Austin 3:!6 Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: I like Viv but he is noway better than Kohli.Nobody is close to this guy.Viv had more power but that was also his downfall. Kohli greatest asset is his risk free accumulation unlike any batsman in history. Agree Link to comment
Switchblade Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Kohli has now scored more ODI hundreds since the start of 2016 (13) than any England batsman has managed ever (Trescothick and Root with 12). Rightarmfast and express bowling 1 1 Link to comment
Lannister Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Enough of minnow bashing. Rest him for next three matches. The only question is, can he replicate the same thing in knockout stages in World tournaments? Stan AF, SK_IH, Austin 3:!6 and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: We did. The monkey gate incident, that series we won the ODI series. oh... i forgot ... thanks for reminding Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said: We did. The monkey gate incident, that series we won the ODI series. that was the CAB tri series ... that I am well aware of...that's why I got a little puzzled as to which bilateral you were referring to Link to comment
Vilander Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 23 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: yet another customary 100 for Kohli. Hope he carries this form in AUS and win the one day series there . Think we have never won an one day series in AUS, till date Cb series. Link to comment
test fan Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said: Parosis are still clinging onto the straw, now saying ok agreed he is 2nd best ODI batsman after Viv Yea I read there .BC they think only around Pakistan wether it's politics or cricket ,they feel like we r best in d world but really in chutiyo ki koi ijjat Ni h Kahi pe bhi ( only best in d world for spreding terrorism this point only I agree with them ) Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 31 minutes ago, putrevus said: I like Viv but he is noway better than Kohli.Nobody is close to this guy.Viv had more power but that was also his downfall. Kohli greatest asset is his risk free accumulation unlike any batsman in history. agreed .....Kohli's greatest asset is his risk free accumulation unlike any batsman in history.But cricket being a game where it all needs is a single quality ' ball' for the batsman to didcontinue thru the rest of the inns, how can you guarantee that Virat would have achieved the same rate of success in Viv's period too??? There in lies the complete confusion & difficulty in comparing 2 great batsmen from 2 different eras... To be more precise, Viv had that method of his own to bloke out those frequently coming deadly wicket taking balls at him and yet score so freely in between. That is why he became such a legendary one day batsman. Just because Virat is so good at playing risk free cricket on high scoring batting friendly wkts, can you guarantee that his technique would have been so effective in keeping out those nasty wkt taking deliveries that came at frequent intervals and yet score so much in between?? velu 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: agreed .....Kohli's greatest asset is his risk free accumulation unlike any batsman in history.But cricket being a game where it all needs is a single quality ' ball' for the batsman to didcontinue thru the rest of the inns, how can you guarantee that Virat would have achieved the same rate of success in Viv's period too??? There in lies the complete confusion & difficulty in comparing 2 great batsmen from 2 different eras... To be more precise, Viv had that method of his own to bloke out those frequently coming deadly wicket taking balls at him and yet score so freely in between. That is why he became such a legendary one day batsman. Just because Virat is so good at playing risk free cricket on high scoring batting friendly wkts, can you guarantee that his technique would have been so effective in keeping out those nasty wkt taking deliveries that came at frequent intervals and yet score so much in between?? Kohli method will work in any era against any opposition including 1983 WI bowling attack (greatest attack in my book).Therefore you rarely see slumps from Kohli in odis, he keeps everything so simple and that is his greatest virtue. The way he decoded Malinga who was so effective against all major batsmen is just one example why he is so good. BTW what nasty wickets did Richards play and excel?? Edited October 24, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, putrevus said: Kohli method will work in any era against any opposition including 1983 WI bowling attack (greatest attack in my book).Therefore you rarely see slumps from Kohli in odis, he keeps everything so simple and that is his greatest virtue. The way he decoded Malinga who was so effective against all major batsmen is just one example why he is so good. BTW what nasty wickets did Richards play and excel?? Viv played in an era where 3-3.5 & 3.5-4 was the norm econ: for quality bowlers of his time. And that in turn points to the general nastiness w.r.t batting in those times. BTW just because you says that 'Kohli method will work in any era against any opposition including 1983 WI bowling attack (greatest attack in my book)' , how is that a matter of proof?? And the 2nd part I agrees with ... Kohli is so consistant in scoring heavily in these much batting friendly conditions where the frequency of a deadly wicket taking delivery thru out an inns in general is very lower when compared to those of Vi's times.But that doesn't provide any assurance that he could have become proportionally successful in Viv's era too. Link to comment
Rightarmfast Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 1 hour ago, putrevus said: I like Viv but he is noway better than Kohli.Nobody is close to this guy.Viv had more power but that was also his downfall. Kohli greatest asset is his risk free accumulation unlike any batsman in history. Viv wasn’t better than Sachin either. That’s just them trying to belittle indian stars express bowling 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: Viv played in an era where 3-3.5 & 3.5-4 was the norm econ: for quality bowlers of his time. And that in turn points to the general nastiness w.r.t batting in those times. BTW just because you says that 'Kohli method will work in any era against any opposition including 1983 WI bowling attack (greatest attack in my book)' , how is that a matter of proof?? And the 2nd part I agrees with ... Kohli is so consistant in scoring heavily in these much batting friendly conditions where the frequency of a deadly wicket taking delivery thru out an inns in general is very lower when compared to those of Vi's times.But that doesn't provide any assurance that he could have become proportionally successful in Viv's era too. Viv was scoring in era for 3.5 becuase that is what they could do, game has evolved, I don't see what attacks which Viv faced were better than what Kohli is facing today. Did I offer any proof, all I said that 1983 attack is greatest in my book, I never asked you to take it as proof. What assurance can you give that Viv Richards will succeed in this era.It is all matter of opinion thats all. Edited October 24, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, putrevus said: Viv was scoring in era for 3.5 becuase that is what they could do, game has evolved, I don't see what attacks which Viv faced were better than what Kohli is facing today. Did I offer any proof, all I said that 1983 attack is greatest in my book, I never asked you to take it as proof. What assurance can you give that Viv Richards will succeed in this era.It is all matter of opinion thats all. it is only a matter of simple common sense to realize that when 3-3.5-4 was the general bowling econ: norm , batsmen would have found it generally lot more tougher( to achieve high avg:es and str: rates) than 5-5.5-6 econ: norm as it is seen today.Then why are you asking these questions like 'what attacks which Viv faced were better than what Kohli is facing today.'???? yes... I do not have the audacity to say that had Viv batted in these conditions , he would have been definitely better than Virat in the same way as you claims that 'Virat definitely is a better batsman than Viv' . yes it is all matter of opinions. Edited October 24, 2018 by rtmohanlal Link to comment
SK_IH Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 13 hours ago, Lannister said: Enough of minnow bashing. Rest him for next three matches. The only question is, can he replicate the same thing in knockout stages in World tournaments? Yup that would be a clincher Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 hours ago, Rightarmfast said: Viv wasn’t better than Sachin either. That’s just them trying to belittle indian stars Viv was Sehwag who could play fast bowlers very well.Sorry he was good but I would not put him as number 1 when he never faced his own team's bowling. Nonbeliever and Rightarmfast 1 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 it is only a matter of simple common sense to realize that when 3-3.5-4 was the general bowling econ: norm , batsmen would have found it generally lot more tougher( to achieve high avg:es and str: rates) than 5-5.5-6 econ: norm as it is seen today.Then why are you asking these questions like 'what attacks which Viv faced were better than what Kohli is facing today.'???? yes... I do not have the audacity to say that had Viv batted in these conditions , he would have been definitely better than Virat in the same way as you claims that 'Virat definitely is a better batsman than Viv' . yes it is all matter of opinions.I claim Kohli as better because his game is built on running between the wickets and playing strokes along the ground.That part of the game has not changed it does not what economy rates are prevalent Kohli will be be able to bat close to his SR.36 100s vs 11 100s in comparable number of matches is huge difference. I don’t care who it is scoring hundreds like Kohli is doing is beyond compare. Viv never faced his own attack.It was not due great bowlers or bowling conditions economy rates were now but it was due to mindset of batsmen.Kapil scored 36 ball 72 against this same West Indies in 1983 and had career SR of 98 playing in same era.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, putrevus said: I claim Kohli as better because his game is built on running between the wickets and playing strokes along the ground. That part of the game has not changed it does not what economy rates are prevalent Kohli will be be able to bat close to his SR. 36 100s vs 11 100s in comparable number of matches is huge difference. I don’t care who it is scoring hundreds like Kohli is doing is beyond compare. Viv never faced his own attack. It was not due great bowlers or bowling conditions economy rates were now but it was due to mindset of batsmen. Kapil scored 36 ball 72 against this same West Indies in 1983 and had career SR of 98 playing in same era. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk but i oppose your claim because a batsman needs great defence technique and his own related method to with stand the quality deliveries that frequently comes at him as was the case with Viv's times. That means mere survival itself was a big task those days as the general econ: norm of 3-3.5-4 shows .Then only one can even dare to play strokes along the ground. So the basic criteria itself was so different back then when compared to that of now a days.That being the case it is senseless to compare number of 100s of both these players. Kapil scored because he was such a naturally talented batsman. So the basic matter is it is your personnel choice to consider who ever as the better batsman, but your reasons for the same cannot be accepted as such Link to comment
jalebi_bhai Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Needs to boss 1 50 over WC to sign and seal the mantle of greatest ODI #3. Link to comment
putrevus Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 59 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: but i oppose your claim because a batsman needs great defence technique and his own related method to with stand the quality deliveries that frequently comes at him as was the case with Viv's times. That means mere survival itself was a big task those days as the general econ: norm of 3-3.5-4 shows .Then only one can even dare to play strokes along the ground. So the basic criteria itself was so different back then when compared to that of now a days.That being the case it is senseless to compare number of 100s of both these players. Kapil scored because he was such a naturally talented batsman. So the basic matter is it is your personnel choice to consider who ever as the better batsman, but your reasons for the same cannot be accepted as such I am not asking you to accept my claim. If Kapil could score at that high SR no offense to Kapil I am his biggest fan Kohli could easily score at 85 plus SR without breaking sweat. We are comparing Bradman to all other batsmen even though he played his last match over 70 years ago why becuase he was that good in that era , any good batsmen in their era will succeed in any era. Viv along with Sachin will be legends even if they played now likewise Kohli has game to adapt to any conditions against any bowling attack. Your claim that he is scoring 100s just becuase of playing conditions and lack of good bowlers is ridiculous. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, putrevus said: I am not asking you to accept my claim. If Kapil could score at that high SR no offense to Kapil I am his biggest fan Kohli could easily score at 85 plus SR without breaking sweat. We are comparing Bradman to all other batsmen even though he played his last match over 70 years ago why becuase he was that good in that era , any good batsmen in their era will succeed in any era. Viv along with Sachin will be legends even if they played now likewise Kohli has game to adapt to any conditions against any bowling attack. Your claim that he is scoring 100s just becuase of playing conditions and lack of good bowlers is ridiculous. you are making things of your own.... I just maintain that Kohli would have far lesser stats in those much tougher batting conditions. That's all .Naturally that would affect his no: of 100s too.Nor do I question Kohli's greatness. Nor do I question your choice of order w.r.t these batsmen . The only matter that I question are the reasons for your conclusions which i can't agree with. Link to comment
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