beetle Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) People like chinmayi and sapna Bhagnani should let people do their own talking instead of becoming mob pointers. This will just dilute the credibility of the movement. People have to realize that anonymous complaints do not hold water. One will have to be brave enough to say it with their names and details. Otherwise make peace with it . Don't dilute the movement with your over enthusiasm . It should not turn into a witch hunt or glory hunt . Edited October 13, 2018 by beetle riya, philcric, coffee_rules and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Vazquez Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 At this rate no person who has ever visited or lived in India would be safe from this epidemic. Many people are ignoring Adhyayan Suman who had something to say about Kangana Switchblade and mishra 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 It's really a battle between successful vs less successful people. And there are many facets to it. - Today first time there is window where less successful people are getting a voice and tell their stories. - The successful people historically have always covered up accusations, and get a free ride. So how will this be any different? - Name and shame tactics works only for a limited time, without any logically end. - It's not about just Indians, there seems to "successful" foreigners who have exploited our people as well. - There may be some less successful people who will use this to settle scores and their anger by false accusations - Yet, it's not open free. Like society doesn't see well to a less successful man accusing a successful woman. - This battle isn't about the ordinary Indians, and really nothing about woman empowerment about the average person. - Successful people battling against each other also needs to happen, like the Aishwarya vs Salman UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunya Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 3 hours ago, beetle said: People like chinmayi and sapna Bhagnani should let people do their own talking instead of becoming mob pointers. This will just dilute the credibility of the movement. People have to realize that anonymous complaints do not hold water. One will have to be brave enough to say it with their names and details. Otherwise make peace with it . Don't dilute the movement with your over enthusiasm . It should not turn into a witch hunt or glory hunt . Finally some sense setting in... media frenzy is never about justice... its just empowering those media people and social media kings and queen by accumulating support causing anarchy. Switchblade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beetle Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Shunya said: 5 hours ago, beetle said: Finally some sense setting in... media frenzy is never about justice Wtf!! Totally support people speaking up about abuse suffered by them in the media. I never supported anonymous complaints or third party endorsement of complaints. Most people who have been named seem to have had a predator reputation in their circle already . Now the world is talking about it. riya and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Sajid khan named by journo Karishma Upadhyay and actrese Saloni Chopra. One of the biggest jerks in Bollywood. Akshay has opted out of his Houseful 4 after this. Farhan Akhtar says he is heartbroken. Dont think these guys were not aware of his behaviour. Laaloo, beetle, Switchblade and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunya Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, beetle said: Totally support people speaking up about abuse suffered by them in the media. I never supported anonymous complaints or third party endorsement of complaints. Chalo, atleast you dont support anonymous complaints or third party endorsement of complaints. Thats a good start. Slowly you will also understand someday that accused is not guilty because media or social media says so. Btw, #metoo movement that people talk about is still going on, almost 50% stories were anonymous to start with. All the feminazis were championing it when it started because it was women vs men for them. Some of them are losing support bcos the frenzy cannot last for long time and the jounalists/media(who themselves are the biggest culprits) have conveniently shifted focus completely on bollywood which everyone would love to see fall anyways as they know how fake they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Shunya said: Chalo, atleast you dont support anonymous complaints or third party endorsement of complaints. Thats a good start. Slowly you will also understand someday that accused is not guilty because media or social media says so. Btw, #metoo movement that people talk about is still going on, almost 50% stories were anonymous to start with. All the feminazis were championing it when it started because it was women vs men for them. Some of them are losing support bcos the frenzy cannot last for long time and the jounalists/media(who themselves are the biggest culprits) have conveniently shifted focus completely on bollywood which everyone would love to see fall anyways as they know how fake they are. Some big names in journalism have fallen . MJ akbar appatently was a known predator in media circles. Just the common people did not know. Now names are coming out . UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rageaddict Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 51 minutes ago, Number said: Sajid khan named by journo Karishma Upadhyay and actrese Saloni Chopra. One of the biggest jerks in Bollywood. Akshay has opted out of his Houseful 4 after this. Farhan Akhtar says he is heartbroken. Dont think these guys were not aware of his behaviour. Don't know why these people have to opt out of working with the accused. There are still mere allegations with no evidence. Must be the pressure from the media and the feminists. Maybe after this movement fizzles out in the future they will be back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunya Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 >>The Pyar ka punchnama & Sonu ke titu ki sweety fame director - Luv Ranjan is next target. Iski toh band bajni hi thi, itni jurrat ki usne male POV wali movies banake... oh man... easy target this man luv-ranjan-asked-me-to-strip-during-my-first-look-test >>Anu Malik accused by Sona mohapatra as a sexual predator has posted stuff like "He called me a maal" and other All over her twitter and much more - https://twitter.com/sonamohapatra * yaar, this man made so many good songs copying from various places... how am I going to enjoy it now...damn >> Pooja Mishra has accused Salman khan, arbaaz khan, sohail khan, shatrugan sinha, etc of RAPE. Seems like nobody is taking her seriously even though she is not anonymous. >>> Sapna bhavnani is now full on Anti- AB mode... egging women to come out of the stories that she has heard for years Amitabh bachchan will be the biggest fish if it happens...Again she is not anonymously doing it. All in open. Her twitter has more such khulaasas Switchblade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rageaddict Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) None of the reputable media sources are reporting the accusations against Salman Khan, just goes to show how powerful he is. Flop movement is Flop. No Sonam, Kareena, Karishma, Bipasha Raveena and other pheminist actresses are going to speak a word against Bhaijaan. Edited October 13, 2018 by rageaddict Laaloo, Shunya, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shunya Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 53 minutes ago, beetle said: Some big names in journalism have fallen . MJ akbar appatently was a known predator in media circles. Just the common people did not know. Now names are coming out . Very interesting development in TS Sudheer case. NDTV editor wife supporting his ex-NDTV accused husband by silencing victims on one hand. While they are pursuing MJ Akbar case obviously bcos he is a minister. Reeks of lot of bias. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 13, 2018 Author Share Posted October 13, 2018 It has just been reduced to a political battle in India , the #MeToo. Right vs Left. BJP vs Non-BJP. Certainly, optics looks bad for some people, like, Sanskaari bapu. . Rest are name calling, mud slinging matches. Shunya, Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: It has just been reduced to a political battle in India , the #MeToo. Right vs Left. BJP vs Non-BJP. Certainly, optics looks bad for some people, like, Sanskaari bapu. . Rest are name calling, mud slinging matches. That's good. Indian politics and bollywood aren't much different. There is nepotism, hypocrisy, exploitation. Many who take a high moral ground have now been exposed, it's a bad time for so called liberals.... Quote From twitter: When it is one of their own, it is a mild ‘he will have to atone for his behaviour’, if it is anyone else, ‘hang the b*^%#rd’! That’s the swish fiberal set for you :) . UrmiSinhaRay and coffee_rules 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Ndtv can initiate or derail any movement in India. Switchblade, Shunya and UrmiSinhaRay 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I already had this belief every one in the movie industry resorted to some level of harassment. There may be few exceptions. But given the things they show in movies is conceptualized in their brain. Glamour song, glamour scene that are not needed are 100% the idea of men. Either the producer who is a male or the director himself. RGV's oogling at Melania or Rishi kapoor's tasteless retweet of Hillary clinton's meme. It all shows the inner side. Whatever you see in their interviews or in movies are not real. Real side is unknown. This is true across the world. Long time back there was one associate director revealed it is such a normalized act that if Big B walked into (he was obviously referring to him) a room with a woman in the eyes of so many people, they act like it is perfectly normal. Consequences of coming out and accusing someone is very serious. They will obliterate you. Thousands and thousands of women had to sleep with agent, assistant director, producer, actors, directors and many of them never had a chance. Now it is their turn to pay back. Having brushed with few movie industry people i already knew about lot of ugly things. In TN in the 90s there was a true story about an anonymous actress (Actress Rambha) who spilled the beans about actors with clues. One was Karthik, One was Sarathkumar. Actors started worrying. They managed to convince the magazine to discontinue the story using political clout. Alam_dar, UrmiSinhaRay, beetle and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchblade Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Quote #MeToo: BCCI CEO Rahul Johri accused of sexual harassment https://www.crictracker.com/metoo-bcci-ceo-rahul-johri-accused-of-sexual-harassment/ The woman, who remained anonymous, claimed to be from the same profession and accused Johri of sexual misconduct in regards to an incident that occurred while both of them were working for different media institutions. According to her account, when she and Johri were colleagues, he used his position to offer her a job, and subsequently lured her into his appartment. Currently, these are only allegations, and subsequent investigations could reveal further details about the incident. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 (edited) Metoo Movement (My perspective): 1. All men (without any exception) have potential to turn out aggressive against women. So, men have to be "controlled" constantly through morals, fear of god, fear of society, fear of law, fear of modern technology. While women have to be fully supported to immediately come out and report such incidences, and then it should also be made sure that the powerful Mafia of the man does not harm her. 2. Muslim young women, for the very first time, came out and told the world that they were sexually molested during the Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca). Such thing is unimaginable for Muslims and they denied those Muslim ladies. Hajj is the only Muslim occasion where there is a mixed gathering. For the Muslim world, it was a shock how could one do such a thing in the house of Allah. But the rules of nature are much bigger than any fear of Muslim Allah. Muslim women started #metoo like movement on the net, and as a result, Saudi government had to place a lot of police who tries to stop such incidents, but practically impossible during the Hajj season. I just hope and actually believe that #metoo movement will get more success than what the Muslim ladies achieved. 3. Islam got a very very sick law, where the raped woman was demanded either to keep quite if she has been raped, otherwise she was demanded to bring the 4 eye witnesses of the rape. And if she failed in bringing the 4 eye witnesses of her rape (which is practically impossible), then she was punished with 80 lashes. Due to this stupid rule, perhaps there exist not a single Muslim woman (during the last 14 centuries of history of Islam), who was raped and then ever got the justice. Even in the prisons of Pakistan, there are women who went to the authorities after the rape, and now they ended up in the prisons of Pakistan. Even today, if a woman is raped in Pakistan, then DNA test is not taken as a primary proof, but she still has to bring the eye witnesses. === 4. In modern world, the main issue is of finding a "Balance" in the laws. In India, the laws favoured women so much in the dowry case, that they became out of balance and men suffered due to this. 5. How to achieve a "balance" in case of the rape cases? * Women should be encouraged to immediately come out and report the things in the Police. There is no harm if they go to the Media too. * Men should not be allowed to serve any legal notice against the women for reporting any incident (like in this case Tanu has been served legal notices from Nana and Agni). * Police has to investigate. There could only be 3 possible results of the Police investigation: (a) There are enough proofs against the man that he sexually assaulted. (b) There are no proofs against the man, but there are enough proofs that woman made the False Charges intentionally to harm him. (c) There are proofs neither against the sexual assault, nor against the woman that she is intentionally telling a lie. * The first 2 cases are easy and there should be punishments in these first two cases. But unfortunately, majority of the cases will end up in the 3rd category. So what to do about them? Very first step: There should be laws for the employer that they could not fire the person from the job due to any such charge. And if they try to fire a employee, then they had to face the punishment. You should not take the bread and butter of the man due to such charges. It happened in case of Muhammad Shami where he almost lost the central contract due to the charges by his wife. Similarly, Akshay Kumar left the film while he thinks that women were right about their charges. This should also not happen. Therefore, if any person makes any such statement that he is leaving to work with the accused person (without the court judgement), then such person should also be forbidden to do so. Second step: Start educating the kids about the women rights to be touched and consent etc. at the age of 11/12 years (just like the sex education). Secular law of India gives India chance to stand along with the societies of the West. But unfortunately, the education level regarding women rights is much much less in India. This should change. Even this education will also not make Indian society perfect. In West, in Hollywood, we still have such incidents. Nevertheless, still education makes things better. Use of latest technologies i.e. Cameras, medical tests etc. could play a great role in this field. Surely cameras are being installed every where with time and they are making life difficult for the criminals. Edited October 13, 2018 by Alam_dar Shunya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riya Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 16 hours ago, beetle said: People like chinmayi and sapna Bhagnani should let people do their own talking instead of becoming mob pointers. This will just dilute the credibility of the movement. People have to realize that anonymous complaints do not hold water. One will have to be brave enough to say it with their names and details. Otherwise make peace with it . Don't dilute the movement with your over enthusiasm . It should not turn into a witch hunt or glory hunt . Yes...how can they simply put a name and hash tag stating annonymous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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