Pak: 1992 vs 2019

[zen]

Per Markhor fans, 2019 is supposed to replicate 1992 with its team winning the WC. As we know, 1992 had 8 group games, while 2019 has 9. In 1992, Pak ended with 9 points. In 2019, it is on 9. Does 1992 happening again in 2019 mean that Pak will remain on 9 points (BD will win)?

 

9 points in 1992 = in. 9 points in 2019 = out? Who will win Pak vs BD?  .... Vote. Poll closes before the start of the game on Friday

 

[kubrickian]

At the end of the day, cricket will be the winner.

[mishra]

Feel for Sarfaraz guys, He could have been the PM of Pakistan

[First class]

2019 team should thank to couple of player like Babar and Amir to take them to 5th position. Very average team overall, overachieved .

[zen]

Say Pak bats first to score 330. When BD is around 30, Pak would be out of the race. The match result will only be academical 

 

Maybe Pak can bowl first to hope to reduce BD to a manageable total which can be chased at RRR + 6 playing like a T20 game

[Bhaiyya]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Say Pak bats first to score 330. When BD is around 30, Pak would be out of the race. The match result will only be academical 

 

Maybe Pak can bowl first to hope to reduce BD to a manageable total which can be chased at RRR + 6 playing like a T20 game

Not possible @zen bhai. Bangladesh batting first automatically put Pak out of the race. The run deficit of around 300+ cannot be negated if Pak bowls first. 

[zen]

1 minute ago, Bhaiyya said:

Not possible @zen bhai. Bangladesh batting first automatically put Pak out of the race. The run deficit of around 300+ cannot be negated if Pak bowls first. 

Difficult task, I agree but note that 300+ is calculated at a RR of 6+ over 50 overs 

 

For e.g. if BD gets bundled out for 200. And Pak chases it in 19 overs, it would have won with an NRR of 6+

 

 

[Ranvir]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

Difficult task, I agree but note that 300+ is calculated at a RR of 6+ over 50 overs 

 

For e.g. if BD gets bundled out for 200. And Pak chases it in 19 overs, it would have won with an NRR of 6+

 

 

No, he means that if Bangladesh decide to bat first there is no possibility whatsoever of Pakistan winning. As in mathematically impossible.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Ranvir said:

No, he means that if Bangladesh decide to bat first there is no possibility whatsoever of Pakistan winning. As in mathematically impossible.

Sides can win batting 2nd. I guess what you are implying is that if BD gets to a big total batting first that would take Pak out of the game but that is one of the factors Pak would have to consider as it is relatively difficult to win by 300+ runs than to chase a small total quickly 

[Ranvir]

Just now, zen said:

Sides can win batting 2nd. I guess what you are implying is that if BD gets to a big total batting first that would take Pak out of the game but that is one of the factors Pak would have to consider as it is relatively difficult to win by 300+ runs than to chase a small total quickly 

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1263932

 

It says here:

 

The equation is simple, really. Not easy, but simple. Pakistan need to bat first. They then need to score 400 and dismiss Bangladesh for 84. That’s a win margin of 316 runs – never been achieved in the history of one-day cricket, let alone at a tournament such as the World Cup. Those margins will change depending on the scores, but the crux is that Pakistan will have to do the improbable to trump New Zealand and make the semi-finals. If Bangladesh bat first, then Pakistan are out even before the game begins.

[zen]

 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1263932

 

It says here:

 

The equation is simple, really. Not easy, but simple. Pakistan need to bat first. They then need to score 400 and dismiss Bangladesh for 84. That’s a win margin of 316 runs – never been achieved in the history of one-day cricket, let alone at a tournament such as the World Cup. Those margins will change depending on the scores, but the crux is that Pakistan will have to do the improbable to trump New Zealand and make the semi-finals. If Bangladesh bat first, then Pakistan are out even before the game begins.

 

The preview has got it wrong. If Pak scores 400, its RR is 8. If BD scores 84, its run rate would be 1.68 (84/50). 8.00 - 1.68 gives an NRR of 6.32. Alternately, 316/50 = 6.32. 

 

Now if BD gets bundled out for 200, its RR is 4 (200/50). if Pak chases the 200 in 19 overs, its NRR would be above 6.32! 

 

Which is why I said that if Pak scores 330, and BD gets to 17, the game has only academic interest. Therefore, Pak would need to evaluate if it is better off chasing where its bowlers can try to restrict BD and its batsmen can play like T20. 

 

 

[Bhaiyya]

33 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The preview has got it wrong. If Pak scores 400, its RR is 8. If BD scores 84, its run rate would be 1.68 (84/50). 8.00 - 1.68 gives an NRR of 6.32. Alternately, 316/50 = 6.32. 

 

Now if BD gets bundled out for 200, its RR is 4 (200/50). if Pak chases the 200 in 19 overs, its NRR would be above 6.32! 

 

Which is why I said that if Pak scores 330, and BD gets to 17, the game has only academic interest. Therefore, Pak would need to evaluate if it is better off chasing where its bowlers can try to restrict BD and its batsmen can play like T20. 

 

 

So far, Pakistan's total runs scored/overs - 1710/339 vs Pakistan's total runs conceded/overs- 1773/304 

 

Now let's take your scenario and add 200/19 and 200/50 respectively in each section, which brings the total NRR to :

 

1910/356 - 1973/354 = 5.36 - 5.57 = -0.21. Still not enough to take over NZ's NRR

 

What you are assuming is to add current match NRR to previous one. It always comes down to the total number of runs scored/overs - runs conceded/overs.

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Bhaiyya

[New guy]

20 minutes ago, zen said:

 

The preview has got it wrong. If Pak scores 400, its RR is 8. If BD scores 84, its run rate would be 1.68 (84/50). 8.00 - 1.68 gives an NRR of 6.32. Alternately, 316/50 = 6.32. 

 

Now if BD gets bundled out for 200, its RR is 4 (200/50). if Pak chases the 200 in 19 overs, its NRR would be above 6.32! 

 

Which is why I said that if Pak scores 330, and BD gets to 17, the game has only academic interest. Therefore, Pak would need to evaluate if it is better off chasing where its bowlers can try to restrict BD and its batsmen can play like T20. 

 

 

Dude NRR is not current match NRR added to the previous match. It's total run scored/total overs for 9 matches - total runs conceded/total overs for 9 matches. In your first scenario the NRR wont even go up by +0.6. In the second scenario as number of overs played is low there will be much less increase in NRR

 

Pakistan has no chance if they bat second even if Bangla get 0 and they score a 6 of a no ball. They have almost impossible chance if they bat first

Edited July 4, 2019 by New guy

[zen]

12 minutes ago, Bhaiyya said:

So far, Pakistan's total runs scored/overs - 1710/339 vs Pakistan's total runs conceded/overs- 1773/304 

 

Now let's take your scenario and add 200/19 and 200/50 respectively in each section, which brings the entire total to :

 

1910/356 - 1973/354 = 5.36 - 5.57 = -0.21. Still not enough to take over NZ's Run rate

 

I did those calculations now and it appears as if BD bats first, it is not creating favorable scenarios for Pak 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, New guy said:

Dude NRR is not current match NRR added to the previous match. It's total run scored/total overs for 9 matches - total runs conceded/total overs for 9 matches. In your first scenario the NRR wont even go up by +0.6. In the second scenario as number of overs played is low there will be much less increase in NRR

 

Pakistan has no chance if they bat second even if Bangla get 0 and they score a 6 of a no ball. They have almost impossible chance if they bat first

You are correct. I did those calculations now. Makes me feel better

[Ranvir]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

You are correct. I did those calculations now. Makes me feel better

I'm sure the ICC guys wouldn't have made such a bold statement without doing their checks first.

[Iconoclast]

Pak bowl BD out for zero

BD bowl wide first ball

Pak win with RR of infinity (1 from zero balls)

 

[philcric]

30 minutes ago, Iconoclast said:

Pak bowl BD out for zero

BD bowl wide first ball

Pak win with RR of infinity (1 from zero balls)

 

 

Still not good enough 

 

[Iconoclast]

Just now, philcric said:

 

Still not good enough 

 

Well we beat the Kiwi's.

 

Head 2 head should be above NRR.

 

 

[philcric]

4 minutes ago, Iconoclast said:

Well we beat the Kiwi's.

 

Head 2 head should be above NRR.

 

 

 

Won't work if 3 or more teams have the same number of points.

 

PS: And not just for the 4th spot, but other spots too. Let's say Aus, Ind and Eng had ended with 13 points and Aus beat Eng, Eng beat Ind, Ind beat Aus. Or one of the matches among these teams rained off. Who would be #1, #2, #3? Unnecessarily complicated.

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by philcric