Michael Holding - Pandya is not next Kapil Dev

[Straight Drive]

15 hours ago, Khota said:

I agree everyone needs to be held accountable. That means everyone including, Vijay, Dhawan, Rahul, Rahane. No exceptions.

 

But having said that I don't want any change in batting for next test. I would take one more spinner.

 

Where I disagree with you is that in an important test like England this is not the place for beta testing. Need a finished product at this stage and for that I blame the most useless person ever Shastri.

Accountability is the last trait that we see nowadays in Indian cricket. Remember when Sehwag etc used to average between 25 - 35 in some countries there was so much furore. Now the standards are very poor as far as performances are concerned overseas, in fact it seems like averages below 20 are accepted by the same media.

[rkt.india]

33 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Let's say if you have 2 wickets to take at an extremely important point of the match, would you you give it to Pandya like how Root depended on Stokes? If not, then what's Pandya's role within this team if not for his bowling, because he don't have a single century in Test cricket if he's there for his batting. 

 

 

Stokes is their 4th bowler, Pandya is our 5th. Why would I give it to Pandya then.  Pandya is there to give a break to main bowlers.  I will give it to one of my main 4 bowlers. Test cricket is a game of 4 bowlers, no successful team played 5 five specialist bowlers ever for any length of period.  5th bowler is always under bowled. England's 5ht bowler is Rashid and he barely bowled anything, only to tail and Rashid can bat too. Same way Pandya is our 5th bowler whose primary job is batting.  

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

you said will that new batsman do better than Pandya , i said no its conjecture and now you have stated ^^ this, confused?

because there is no evidence that new batsman will do better than him.  If that batsman was better then batsmen playing, he would have already been in the XI in place of one of those batsmen. If you are going to get same or worse performance from from a new batsman then better to play Pandya who can offer some overs as well.

[SK_IH]

50 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

because there is no evidence that new batsman will do better than him.  If that batsman was better then batsmen playing, he would have already been in the XI in place of one of those batsmen. If you are going to get same or worse performance from from a new batsman then better to play Pandya who can offer some overs as well.

 just because Pandya scored 20 odd runs you cant generalize and say no other batsman can outscore him

no if Pandya is only going to offer some overs, then he has no role in the team,this is not what is expected of him and this is like playing an all rounder just for the sake of it

i cant concur with the view that Pandya is one of our reserve batsman and is a better bet than them 

[shortbread]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

because there is no evidence that new batsman will do better than him.  If that batsman was better then batsmen playing, he would have already been in the XI in place of one of those batsmen. If you are going to get same or worse performance from from a new batsman then better to play Pandya who can offer some overs as well.

By that logic....why not get a bowler who will bowl much better and as a batsman you are going to get same or worse performance from this bowler! 

 

He failed to deliver in the first test as an all-rounder! Was expensive in England's first innings, wasn't needed in the second. Failed with the bat in the first innings and did nothing exceptional in the second. So the only reason Pandya plays is that in the second test is because he outlasted most batsmen especially since he's playing the older ball during the second innings?

 

So what exactly will he do in the second test? Contain runs, No? Take wickets, No? Make runs and play a long innings, unlikely but maybe but not a proper batsman? Pandya will be dropped.

[Khota]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

no, if he is scoring as many or more than your main batsman.

Why not have a real batsman come down in the order and see how much he scores?

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Accountability is the last trait that we see nowadays in Indian cricket. Remember when Sehwag etc used to average between 25 - 35 in some countries there was so much furore. Now the standards are very poor as far as performances are concerned overseas, in fact it seems like averages below 20 are accepted by the same media.

Accountability starts from top. If Shastri is not held accountable no one ever will be.

[R!TTER]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

because there is no evidence that new batsman will do better than him.  If that batsman was better then batsmen playing, he would have already been in the XI in place of one of those batsmen. If you are going to get same or worse performance from from a new batsman then better to play Pandya who can offer some overs as well.

Wah, why not apply this logic to the other thread? Double standards?

[putrevus]

Unless Pandya is batting in top 6 he doesn't deserve a place in the team but given how awful other top order batsman are, Pandya being in the team makes no difference.

 

Pandya is no match winner with either bat or ball, he medicore bits and pieces player nothing more than this nonsense that he is there to provide break to other four bowlers is ridiculous.

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus

[Straight Drive]

1 hour ago, Khota said:

Accountability starts from top. If Shastri is not held accountable no one ever will be.

Shastri also has to be sacked for creating a team of FTB's.  

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, Straight Drive said:

Shastri also has to be sacked for creating a team of FTB's.  

Why Shastri has to be sacked???? Did he draft Pujara, Dhawan Vijay. What is he supposed to do.

[Lannister]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Stokes is their 4th bowler, Pandya is our 5th. Why would I give it to Pandya then.  Pandya is there to give a break to main bowlers.  I will give it to one of my main 4 bowlers. Test cricket is a game of 4 bowlers, no successful team played 5 five specialist bowlers ever for any length of period.  5th bowler is always under bowled. England's 5ht bowler is Rashid and he barely bowled anything, only to tail and Rashid can bat too. Same way Pandya is our 5th bowler whose primary job is batting.  

Rashid is not a 5th bowler, he is a full time bowler who could bat a bit. He is not like Ali. The reason he didn't bowl much was because he didn't need to as their four fast bowlers were on top of their game. 

Atleast Rashid has managed to take couple of wickets even though he was under-bowled, and how many wickets did Hardik take? Hardik's bowling average is 46 in Test Cricket. If that is the standard you want to maintain then good luck winning overseas series. 

[WeStMiDz]

If you are playing a 2+2 combo then Pandya becomes more useful and more relevant. 3 quicks + Pandya is not required in my opinion. Having said that I'd have him as a specialist bat ahead of the likes of Dhawan at the moment. The guy has some fight in him. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by WeStMiDz

[Khota]

4 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

Shastri also has to be sacked for creating a team of FTB's.  

Shastri should be sacked for sleeping on the job.

[Switchblade]

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Kapil Dev is once-in-a century cricketer, don’t compare Hardik Pandya with him: Sunil Gavaskar

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/kapil-dev-is-once-in-a-century-cricketer-don-t-compare-hardik-pandya-with-him-sunil-gavaskar/story-hGx5KeN5gQkgAZjRPmk4OP.html

“Kapil Dev should not be compared with anyone. He is not just a once-in-generation player but a once-in-a century cricketer just like Sir Don Bradman and Sachin Tendulkar. We should not compare him with anyone,” a visibly agitated Gavaskar told ‘Aaj Tak’.

 

@Khota bhai your views on this about a wanna be all rounder

[Straight Drive]

40 minutes ago, Khota said:

Shastri should be sacked for sleeping on the job.

Sleeping with whom ? Another scandal ?

[Switchblade]

Just now, Straight Drive said:

Sleeping with whom ? Another scandal ?

He was sleeping during the test match 

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/cricket/020818/harbhajan-singh-ravi-shastri-sanjay-bangar-india-cricket-team-england.html

Harbhajan Singh catches Ravi Shastri taking forty winks, wakes up India coach

[mishra]

Someone should kick Pandyas butt and

tell him to be kapil, He has no option but to deliver

Edited August 6, 2018 by mishra

[FischerTal]

if you think the biggest problem in this team is Pandya, LOL.

 

Indian team management has a fixed policy for years now. They dont give a fcuk about Test cricket, especially overseas. The only reason they continue with this vestige is because of the purists and also outside pressure from other boards. BCCI sees no money in this format in the future and they would rather move on to a completely LOI format based schedule that would ensure maximum profits for them, which makes sense. 

 

Players like Pandya are propped so that atleast some form of revenue is earned from this snoozefest. 

Edited August 6, 2018 by FischerTal

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Switchblade said:

@Khota bhai your views on this about a wanna be all rounder

My views are consistent. In modern game they do not exist. Cricket is a specialist sport. We can relax the definition and be content with Pandya not taking any wicket and be happy. He is providing rest. There should be a metrics along with runs, balls etc for rest.