coffee_rules Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MechEng said: Nah, Turks rarely care about Pakistanis in reality, not just Pakistanis but South Asians in general. They're muslims to core but identify themselves as Europeans. You have not followed the new world order in the Sunni ME. Saudi Arabia, Rest of the Sunni Ummah, UAE, with US and/or Israeli backdoor support Turkey, Qatar, Malaysia and Pakistan with backdoor support from Iran The latter bloc with Islamic Brotherhood doesn't feel uneasy to cosy up with Iran as well. Qatar wants to establish itself over SA that they don't deserve to be the Sunni custodians. So, Turkey is up funing a lot of anti-India activities. It doesn't make sense to promote social ties with Turkey when the chips are down and that too so visibly on August 15th. What was Aamir thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: You have not followed the new world order in the Sunni ME. Saudi Arabia, Rest of the Sunni Ummah, UAE, with US and/or Israeli backdoor support Turkey, Qatar, Malaysia and Pakistan with backdoor support from Iran The latter bloc with Islamic Brotherhood doesn't feel uneasy to cosy up with Iran as well. Qatar wants to establish itself over SA that they don't deserve to be the Sunni custodians. So, Turkey is up funing a lot of anti-India activities. It doesn't make sense to promote social ties with Turkey when the chips are down and that too so visibly on August 15th. What was Aamir thinking? Politically that may be true. I'm speaking for an average Turkish person here. The Turkish people I've met see India in a similar way as an average white person would - land of colours, emotional people and brown skin. The only difference from a white person would be that Turks like Indian family values which shares similarities with their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Maybe he is not there to do film promotion. It seems more like looking for real estate as he admits his wife feels safe in Turkey and not in India. He might be asking for great land deal given his following among the Turakkiyar! His wife Kiran Rao probably lived in the Pulakeshi Nagar part of Bangalore.. No wonder she is scared.. sergio04, coffee_rules and Laaloo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: What is this entire put nation first angle? Why is meeting the first lady of Turkey disrespecting India? If his movies do well, he could be earning foreign exchequer for India. He (or the production house) employs Indians in various capacities for the movies. If Turkey truly were an enemy nation, we should simply bar our businesses (including movies) from doing any deals there and simply cut people to people contact. The onus of that decision lies with the government. The GoI thinks its okay for Indians to travel to Turkey, to do business there. So why such a strong reaction over him meeting the first lady. The decision to meet the head of state for PR is as dumb as ‘chalo let’s meet since we are here to shoot a Hollywood remake of Forrest Gump’? He is smart enough to know the political happenings and latest developments. Erdogan has publicly supported Anti-CAA Kashmiri Pakistani sentiments and has also been sidelined as the OP. He has taken sides against NATO in the region bombing Iraqi people. Even Congressis are posting anti-Turkey messages. What business does he have to go and meet their First Lady to assert India’s soft power. Truly dumb and we ought to call it out. If there are images of AK in Kabaa along with Paxtani Tableeghi jamaat chief and this one, makes him look like a supporter of Islamic Brotherhood. 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: SRK is the brand ambassador for Dubai Tourism. I think that is a *big deal* given that he isn't even an Emiratean or whatever the right adjective is. Ofcourse he would meet with their head of state. SRK also met Prince MBS. Somehow, that didn't get this kind of negative traction on SM. SRK links with ISI Agent in Dubai and US, one Mr Tony Ashai is out as well. He is rubbing shoulders with who’s who of Dubai and gets some accolades as well. https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/activist-claims-links-between-shahrukh-khan-and-isi-funded-kashmiri-separatist-bjp-demands-answers 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Right through the 90s, when Dawood was in the UAE, and the UAE government were not willing to extradite him or sign an extradition treaty with us, we played cricket in Sharjah. Mainly versus Pakistan. We watched those games in great numbers in the stadium and on cable TV. Our cricketers met all kinds of rulers/officials of the UAE. No one batted an eyelid. Business was business for us. Probably one of the reasons we were able to get the UAE to be a very friendly nation which now has started extraditing terrorists back to India, is our increased business with that nation. Increased trade with Turkey will only make them closer to India. To assert UAE’s closeness to India due to the soft power of Bollytards is far-fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: What is this entire put nation first angle? Why is meeting the first lady of Turkey disrespecting India? If his movies do well, he could be earning foreign exchequer for India. He (or the production house) employs Indians in various capacities for the movies. If Turkey truly were an enemy nation, we should simply bar our businesses (including movies) from doing any deals there and simply cut people to people contact. The onus of that decision lies with the government. The GoI thinks its okay for Indians to travel to Turkey, to do business there. So why such a strong reaction over him meeting the first lady. SRK is the brand ambassador for Dubai Tourism. I think that is a *big deal* given that he isn't even an Emiratean or whatever the right adjective is. Ofcourse he would meet with their head of state. SRK also met Prince MBS. Somehow, that didn't get this kind of negative traction on SM. Right through the 90s, when Dawood was in the UAE, and the UAE government were not willing to extradite him or sign an extradition treaty with us, we played cricket in Sharjah. Mainly versus Pakistan. We watched those games in great numbers in the stadium and on cable TV. Our cricketers met all kinds of rulers/officials of the UAE. No one batted an eyelid. Business was business for us. Probably one of the reasons we were able to get the UAE to be a very friendly nation which now has started extraditing terrorists back to India, is our increased business with that nation. Increased trade with Turkey will only make them closer to India. You cannot use the past for today's actions. In the past, one could walk away with indecent comments to woman but now, one can be arrested. India is a strong nation, and Amir Khan is also a powerful man. He has a choice, and all is decisions are his own. So in a time, when all these celebs have consultants, marketing experts, nothing is random. Thus, Amir's purposefully wanted to make a statement, and maybe some of his fans are in awe of the extremist Turkey leaders. But majority of the country do not support such action, and thus every action has consequences, and he has to bear such a strong criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 Jahan dekhi victim card lagana shuru.. Akshay Kumar was mocked about Kaneda citizenship and Yuvraj/Bhajji was also taken to task for supporting Afridi, When Aamir Khan is questioned , tab religion aajata hain.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Jahan dekhi victim card lagana shuru.. Akshay Kumar was mocked about Kaneda citizenship and Yuvraj/Bhajji was also taken to task for supporting Afridi, When Aamir Khan is questioned , tab religion aajata hain.. coffee_rules and diga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Realist Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Ozil > Taliban Khan (so many of them and they all look the same) While Ozil got Erdogan to be his best man at his wedding, Khan was picking up fast food/taxi driver for the Erdogans Norman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I think we should chill with putting Muslims on the edge for every small little things.. It will push even a progressive muslims on radicalization.. Without knowing what Aamir Khan is there for and disregarding all the things that he has done good in movies is something that is not going well with me personally.. If you put his roles in Sarfarsosh, 3 idiots, Lagaan on one side and one meeting with Turkish first lady on the other side without knowing the topic of discussion, I am surprised at why people are portraying him as a villain.. And do not forget all the good stuff he did on 'Satyamev Jayate' series.. P.S - Pro BJP/RSS guy I am.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, veer said: I think we should chill with putting Muslims on the edge for every small little things.. It will push even a progressive muslims on radicalization.. Without knowing what Aamir Khan is there for and disregarding all the things that he has done good in movies is something that is not going well with me personally.. If you put his roles in Sarfarsosh, 3 idiots, Lagaan on one side and one meeting with Turkish first lady on the other side without knowing the topic of discussion, I am surprised at why people are portraying him as a villain.. And do not forget all the good stuff he did on 'Satyamev Jayate' series.. P.S - Pro BJP/RSS guy I am.. Thats incorrect view. There was Modi when as Gujarat CM, if any celebs met him, there would be big protests and anger. Amir could have explained himself, but his silence speaks the mind, as he is well aware of the facts yet choose to meet the Turkish lady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 18 hours ago, coffee_rules said: The decision to meet the head of state for PR is as dumb as ‘chalo let’s meet since we are here to shoot a Hollywood remake of Forrest Gump’? He is smart enough to know the political happenings and latest developments. Erdogan has publicly supported Anti-CAA Kashmiri Pakistani sentiments and has also been sidelined as the OP. He has taken sides against NATO in the region bombing Iraqi people. Even Congressis are posting anti-Turkey messages. What business does he have to go and meet their First Lady to assert India’s soft power. Truly dumb and we ought to call it out. If there are images of AK in Kabaa along with Paxtani Tableeghi jamaat chief and this one, makes him look like a supporter of Islamic Brotherhood. SRK links with ISI Agent in Dubai and US, one Mr Tony Ashai is out as well. He is rubbing shoulders with who’s who of Dubai and gets some accolades as well. https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/activist-claims-links-between-shahrukh-khan-and-isi-funded-kashmiri-separatist-bjp-demands-answers To assert UAE’s closeness to India due to the soft power of Bollytards is far-fetched. There is no claim that India's closeness to the UAE is because of Bollywood. India is close to the UAE solely because of trade. India is UAE's top trading partner. The fact that they refused to hand over Dawood Ibrahim all through the 90s didn't stop Indian companies or the government of trading/engaging with the UAE. Business was treated as business. And two decades later, they co-operate with India on the security front because it serves their interest too, to be in the good books of India. Are you denying any of this? Its funny how you need to quote a Congress man now. Quote them when it suits you. Erdogan being against NATO or whatever is of no relevance here. Your entire arguement that Aamir Khan needs to aware yadda yadda is specious. As an analogy, even before the current Ladakh border issue that we have with China, China blocked the move to declare Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the UNSC. Definitely a move far more detrimental to India than random utterances by Erdogan. Did anyone stop meeting Chinese leaders after that? As far as I remember they've been mollycoddled by the business fraternity and all representatives of our government. So why the dichotomy? Is the onus of shaping foreign policy and setting a behaviour pattern on Aamir Khan? Aamir Khan hasn't even met Erdogan. He met the first lady. She probably had her fan girl moment. Whats the big hue and cry there? Truly strange is the fact that people fail to fathom that if his movies do well in Turkey, and the Turkish people pay money to watch his stuff/ buy related merchandise is good for India. As I mentioned in my earlier post, the GoI has not put any restrictions on trade/ people to people contact with Turkey. And rightly so. Aamir Khan is well within his rights to lobby/network or even generally discuss whatever he wishes to. His movie, his money on the line. Re: Your point about Shahrukh Khan links with an "ISI agent". From the link in your article, that guy is SRK's architect for his LA home and has collaborated with Gauri Khan on some projects. That guy is also Beckham's architect. Is Bechkam also linked to the ISI now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 10 hours ago, The Realist said: Ozil > Taliban Khan (so many of them and they all look the same) While Ozil got Erdogan to be his best man at his wedding, Khan was picking up fast food/taxi driver for the Erdogans I don't follow. Picking up fast food for a wedding?? Whaaaaat? Who are these people? Is that guy with the bulging eyes their version of Calendar ( the Mr India variety)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: I don't follow. Picking up fast food for a wedding?? Whaaaaat? Who are these people? Is that guy with the bulging eyes their version of Calendar ( the Mr India variety)? Assuming you're not being sarcastic..... That fast food thing is about Kaali daal aka Immy the dimmy. Nothing to do with any wedding. The wedding is of that "bulging eyes" guy (professional German footballer of Turkish origin) where Erdo was the best man. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Norman said: Assuming you're not being sarcastic..... That fast food thing is about Kaali daal aka Immy the dimmy. Nothing to do with any wedding. The wedding is of that "bulging eyes" guy (professional German footballer of Turkish origin) where Erdo was the best man. Was genuinely confused. Especially with the fast food at weddings bit. Also I thought we were talking about Aamir Khan, a global superstar, and not about some random cricketer from Pakistan. coffee_rules and Norman 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: India is close to the UAE solely because of trade. India is UAE's top trading partner. The fact that they refused to hand over Dawood Ibrahim all through the 90s didn't stop Indian companies or the government of trading/engaging with the UAE. Business was treated as business. And two decades later, they co-operate with India on the security front because it serves their interest too, to be in the good books of India. Are you denying any of this? Dawood was on most-wanted list after 1993 blasts. Before that he was a gangster fixing matches, threatening Bollywood stars and protection racketerring, etc. In that phase he was seen in Sharjah with cricketers and stars alike.. UAE and India has a extradition treaty, he has not been extradited after 1993 when India is hunting Dawood, is because he is not present in Dubai. He activities are, but he is hiding somewhere in Karachi or Nairobi or in some cave in SWAT valley. They have extradited others because of the treaty, a lot of terrorists and gangsters have been caught and extradited to India, by UAE. 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Its funny how you need to quote a Congress man now. Quote them when it suits you. Erdogan being against NATO or whatever is of no relevance here. If you quote a BJP spokie, they would be called Sanghi. I quoted him, so you can believe that even Congress thinks Erdogan is evil and anti-India. 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Your entire arguement that Aamir Khan needs to aware yadda yadda is specious. As an analogy, even before the current Ladakh border issue that we have with China, China blocked the move to declare Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the UNSC. Definitely a move far more detrimental to India than random utterances by Erdogan. Did anyone stop meeting Chinese leaders after that? As far as I remember they've been mollycoddled by the business fraternity and all representatives of our government. So why the dichotomy? Is the onus of shaping foreign policy and setting a behaviour pattern on Aamir Khan? Aamir Khan hasn't even met Erdogan. He met the first lady. She probably had her fan girl moment. Whats the big hue and cry there? Truly strange is the fact that people fail to fathom that if his movies do well in Turkey, and the Turkish people pay money to watch his stuff/ buy related merchandise is good for India. Yes, we had a 50 billion trade with China before. One day, they would use that to get China to fall in line. and Business with China was as usual. That is why there was no hue and cry over AK's films running in China and him expressing concern for only CHinese victims of Corona and none for the migrant workers in India. But, if he had said anything in favor of China after the Ladakh attack, he would be roasted in public. That is his silenece is also taken as a sign of hypocrisy. He is interested in self besides his tall claims from SMJ TV series. But when the Govt and opposition is also calling out Turkey for anti-India stance, he had no business even meeting his fan-girl first ladies. If he did on his own (which he has the right to do), and it is within the rights of the Indian public to call out his hypocrisy. It is because they made him the superstar and expect him to be on their side. There is no religion card in this, as some eminent people are claiming, Erdogan or his wife, are the same for India. Is his wife differing from his public policy or political leanings? 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: Re: Your point about Shahrukh Khan links with an "ISI agent". From the link in your article, that guy is SRK's architect for his LA home and has collaborated with Gauri Khan on some projects. That guy is also Beckham's architect. Is Bechkam also linked to the ISI now? Indians care two hoots for Beckham, if he is working for ISI or not. For Indians, to work with ISI agents is akin to treason. 2 hours ago, Mariyam said: diga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Aamir Khan, a global superstar, and not about some random cricketer from Pakistan. Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 @coffee_rules You've missed my point totally. Let me quickly fill you in on this. Generally, when India signs an extradition treaty with a nation, it starts by a process called as Judicial Collaboration. Its like a pilot test for the actual extradition treaty. India and the UAE started this process in 1999. And finally India and the UAE signed the extradition treaty in 2011/2012. Dawood was hiding in the UAE from the mid 80s. He was wanted for multiple murders among many other crimes. India requested the UAE government to start the process of Judicial collaboration also around that time. Back then, the government of the UAE raised various 'concerns' like inhumane and unhygienic jail conditions etc. They dragged this process for years. Many of the officials/royals there were also drawing profits from Dawoods activities, it is alleged. Post liberalisation when smuggling no longer was profitable, and after the bomb blasts when Dawood was an embarrassment, they let him 'escape' to Pakistan. Right through the 80s and the 90s, the UAE completely stonewalled every Indian attempt to start the process of extradition. India and Indians yet decided to do business with that country. And in the end, it did pay off. Ditto is the case with China. They have blocked our moves on listing Masood Azhar as a global terrorist at the UNSC. This they have done since 2017. Yet scores of Indian business leaders have met the Chinese leadership after that move. A move, we can all agree, causes India much more damage than ramblings of Erdogan. Yet none of these business leaders ( Anand Mahindra, Cyrus Mistry -> not sure if after the NCLAT decision, among others) faced any kind of domestic censure for those meetings. Is that not a double standard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi B Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Not too much fussed about it really and this is nothing new with amir,he can do what he wants but it certainly wont go down well with a lot of the indian people and his audience and it certainly shouldn't as turkey are not our friends (borderline enemies) with all their Kashmir stance Hurt these Guys where it hurts the most ,I.e financially and on SM Laaloo and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 (edited) @Mariyam There is something called red line. For Indian Government, red line is border, red line is Kashmir and so on. For Individual Indian, one of the red line is someone peddling fake narrative that ther is extremism in Hindus, Hinduism, Hindutva, whatever you call it. I can argue on why bit, and how its impossible to not have religious fanatics in non Islamic religion but don't want it. You know the reasons just as well. So, India can continue to deal in parallel tracks when dealing with nations as long as red line is not crossed. Same is true with Individuals. People like Aamir Khan/Mahesh Bhatt will be attacked for duplicity when duplicity crossed the red line. Edited August 19, 2020 by mishra coffee_rules, diga and Norman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 SK is probably the most lib out of the khans, both AK & SRK are hardcore believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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