Why current lot of Indian batsmen are so one-dimensional?

[Trichromatic]

Apart from being good in only one format or one type condition, they just don't seem to be have worked on anything else.

 

Can't throw the ball to these guys for even couple of overs in a test match. 

 

Can't trust them to be safe catcher either.

 

Kohli is only one who can play all condition and have seen him bowling here and there. Rahane, Dhawan, Pujara - haven't seen them bowling a single over.

 

Seems like all-condition/all-round development has been poor for these players.

[sourab10forever]

Not just Indian...most Batsmen these days.

[R!TTER]

Just now, Trichromatic said:

Apart from being good in only one format or one type condition, they just don't seem to be have worked on anything else.

 

Can't throw the ball to these guys for even couple of overs in a test match. 

 

Can't trust them to be safe catcher either.

 

Kohli is only one who can play all condition and have seen him bowling here and there. Rahane, Dhawan, Pujara - haven't seen them bowling a single over.

 

Seems like all-condition/all-round development has been poor for these players.

Kohli's suspect against outswing, sure he has the discipline to make it count but he's still more vulnerable out there than say the rest of fabled four.

Edited July 28, 2018 by R!TTER

[Stan AF]

Most batsmen mind are cluttered. They have taken their places for granted. They are convinced that they can't be dropped There are no bold repercussions for losing badly (be it overseas test matches or icc events) or for being out of form. Simply

 

Plus they all have a retirement package or a trust fund by the name of

 

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Tonty 20.

 

This format/tournament has single handedly corrupted the mindset of every young player. A sort of get rich quick scheme so that one can avoid the grueling hard work of Int'l cricket. It doesn't matter that you have to play well in Tests/International tournaments to earn money in cricket.

 

Additionally sycophantic fans who can't seem to see past their Franchise. To put national teams interest above their own.

 

BCCI needs to work on all the above.

[Suhaan]

18 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Most batsmen mind are cluttered. They have taken their places for granted. They are convinced that they can't be dropped There are no bold repercussions for losing badly (be it overseas test matches or icc events) or for being out of form. Simply

 

Plus they all have a retirement package or a trust fund by the name of

 

I

P

L

 

Tonty 20.

 

This format/tournament has single handedly corrupted the mindset of every young player. A sort of get rich quick scheme so that one can avoid the grueling hard work of Int'l cricket. It doesn't matter that you have to play well in Tests/International tournaments to earn money in cricket.

 

Additionally sycophantic fans who can't seem to see past their Franchise. To put national teams interest above their own.

 

BCCI needs to work on all the above.

Yes indeed,t20s have polluted the technique to survive in all conditions,so most of the bats today lack that skill playing out every condition

 

 

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Actually, cricket is now a pseudo-profession where ugly looking non actors can parade themselves in Bollywood to earn money.
Every cricketer actually wants to have a shot at Bolly Glamour.

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[express bowling]

3 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Kohli's suspect against outswing, sure he has the discipline to make it count but he's still more vulnerable out there than say the rest of fabled four.

 

Apart from test matches in England  (  just 1 series so far  )  Kohli has generally been an all condition batsman and an all-format batsman.  

 

Compare this to Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit etc.

 

The fab 4 did not have to play T20s during most of their careers ... and the bad habits that seep in from playing T20s were not there.  

 

Another problem that all-format batters face nowadays is that ... they don't have sufficient time to go back to the drawing board to work on the weaknesses that have crept in from T20s.

Edited July 28, 2018 by express bowling

[R!TTER]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Apart from test matches in England  (  just 1 series so far  )  Kohli has generally been an all condition batsman and an all-format batsman.  

 

Compare this to Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit etc.

 

The fab 4 did not have to play T20s during most of their careers ... and the bad habits that seep in from playing T20s were not there.  

 

Another problem that all-format batters face nowadays is that ... they don't have sufficient time to go back to the drawing board to work on the weaknesses that have crept in from T20s.

I'm talking about the current fab four namely Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson to be precise. They don't nick as often as Kohli does, although they're not as good as Kohli in LO, especially Smith.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, UrmiSinhaRay said:

Actually, cricket is now a pseudo-profession where ugly looking non actors can parade themselves in Bollywood to earn money.
Every cricketer actually wants to have a shot at Bolly Glamour.

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This can be short lived fame,one has to excel in their respective profession.For eg No body in bollywood would even spit on Kl if he fails in his domain....Kl has to perform on field to be in contention(for a shot glam world)

[express bowling]

21 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I'm talking about the current fab four namely Kohli, Smith, Root, Williamson to be precise. They don't nick as often as Kohli does, although they're not as good as Kohli in LO, especially Smith.

 

Smith is a much better test batsman than Kohli and every other contemporary batter period.

 

Root and Williamson have the advantage of growing up and still playing a significant part of their test and 4-day cricket in swing and / or seam friendly conditions.  They have also been longest version specialists who have become useful to good in the shorter formats later on. For Kohli, it is the opposite. He has become a really good test batsman only from end 2013. I think this has resulted in different types of weaknesses for these 3 top-guns.

 

 

Edited July 28, 2018 by express bowling

[UrmiSinhaRay]

 
Root and Williamson have the advantage of growing up and still playing a significant part of their test and 4-day cricket in swing and / or seam friendly conditions.  They have also been longest version specialists who have become useful to good in the shorter formats later on. For Kohli, it is the opposite. He has become a really good test batsman only from end 2013.
 
Smith is a much better test batsman than Kohli and every other contemporary batter period.

Well, I don't think I am enough knowledgeable about the game Like you people but still offering my 2 bits.
I guess it is more about the culture?

As much as it has improved from earlier, I would still argue that The SENA countries have much better sporting facilities and coaching in comparison to Indians.

Also the mentality-Indians are more into the slam bam wham stuff rather than learning the nuances of game.
The recent attitude of being lenient on overseas tour and then showing condescending attitude after faced with questions on their performances is also a factor.
Yeah, people like Kohli and some others will keep improving regardless of the situation, because they know what they are doing-but what about the others who really really take themselves as granted?
Give a decade or 2 and India will become minnows in cricket again.

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[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Apart from test matches in England  (  just 1 series so far  )  Kohli has generally been an all condition batsman and an all-format batsman.  

 

Compare this to Vijay, Dhawan, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit etc.

 

The fab 4 did not have to play T20s during most of their careers ... and the bad habits that seep in from playing T20s were not there.  

 

Another problem that all-format batters face nowadays is that ... they don't have sufficient time to go back to the drawing board to work on the weaknesses that have crept in from T20s.

and only srt was a true all format player. dravid today would have not lasted long in LOIs. Same for Ganguly in tests.

[Clarke]

I would want to understand from a batsman's honest perspective, how draining is the IPL in the overall scheme of things as compared to the general schedule ? Its a lot of games and a lot of travel non stop for 2 months. How much time is required to recover from the fatigue and get back to fitness and ready for international cricket ? 

 

Then there's the huge variance between playing T20 league cricket and the various conditions one gets in test matches. Until the 90s, ODIs were mostly with RR of 4.5-6 runs per over. The 2000s saw 300s more often and the current decade has seen some 400s as well as double centuries by batsmen. Besides the conditions, the non-stop hitting has been more common due to T20 cricket. It would then be much harder for a batsman to go from 7-8 RPO in limited overs to putting a premium on their wicket in tests vs 4-5 RPO in more testing conditions as earlier. This obviously means its more difficult to be an all format batsman. 

 

The skillset pov is accurate. They just don't roll their arm. As someone here suggested, its a PRO sport now and it was amateur earlier :))

Edited July 28, 2018 by Clarke

[UrmiSinhaRay]

I agree and add to that cricket is gradually losing its appeal in metros with younger generatiom. I see my nephews/niece showing very little interest in cricket, in fact I don't think any kid in my family plays cricket. Its all basketball or football. Sure IPL gets their attention for a month, but I just don't see them care about cricket or cricketers like we did. 

Same here .
All my friends and kids in general are more into football, basketball,badminton , tennis, martial arts these days.
In fact, in the school I used to go , rowing was the most participated sport followed by basketball and martial arts following closely.
Yeah sure, cricket is popular too- but it is no longer a sport that the kids are psychotically passionate about.
In fact, kids after Sachin's retirement are not into cricket at all.
Kolkata is always behind the curve when it comes to current affairs-so kids still get sent to the burgeoning cricket academies of the city.
But the passion and love for the game is lacking here also.
One major reason of kids being not into cricket is that it is too complex to get into.
I know several kids who dropped out of cricket coaching and shifted to other sports after realising that it was way more than "throw and slam the ball into the air to a sixer".
Also one more thing-Indians are influenced by foreign(mainly American) culture a lot + we hate being Insular/isolated..
We are more and more realising white countries don't play cricket or even if they play, they don't give a * about it.
In the earlier decades, we had a closed society and also due to the lack of social media, anything and everything could have been passed as absolute truth and people were innocent enough to believe it.
Our economy was in shambles and nobody could improve it-and cricket was the only outlet by which Indians could have manage to show off to foreigners whom they were unable to defeat at larger stage.
Now we have Narendra Modi and Amit Shah to do the dirty work of making a mark abroad-they are the ones spearheading nationalism movement right now.
No wonder they are the biggest celebrities in our country now.
Also the urban people are gradually realising while cricket is a great career in India - it has no value abroad.
That's why they are trying to jump into the football ship.
Granted the efforts are half hearted-and there are people who says cricket better than football because they are prejudiced and is not accustomed seeing football.

Also there is a slight guilt induction about liking cricket nowadays -obviously because the countries which care about cricket are not the countries whom we would like to compete with.
Nepal and Afghanistan cricket are growing because they want to emulate and play against India-but I don't think Indians would enjoy to see matches against these teams.
I completely understand BCCI 'S alleged efforts to undermine Indian football as it poses a big challenge to its dominance-the moment Indian football will rise, cricket will die an untimely death.
That said, consumption is there till there is demand.
Cricket has already stagnated and in fact going down in terms of popularity.
With the availability of so many entertainment options, they will eventually shift out of cricket even if BCCI tries to kill Indian Football
Social media and internet is expanding-soon Indians will abandon the limited library of entertainment indian tv offers.
(Reply to another closed thread).

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