I honestly think India will win this World Cup...

[Deleted_User_1]

3 hours ago, Vijy said:

esp for the ind team post-2013.

Yep in this knockout stage NZ is good enough to cause an upset. On paper India is the better team, but paper does not translate into reality always. Weather predicts intermittent rain tomorrow with covered skies. Boult could easily run through this lineup with his incoming missiles.

[Vijy]

21 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

Yep in this knockout stage NZ is good enough to cause an upset. On paper India is the better team, but paper does not translate into reality always. Weather predicts intermittent rain tomorrow with covered skies. Boult could easily run through this lineup with his incoming missiles. 

the best way to prevent it is to have our tuk-tukers up front.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

12 hours ago, Sonix768 said:

This time we almost sorted out the team selection, we learnt our lesson and won't do stupid "bowl first", and our confidence was kept on check. Luck is not in our hand anyway. So this time we won't do silly mistakes that we did in 2017 finals.

Thing is, this team is still being carried by the contributions of the top order. With Dhawan gone, Rohit Sharma has performed unbelievably well. Get him and Kohli out early in a pressure game and India is in deep trouble.

[Ajju]

Dhoni win it for India and dedicate to Jadhav and karthik(might be last game for both two)

[beetle]

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2019 by beetle

[motomaverick]

I somehow see a pattern over the last 3 world cups.

 

2011 - Hosts = India, Winner = India

2015 - Hosts = Australia, Winner = Australia

2019 - Hosts = England, Winner = ??

 

I hope I am wrong.

Edited July 9, 2019 by motomaverick

[Vijy]

Just now, motomaverick said:

I somehow see a pattern over the last 3 world cups.

 

2011 - Hosts = India, Winner = India

2015 - Hosts = Australia, Winner = Australia

2019 - Hosts = England, Winner = ??

yes, home advantage is becoming increasingly important over the past few WCs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

I honestly think India will not win this World Cup........

 

One and only reason- kohli is not the guy u want as captain in finals 

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 hours ago, Shaz1 said:

I honestly think England is winning this one.

Same here......I think England is winning this or 2nd chance Aus. I dont see India or NZ wininng it

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

I honestly think India will not win this World Cup........

 

One and only reason- kohli is not the guy u want as captain in finals 

as of now, our final appearance is not guaranteed. the other issue is that most of our middle order do not appear to have temperament for big matches, barring pandu to an extent.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

as of now, our final appearance is not guaranteed. the other issue is that most of our middle order do not appear to have temperament for big matches, barring pandu to an extent.

That has been their from Match-1....but i always beileve in Finals captaincy matters a lot cozz it high high pressure and thats where captain needs to maintain the calm. Blame whoever for CT 2017 but i believe we lost when kohli started loosing his cool and his body lang went negative around 10 overs only. In most game hardly 100 overs will go ur way....test of captaincy is when it doesnt 

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

That has been their from Match-1....but i always beileve in Finals captaincy matters a lot cozz it high high pressure and thats where captain needs to maintain the calm. Blame whoever for CT 2017 but i believe we lost when kohli started loosing his cool and his body lang went negative around 10 overs only. In most game hardly 100 overs will go ur way....test of captaincy is when it doesnt 

yes, the performance was flat in 2017 but even the tactics, strategy, selection, etc were questionable. one can only hope that some of them are addressed now.

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Another ICC event, another instance of fans getting carried away by a dominating performance in the group stage only to bottle it in the knockouts.

[Vijy]

On 7/8/2019 at 2:54 AM, Sonix768 said:

I don't believe in jinx, anti jinx etc. and I don't care that I would look like a fool if it backfires. I just went by the mixture of my instincts , gut feelings, few objective points, pluses and minuses and the team's recent performances and this is what I honestly feel and believe: India will win this World Cup. 

 

I won't lie. I was bit skeptical about India's chances if they were to meet Eng and Aus in back to back knock outs. But from the moment it was confirmed that Ind was facing NZ, I was sure of our chances. The reasons are,

 

1. For the first time our bowling gives me more confidence than our batting. Batting can only save you so much but with good bowling attack you can win the whole thing. Our bowling unit with Bumrah gives me the confidence to take wickets at any stage of the innings. And this makes me believe India can defend any reasonable score and our batsmen are not bad and they can very well make that Reasonable score. 

 

2. NZ are not in great form. They were huffing and puffing in group stages with their non existent openers. Only KW played reasonable and their middle order is suspect to spinners. Their bowling is also inconsistent.

 

If Ind bats first: Our recent matches with them shows, only if they have very helpful bowling conditions at the top they would be in the game, But even then, I believe we would make a decent enough score like about 250 to defend and win, like Aus-NZ game. NZ could have very well lost with the similar target against Ban and SA if not for KW's luck. And we have better catching and bowling unit than Ban and SA. If India chases against them, it will end like Ind-SL/NZ-Pak game where they can make a decent score but fails to defend, as I believe they cannot hit us for 315+ score. So honestly, I don't see India losing to NZ.

 

3. England is not invincible as some made them out to be. If they bat first, they tend to lose way in the middle overs. Even against us, they were pulled down considerably in the middle overs. Root/Morgan/Buttler can be contained with our bowlers. Only if we scored at a reasonably higher rate at the top and had not pathetically wandered at the end we could have had a chance to beat them. If we bat first, we have enough quality to score 320 and that would be more than handful in the Final.

 

4. Australia usually a different beast altogether in the Finals. But if we bat first I believe we can make our way to 300. Top order or bust is the story of the Aus batting so far, so chasing a 300+ target with our bowling is not gonna be easy for them. Finch is not usually great against us and Warner also not been his usual devastating best. Smith, Maxwell, Stoinis has been pathetic so far with only Carey is salvaging some pride for Aus middle order. So yeah, defending 300+ is not gonna be tough in the finals, with their shaky middle order.

 

Chasing against Australia in the Finals. Now this is the only scenario where things will get tricky for us. I believe even if they score 280-300, they will make it really hard for us and if they score 300+ most probably we would be toast. They defended even 260 valiantly in India against us and had us in the floor, only to be saved by Yuvraj and  Raina. Now we have no one in that quality  in the middle order. So restricting them below 280 is imperative because anything below 280 is Thala's territory and he would put his entire skills, **Insert Liam Neeson's "Skills" dialogue from Taken** on the line to take us to glory in the last over, and even last ball. But will we contain them below 280? I think there is good chances that we will, due to the Aus batting conundrum mentioned in the above para ( No, I don't think Handscomb for Khawaja gonna make any difference).

 

Anyway, to arrive at this scenario, Aus has to beat Eng (50% chance), they need bat first against us (50% chance), India need to bowl bit poorly (30% chance), and they need to bat reasonably well from top to bottom to score 300 (30% chance). This is what? Like, 30% of 30% of 50% of 50%? Like 2.25% on whole to have Aus to defend 300 in the finals and that too assuming we wont chase 300+ against them. So 97.75% the odds are in favor of us.

 

And before we venture into "Cricket is a game glorious uncertainties" or "premature ejaculation" territory, let me tell you I know too well that on a given day any team can beat any team, like Kenya did against WI in 96, I am fully aware of the fact that India can very well be bowled out for 40 runs against NZ and be chased down in 4 overs etc. but the chances of that happening are too less, based on what we have been witnessing in the recent past. So, this is what I believe will be the most possible outcome and I am just waiting out the days till July 14, to have these things developed into reality. :)

I know this was not meant to be a jinx thread, but kinda ended up being one :)

[Sonix768]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I know this was not meant to be a jinx thread, but kinda ended up being one :)

Yeah, when I typed this I knew this will come back to bite me if India loses. But I honestly thought I assessed every scrnario and I didnt think we would end up losing against NZ. I even said there that NZ would be in the game only if they bowl with a bowling friendly condition in the morning. Well, thats what happened, only difference they had their favorable bowling condition in the morning WHILE DEFENDING TARGET which I never expected :( This was like a test match morning of a fourth innings, in which we have been sucking off late. 

 

Anyway, kudos to NZ bowlers and their brilliant fielding. India has been beaten fair and square.

 

Ps: I have said in some other thread that NZ side is looking like SRH of 2018 that they win many upfront and choking in the later part but still qualify for semis but they will win semi only to surrender again in Final. 50% of that came true now.Hope at least this prediction of mine becomes reality :D

[beetle]

Panauti !

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, Sonix768 said:

Yeah, when I typed this I knew this will come back to bite me if India loses. But I honestly thought I assessed every scrnario and I didnt think we would end up losing against NZ. I even said there that NZ would be in the game only if they bowl with a bowling friendly condition in the morning. Well, thats what happened, only difference they had their favorable bowling condition in the morning WHILE DEFENDING TARGET which I never expected :( This was like a test match morning of a fourth innings, in which we have been sucking off late. 

 

Anyway, kudos to NZ bowlers and their brilliant fielding. India has been beaten fair and square.

 

Ps: I have said in some other thread that NZ side is looking like SRH of 2018 that they win many upfront and choking in the later part but still qualify for semis but they will win semi only to surrender again in Final. 50% of that came true now.Hope at least this prediction of mine becomes reality :D

Dont blame you. Yesterday evening, Bob Willis and Shaun Pollock were discussing how to deal Indian bowling and batting at Lords. That too for allmost 15 mins

[Frustrated]

2014 T20 WC Final,. 2015 WC SF,. 2016 T20 WC SF, 2017 CT Final.  And now 2019 WC SF.   We hv lost all these tournaments from winning positions in the KO matches.  The last ICC tournament we won was 2013 CT, which was long long ago.    Are we on course to be the new chokers ?

[chewy]

OP must be feeling gutted and pretty miserable, hehe

5 runs, 3 down inside 4 overs, match over. 

[hoesmad]

LOL