Why chasing in 4th innings is so difficult in test cricket?

[Austin 3:!6]

I mean 245 is a walk in the park in white ball cricket. Hell 245 is even scored in T20s and Rohit Sharma alone has 260 odd score.

But in test cricket India chased anything over 240 just 3 times in entire history, can you believe it? Why is there such a drastic difference? Does players need to change their mindset and go more into ODI mode while chasing in test cricket? How can batting in 4th innings be improved?

[ravishingravi]

It’s mindset. You have Warner or Sehwag in there. They can change the mindset completely. Treat it like a chase

[Austin 3:!6]

1 minute ago, ravishingravi said:

It’s mindset. You have Warner or Sehwag in there. They can change the mindset completely. Treat it like a chase

Completely agree. At least in ODIs there is a pressure of run rate etc. In test cricket there are no such things, so it should be rather easier

[NareshK]

ODIs/T20s are tailor made for batsmen. The red ball and the pitches in tests offers lot more help for bowlers especially on 4th and 5th days.

Edited September 2, 2018 by NareshK

[Tibarn]

The pitch breaks up from wear and tear. You get more reverse swing and especially spin.

[LordPrabhzy]

3 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Completely agree. At least in ODIs there is a pressure of run rate etc. In test cricket there are no such things, so it should be rather easier

Indian batsmen esp this generation under Kohli's captaincy are mental midgets. Everyone's scared over their place therefore cant play freely and score runs at a higher rate. Result-- they get bogged down and lose their wicket due to relentless pressure by bowlers.

 

Otherwise there is no reason a a team cannot chase 200 odd in TWO days thats nearly 150-170 overs 

[Adi BB]

Mental block is the biggest blocks,good ,mentally strong batting units have chased some good 4th innibgs total in the past 

[Temujin Khaghan]

Dravid, vvs and sehwag who were instrumental in our successful chases are basically gifts which will not keep coming.

[NareshK]

2 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Indian batsmen esp this generation under Kohli's captaincy are mental midgets. Everyone's scared over their place therefore cant play freely and score runs at a higher rate. Result-- they get bogged down and lose their wicket due to relentless pressure by bowlers.

 

Otherwise there is no reason a a team cannot chase 200 odd in TWO days thats nearly 150-170 overs 

If you think "scoring at a higher rate" is that easy on 4th, 5th days in England, you better stop watching test cricket. Better stick to watching T20s on patta wickets.

[Trichromatic]

10 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

I mean 245 is a walk in the park in white ball cricket. Hell 245 is even scored in T20s and Rohit Sharma alone has 260 odd score.

But in test cricket India chased anything over 240 just 3 times in entire history, can you believe it? Why is there such a drastic difference? Does players need to change their mindset and go more into ODI mode while chasing in test cricket? How can batting in 4th innings be improved?

This is what happens in T20 in bowling friendly conditions.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8604/scorecard/951329/india-vs-new-zealand-13th-match-super-10-group-2-world-t20-2015-16

 

and in ODIs

236 all out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18018/scorecard/1119547/england-vs-india-2nd-odi-ind-in-eng-2018

112 all out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18074/scorecard/1122726/india-vs-sri-lanka-1st-odi-sl-in-india-2017-18

 

245 is not walk in the park in LOIs if conditions favor bowlers.

[Trichromatic]

12 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

It’s mindset. You have Warner or Sehwag in there. They can change the mindset completely. Treat it like a chase

What would Sehwag and Warner do in such conditions? They would be first one to walk away.

 

 

[Austin 3:!6]

Think we need to change our approach. With defensive technique we are losing anyway. From next time, just go after the bowling (aka Sehwag), field will spread and it will become easier.

[zen]

The pitch is relatively difficult to bat on .... the opposition would be going for the kill 

 

if opposition bowled full tosses and half trackers, I am sure we would do better 

 

To see the answer, see how Ind lost to Pak in the test where Tendulkar got that 100 .... or see Srinath rip apart SA at A’bad in 1996

[LordPrabhzy]

Just now, NareshK said:

If you think "scoring at a higher rate" is that easy on 4th, 5th days in England, you better stop watching test cricket. Better stick to watching T20s on patta wickets.

I dont mean going at 9 RPO you dense person  Ive probably been watching test cricket longer than you so lets not go there.

 

What i mean is if you sneak a boundary once per over you put pressure on the bowler. If you block and block while restricting scoring shots you put pressure on the team chasing a total.

[Trichromatic]

11 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Completely agree. At least in ODIs there is a pressure of run rate etc. In test cricket there are no such things, so it should be rather easier

When do teams score 250 easily in bowling friendly conditions in ODIs?

[Austin 3:!6]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

This is what happens in T20 in bowling friendly conditions.

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8604/scorecard/951329/india-vs-new-zealand-13th-match-super-10-group-2-world-t20-2015-16

 

and in ODIs

236 all out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18018/scorecard/1119547/england-vs-india-2nd-odi-ind-in-eng-2018

112 all out

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18074/scorecard/1122726/india-vs-sri-lanka-1st-odi-sl-in-india-2017-18

 

245 is not walk in the park in LOIs if conditions favor bowlers.

Those are extreme conditions for batting with green tinge of grass. This pitch under baking sunshine is far from unplayable.

245 is not a big deal at all if you ask me. Even England in last test scored 330 odd in last innings

[NareshK]

1 minute ago, LordPrabhzy said:

I dont mean going at 9 RPO you dense person  Ive probably been watching test cricket longer than you so lets not go there.

 

What i mean is if you sneak a boundary once per over you put pressure on the bowler. If you block and block while restricting scoring shots you put pressure on the team chasing a total.

You know better than Kohli who is one of the greatest chasers in cricket. Thanks for the laugh, dumbass.

[Trichromatic]

Just now, Austin 3:!6 said:

Those are extreme conditions for batting with green tinge of grass. This pitch under baking sunshine is far from unplayable.

245 is not a big deal at all if you ask me. Even England in last test scored 330 odd in last innings

Can you share instances teams scoring 250+ in ODIs in similar conditions where ball is swinging and turning?

 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

Just now, NareshK said:

You know better than Kohli who is one of the greatest chasers in LOI cricket. Thanks for the laugh, dumbass.

Corrected that for you dumbass

[NareshK]

2 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Think we need to change our approach. With defensive technique we are losing anyway. From next time, just go after the bowling (aka Sehwag), field will spread and it will become easier.

This fruitcake thinks scoring a few boundaries will spread the field.  Its not IPL ffs.