Straight Drive Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Gavaskar criticizing Avesh and Mavi for fist pumping and shouting after taking wickets. Such reactions by pacers just showcase the aggressive mindset of fast bowlers . Curb this and you will get non-aggressive medium pacers. It was bad. Imagine if Russell says MC BC to him after every 4 or 6. I hope Russell actually reacts when he thrashes him next time after every four and six.He needs to bring this nobody bowler down to earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 So between Rajpoot and Avesh, who looks more accomplished? I feel rajpoot hasn't hit the speeds he's capable of but still bowled with plenty of guile and aggression. Rajpoot is a complete bowler at this point but he needs to get fitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) It was bad. Imagine if Russell says MC BC to him after every 4 or 6. I hope Russell actually reacts when he thrashes him next time after every four and six.He needs to bring this nobody bowler down to earth. The batsman can react too if he wants. And the umpires and match referee can dish out punishments if they break the rules. Fast bowling needs a certain aggressive mental frame of mind ... which will have its side effects. Curb the show of aggression in some genuine fast bowlers and you may end up curbing his mental aggression too ( depending on the personality type of that person ) There have been silent fast bowlers and verbally aggressive fast bowlers ... different people have different personalities and to each his own. Same thing applies to captains too ... Kohli needs to show his emotions and aggression to do well ... Dhoni needs to be reserved and calm ... again, to each his own. Different types of personalities are needed in sports and everybody should not be told to act similarly. Edited April 27, 2018 by express bowling Mosher, Lannister and Rightarmfast 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 russell is the biggest wicket , and he got him .. commies are over reacting Suhaan, Mosher, Garuda and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 The batsman can react too if he wants. And the umpires and match referee can dish out punishments if they break the rules. Fast bowling needs a certain aggressive mental frame of mind ... which will have its side effects. Curb the show of aggression in some genuine fast bowlers and you may end up curbing his mental aggression too ( depending on the personality type of that person ) There have been silent fast bowlers and verbally aggressive fast bowlers ... different people have different personalities and to each his own. Same thing applies to captains too ... Kohli needs to show his emotions and aggression to do well ... Dhoni needs to be reserved and calm ... again, to each his own. Different types of personalities are needed in sports and everybody should not be told to act similarly. Using bad words is not agressive bowling. If he is aggressive he should reach higher levels. That shows firepower within him. Using bad words is not agression. So how different it was when non Asian cricketers abused our batsmen and bowlers racially. Nice aggression, is it? Bl****y do*s etc. Next time some cricketer abuses him i would definitely not feel for him. Deserves it. A classless person needs to come across another classless person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) russell is the biggest wicket , and he got him .. commies are over reacting So we're Dravid, Tendulkar, Sehwag, VVS in different format. That does not gave foreigners any rights to abuse well behaved cricketers because they were big wickets. Do you also defend those abuses given to our players when some bowlers took their wickets. Edited April 27, 2018 by Straight Drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Asif might play tomorrow vishalvirsingh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Asif might play tomorrow highly doubt , unless shardul is injured i doubt dhoni wud prefer 2 inexperienced pacer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Using bad words is not agressive bowling. If he is aggressive he should reach higher levels. That shows firepower within him. Using bad words is not agression. So how different it was when non Asian cricketers abused our batsmen and bowlers racially. Nice aggression, is it? Bl****y do*s etc. Next time some cricketer abuses him i would definitely not feel for him. Deserves it. A classless person needs to come across another classless person. 1) Fist pumping and shouting things like " yes " is not the same as abusing a batsman. It is just a show of emotion. 2) I never complained when some foreign pacers showed emotion or fist pumped after getting our batsmen out. 3) Racial abuse is bad and almost no one supports it ... whether we are at the receiving end or dishing it out. In the cases today, there was no racial abuse involved. 4) What you are suggesting is a bit utopian. The amount of abusing that goes on even playfully, when a group of men play, is common knowledge among people who have played group sports at any level. Even so called classy people are no exception. Even the calm and well behaved Dhoni was heard abusing Pandey using foul language in recent times. It happens in the heat of the moment with emotions running high. Edited April 27, 2018 by express bowling Rightarmfast and Mosher 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Drive Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1) Fist pumping and shouting things like " yes " is not the same as abusing a batsman. It is just a show of emotion. 2) I never complained when some foreign pacers showed emotion or fist pumped after getting our batsmen out. 3) Racial abuse is bad and almost no one supports it ... whether we are at the receiving end or dishing it out. In the cases today, there was no racial abuse involved. 4) What you are suggesting is a bit utopian. The amount of abusing that goes on even playfully, when a group of men play, is common knowledge among people who have played group sports at any level. Even so called classy people are no exception. Even the calm and well behaved Dhoni was heard abusing Pandey using foul language in recent times. It happens in the heat of the moment with emotions running high. It was not just waving of hands or fist. Abusive words were used. Celebration is not a problem, the way it was celebrated is Just becauses Dhoni abuses Pandey , Avesh abusing Russell does not become correct. Also because you never complained when Sunny, Sachin, Kapil, Vengsarkar were getting abused, it should not mean other fans should not complain about such rubbish behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) It was not just waving of hands or fist. Abusive words were used. Celebration is not a problem, the way it was celebrated is We can't be sure of that. Something being said is not the same as abusing someone. Very often exclamations like " Yess " or " Come on " are uttered. Just becauses Dhoni abuses Pandey , Avesh abusing Russell does not become correct. Not always an issue of right or wrong. What I am saying is that ... certain behaviour is observed when competitive men play group sports. Emotions are high, adrenaline is high in the system, often stakes are high . The same group of people will behave much more politely in the commentary box or drawing room. Also because you never complained when Sunny, Sachin, Kapil, Vengsarkar were getting abused, it should not mean other fans should not complain about such rubbish behaviour. You can complain all you want ... heat of the moment behaviour is not going to change. Trying to curb natural behaviour among men engaged in sports may impact their performance depending on their personality type. Edited April 27, 2018 by express bowling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted April 27, 2018 Author Share Posted April 27, 2018 Avesh 149K! Do you guys believe... I missed seeing today's match and avesh's bowling. express bowling and Rightarmfast 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 It was not just waving of hands or fist. Abusive words were used. Celebration is not a problem, the way it was celebrated is Just becauses Dhoni abuses Pandey , Avesh abusing Russell does not become correct. Also because you never complained when Sunny, Sachin, Kapil, Vengsarkar were getting abused, it should not mean other fans should not complain about such rubbish behaviour. Why do you think he was abusing Russell? You don't live in India. Boys start their sentence with gali, doesn't mean they are abusing people. It's just a way of expression to himself. Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Gavaskar criticizing Avesh and Mavi for fist pumping and shouting after taking wickets. Such reactions by pacers just showcase the aggressive mindset of fast bowlers . Curb this and you will get non-aggressive medium pacers. He's a bitter old man and past his expiry date with nothing left to offer. He's just a waste of our time. Rightarmfast, vishalvirsingh and BeardedAladdin 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Man I love this thread ,best one in the ipl section and some good analysis on bowling. we've got some serious pace talents but gotta use their potential and differentiate the formats they can suit to Rightarmfast, Mosher, vishalvirsingh and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Rightarmfast and Suhaan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rightarmfast Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 It was not just waving of hands or fist. Abusive words were used. Celebration is not a problem, the way it was celebrated is Just becauses Dhoni abuses Pandey , Avesh abusing Russell does not become correct. Also because you never complained when Sunny, Sachin, Kapil, Vengsarkar were getting abused, it should not mean other fans should not complain about such rubbish behaviour. Please accept that times have changed. Its a new generation. The Indians were much more docile till 90's but as the country progresses, people feel confident too. And this generation is all about being on the face, never shying away from letting out whats on their mind. For too long we have been timid, too long we have just taken and not given back. This generation is going to have none of that! What you see is more than just abusing or over agression. This is symbolic of a nation stomping their presence in front of others and I dont necessarily see it as a bad thing. Cricket needs such theatrics. Lets not fool ourselves believing its a gentleman's game, it never was. Ask Douglas Jardine! Bowlers like Umesh Yadav, Shami, Nagarkotti, Mavi, Avesh etc are going to influence future fast bowlers and probably a rare 155+ bowler. These theatrics are needed to drive attention of such jewels. speedheat, express bowling, Mosher and 2 others 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) In IPL 2018, till 27th April, 4 young Indian pacers have bowled really quick, with a very high percentage of deliveries above 140 k and fastest balls in the high and mid 140s. They are Avesh, Bumrah, Siraj and Mavi. Their fastest so far Avesh 149.1 k Bumrah 148.0 k Siraj 147.2 k Mavi 146.5 k Umesh and Shami have been reasonably quick too. Edited April 28, 2018 by express bowling Suhaan, Mosher, Rightarmfast and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insidious Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) Though i am impressed by performances of indian young quicks, they are still no where as quick as Umesh yadav and Varun Aaron used to be 3-4 years ago in IPL matches. In fact 25 deliveries of Umesh Yadav were in 'top 100 fastest balls' list in 2012. All in between 151 ks to 148 ks. Doubt any Indian young fast bowlers can replicate that feat. May be NagarKotti in future. Edited April 28, 2018 by rkt.india Rightarmfast, Mosher and vishalvirsingh 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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