Can Pandya average >37 with bat and <32 with ball?

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ishant avg 35

Umesh - 34 

Shami - 30

 

In  tests

 

Shami averages 29

 

 

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Even our pacers don't average 32

 

In tests 

 

Bhuvi  26

 

Shami  29

 

Bumrah  25   ( albeit in a very short career  but comes into discussion as Hardik's career is short too )

Edited August 8, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

no. i dont see Kohli dropping him unless he bats very badly in India.  Even if we play 3 spinners on a rank turner, they will drop a specialist pacer.

 

We have played atleast 2 specialist pacers in almost all tests in India from 2016.  That should not be changed as reverse swing at pace gets lots of wickets and we are seeing more flat pitches than rank turners from 2016.

 

If we play 3 spinners in India then Pandya should be dropped.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

If we play 3 spinners in India then Pandya should be dropped.

That has becoming a very tempting option jst becoz of kuldeep, i didnt see being an option with jayant yadav

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, mishra said:

No, but if he averages 32 with bat and 38 with ball, I am happy. Currently his batting average is fine. What is not fine is his bowling average. On overseas trip, he has to make most of overseas series.

 

Allthough, I think he will step up if we just play 2 specialist pacers and him being the third seamer. Let him know his role clearly. He is first change bowler to bowl a spell of 5-6 overs. And then work on getting reverse swing when ball gets older

the problem is Pandya does not get to bowl when ball is hard.  he comes in to bowl when all four bowlers have already bowled.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

We have played atleast 2 specialist pacers in almost all tests in India from 2016.  That should not be changed as reverse swing at pace gets lots of wickets and we are seeing more flat pitches than rank turners from 2016.

 

If we play 3 spinners in India then Pandya should be dropped.

How many times did we play 3 spinners in those games? I dont see them playing 3 spinners until it is a rank turner. because if we play 3 spinners and 5 specialist bowlers, one bowler is always under-bowled.

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That has becoming a very tempting option jst becoz of kuldeep, i didnt see being an option with jayant yadav

5th bowler is mostly more or less useless and under-bowled. Test cricket is a game of 4 bowlers. 5th bowler is always an alrounder.  Example, last test against Afhgan when Pandya  took us to a big total after a collapse.  we cant afford it against better bowling sides.

[Sandeep99]

I love how loosely <32 has been thrown in the OP and the title. 

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

How many times did we play 3 spinners in those games? I dont see them playing 3 spinners until it is a rank turner. because if we play 3 spinners and 5 specialist bowlers, one bowler is always under-bowled.

 

Yes ... 5 specialist bowlers means one is usually underbowled.

 

But there will be a lot of pressure to play Kuldeep.

[jusarrived]

9 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

No.

 

1. None of Indian bowler pacer has averaged < 32 in career since Srinath. 

2. Fix a main role for him. If it is batting then he has to be good enough batsman for that position i.e. avg 40.

3. In secondary role he should be able to take wickets regularly irrespective of average.

4. If main role is bowling then wickets per match should be greater than 2 and average not more than 35.

5. Batting average should be greater than 25.

 

 

 

32 is the e new 28 , So as an AR pandya can average ~36-38 I will take it . I doubt he can though . 

Batting average should be higher than 30-32 for a number 6/7  

[mishra]

17 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

the problem is Pandya does not get to bowl when ball is hard.  he comes in to bowl when all four bowlers have already bowled.

Yes, I see that as root cause of poor average. Only way it can be resolved is either by playing 2 seamers+Pandya, Or Pandya himself have to massively improve his bowling to become a new ball bowler.

[SK_IH]

34 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

the problem is Pandya does not get to bowl when ball is hard.  he comes in to bowl when all four bowlers have already bowled.

thats because he is not good enough

[sandeep]

One things' obvious - any thread involving Pandya is a good bet to cross 38 replies!  He's a polarizing topic for sure...

 

 

 

 

[Straight Drive]

17 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

thats because he is not good enough

For a batting all rounder, he had a very good test bowling SR of 48 at a wonderful average of 25 against SL in SL .  

 

But have to agree that in SA it was damn pathetic at sr 102. And versus Afghanistan he could not pick even one wicket in 9 overs so there was no sr at all. Even in first test versus England he failed to pick a wicket, so again no sr in two consecutive test matches. It has been a sharp decline from the SL series as far as his bowling sr is concerned.Now his career sr stands at 88.

 

Unless he takes wickets captain is not going to let him bowl many overs. Remember a captain gets a lot of justified criticism for allowing a partnership to develop by bowling either a all-rounder or a part -timer.Picking wickets in lesser sr is key for him, otherwise it's gonna be a problem in getting more spells.

 

 

 

 

[Samcric]

As a bowler, Pandya needs to be fuller and more consistent. If he is consistent enough on that 4th-5th stump in Eng, he will get wickets. He either lacks control or is trying too many things. Went for 10-11 runs in his first 6 overs and then went for plenty in the next four by providing width.

 

More than the average itself, it is this consistency and ability to build pressure from an end that I want to see him develop.

 

Ideally, India should have a Shane Bond or Zaheer or Gillespie as bowling coach. Not very sure of Arun's capability as coach for pacers. With a good bunch of fast bowlers coming through, we need a fast-bowling coach, now more than ever, who can help them get through these rough phases and make corrections.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, rkt.india said:

on turners batting cushion is important.  so if he plays 3 spinners then i can see them play only one specialist seamer like they did against SA in Nagpur.  To be honest, I want more Dharmashala vs Aus type pitches in India.  it keeps every one in the game and not rank turners.  Until that happens, we will keep struggling overseas.  We render pacers useless at home and then expect them to win series overseas is living in fantasies.

Very well said, they have create pitches more suitable to fast bowlers at the risk of losing series at home too if they want good pace bowling attacks.