceptable and good intact. Even Pandey's AVG and SR combo is better than that of Raina and Yuvi. Expected because nowadays better SR is expected than those who played in previous decades. 

 

Pandey is very close to Jadhav in performance, but the way it is being made on this forum is that Pandey is actually much better in batting. But yes, we are good to have Pandey who has given acceptable performance. We need more of these players who have a healthy average and see combination.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Straight Drive

[BeautifulGame]

18 minutes ago, Vijy said:

this emergency keeping ability is not very relevant (esp. for Dhoni). it rarely arises when a match is going on - mostly palyers get injured prior to a match, and a replacement is selected.

 

Jadhav doesn't have many knocks outside Ind, while Pandey scored that 100 against Oz. It's a fairly close call between the two. but others like iyer and rahul should also have been in contention.

Jadhav is a big hitter .Manish Pandey isn't.With our top 5 , we need a bigger hitter down the order.

 

Also Pandeyhas been plenty of chances since that 100 in Sydney.Done nothing.Jadhav may have nothing outside India (because he has not had much chance ) but Pandey has nothing in his ODI career apart from that 100 in Sydney.You just can't live off that Hundred forever.

[adi B]

On 02/02/2018 at 9:50 AM, surajmal said:

I would dump Pandya and bring in Shami. And replace Jadhav with Iyer. That way you have 6 proper batsmen and 5 proper bowlers. No need to waste overs on part timers. Only drawback is that you lose your only big hitter in the process. 

India needs a hitter like pandya dearly in the end overs. India have lost plenty of chases where we required over 7-8 rpo in the last 10 , in the past we used to chase such stuff with ease with peak yuvi,dhoni,raina etc.now we will be only left with dhoni and kedar in such situation  who cannot be trusted at all to deliver ,so pandya is a must