Shami is 36 years old

[rkt.india]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

His intensity was high in the 1st and 3rd sessions of the day.  At this time he was hitting the deck and going for seam movement and pace.

 

In the 2nd session,  the ball was swinging a lot, so he went for swing. He is not a proper swing bowler and never looks good when he floats the ball up.  The same thing happened in the 2nd innings first spell.

 

Shami looks good when he goes for pace.  His reduced intensity in certain spells outside Asia has more to do wrong choice of bowling style than fitness.

you could see it by the way he was running.

[R!TTER]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

His intensity was high in the 1st and 3rd sessions of the day.  At this time he was hitting the deck and going for seam movement and pace.

 

In the 2nd session,  the ball was swinging a lot, so he went for swing. He is not a proper swing bowler and never looks good when he floats the ball up.  The same thing happened in the 2nd innings first spell.

 

Shami looks good when he goes for pace.  His reduced intensity in certain spells outside Asia has more to do wrong choice of bowling style than fitness.

That' an odd thing to say - if swing isn't his style of play or he can't control swing then he wouldn't be in the top 3 picks for pace bowling in the starting 11, nor should he be.

[speedheat]

1 hour ago, asterix said:

He looks fitter than Yaddu... also has brains... Anybody who’s a playa will have brains...

No he is not, lol, yadav is one of the fittest guy in the team.    Yadav is like 'hanuman' he forgets about his power and strength and somebody had to constantly remind him about it.

[express bowling]

Just now, R!TTER said:

That' an odd thing to say - if swing isn't his style of play or he can't control swing then he wouldn't be in the top 3 picks for pace bowling in the starting 11, nor should he be.

Why  ?

 

A high percentage of top pacers in history were not conventional-swing bowlers primarily.  They depended mainly on pace, bounce, seam movement or reverse swing and accuracy.

 

Everyone swings the ball in very favourable conditions but that does not make them swing bowlers.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

you could see it by the way he was running.

 

Runs in like that half the time even when he is bowling with intensity.

 

He has had issues with both his knees and I guess it is difficult to forget.

[R!TTER]

Just now, express bowling said:

Why  ?

 

A high percentage of top pacers in history were not conventional-swing bowlers primarily.  They depended mainly on pace, bounce, seam movement or reverse swing and accuracy.

 

Everyone swings the ball in very favourable conditions but that does not make them swing bowlers.

I'm not saying that, I'm talking about the inability to control swing. If the second innings is any indication, he shouldn't be in the top 3 bowling slot, as you cannot waste such conditions if you can't control the movement especially in England. Being a senior pro he should've been able to do that, alas but I guess our best chance at Lords is if Stokes doesn't play and the wicket is dry.

Edited August 5, 2018 by R!TTER

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Might be well over 28 but the document she put on display are not credible source of proof,many in India provide false age in rtos to get driving license before 18,election cards are never considered a proof..

my driving license, which is expired now, shows my age as above 40+. I got it when i was below 18 and needed to get a license. It used to be no big deal earlier to get licenses with fake DOB's

[speedheat]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

I doubt that a 34 year old can average 138 k with a fastest of 144 k to 147 k in almost every match he plays.

That was exactly my point, wear n tear, age or whatever it is, at  36 any pacer would loose his pace but shami is still bowling at 137-146k same speeds which he bowled 2-3 years ago that means he is not a 36 as claimed by his wife.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I'm not saying that, I'm talking about the inability to control swing. If the second innings is any indication, he shouldn't be in the top 3 bowling slot, as you cannot waste such conditions if you can't control the movement especially in England. Being a senior pro he should've been able to do that, alas but I guess our best chance at Lords is if Stokes doesn't play and the wicket is dry.

 

Shami does not have issues controlling swing.  I have watched him bowl even before he debuted for India and ever since.

 

What happens is that ... when he goes for conventional swing, his pace reduces a bit.  He is not a big swinger of the ball ... so slower pace and a bit of swing does not help.

 

Shami is at his best when he bowls at full speed and hits the deck often enough. Then you will see him get consistent seam movement both ways and small swing both ways too at high pace.  And some bounce.  All this produces wickets regularly like we saw in the first innings of this test and in the last test in South Africa.

 

He won't waste the conditions when he is bowling fast ... because England is conducive to consistent seam movement too.

[Nikhil_cric]

He doesn't look like he's going to last a 5 test series anyway and he's pretty ineffective at reduced pace because of his lack of height. 

[R!TTER]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Shami does not have issues controlling swing.  I have watched him bowl even before he debuted for India and ever since.

 

What happens is that ... when he goes for conventional swing, his pace reduces a bit.  He is not a big swinger of the ball ... so slower pace and a bit of swing does not help.

 

Shami is at his best when he bowls at full speed and hits the deck often enough. Then you will see him get consistent seam movement both ways and small swing both ways too at high pace.  And some bounce.  All this produces wickets regularly like we saw in the first innings of this test and in the last test in South Africa.

 

He won't waste the conditions when he is bowling fast ... because England is conducive to consistent seam movement too.

Except in SA he wasted the conditions, which were even more seam friendly. He had 3 or 4 good spells and 2x as many bad ones. Is he really unfit or near the end of the road? 

[express bowling]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Except in SA he wasted the conditions, which were even more seam friendly. He had 3 or 4 good spells and 2x as many bad ones. Is he really unfit or near the end of the road? 

In SA he was affected by the brewing tensions with his wife.  

[zen]

No matter what Shami’s age is, I do not expect him to last for more than 2 years. He appears to be on the last leg of his career considering his fitness level .... Needs to work on his fitness

Edited August 5, 2018 by zen

[UrmiSinhaRay]

Dhoni amd virat are smart unlike Sachin who was an th grade ddrop out
 
It shows in the level of tactical skill and nous when it comes to captaincy

Virat smart?
He's a vulgar gawar with no brains.
Dhoni is Street smart.
You can't find buy Street smartness in schools.

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[beetle]

7 hours ago, tweaker said:

This guy doesn't look like shami.

This guy has dopey nasheeli eyes.

[beetle]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

In SA he was affected by the brewing tensions with his wife.  

A girl here 

a girl there

 girls  girls everywhere

will result in  that for most married guys.

Edited August 5, 2018 by beetle

[zep1706]

He does look 35-36. 

[MechEng]

36 year old Wasim Akram bowled at an average speed of 136 kph and topped at 144 kph in 2003 World Cup, and this with a very economical run up. Bowling speeds need not be age dependent always, but fitness definitely is. 

[velu]

attaching shami's marksheets