Why are we reluctant to develop or pick the next gen 140 k + pacers ?

[express bowling]

Both Porel and Pathania bowling in the 120s.

[express bowling]

Let's say I am an outsider who has heard a lot about India's new found strength ... the quality of it's pace bowling.

 

And I hear that a tournament is going on which features the best of India's uncapped players and international prospects.

 

And then I see Kalaria and Shankar opening the bowling. for one team and Pathania and Porel for the other team. All trundling in the 120s and gently placing the ball there.

 

I would be really surprised and probably think that India has got the shittiest of selectors who are very very bad at identifying new talent and giving them chances.

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Let's say I am an outsider who has heard a lot about India's new found strength ... the quality of it's pace bowling.

 

And I hear that a tournament is going on which features the best of India's uncapped players and international prospects.

 

And then I see Kalaria and Shankar opening the bowling. for one team and Pathania and Porel for the other team. All trundling in the 120s and gently placing the ball there.

 

I would be really surprised and probably think that India has got the shittiest of selectors who are very very bad at identifying new talent and giving them chances.

When this m@#_---d MSK's stint is coming to end?

Desperately waiting for that to happen,even more than Thala's?

And also his "nobody" stooges

[rkt.india]

18 hours ago, express bowling said:

Let's say I am an outsider who has heard a lot about India's new found strength ... the quality of it's pace bowling.

 

And I hear that a tournament is going on which features the best of India's uncapped players and international prospects.

 

And then I see Kalaria and Shankar opening the bowling. for one team and Pathania and Porel for the other team. All trundling in the 120s and gently placing the ball there.

 

I would be really surprised and probably think that India has got the shittiest of selectors who are very very bad at identifying new talent and giving them chances.

I think there were only two bowlers who bowled regularly over 135k in this tournament, Siraj and Warrier. They could have picked guys like Mavi, Mohsin, Yash Thakur, Nalkande who are young and has future promise. But they pick Kaul, Unadkat, and Kalaria who have no future.

Edited November 3, 2019 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

Why has Avesh Khan not got a single match in Deodhar Trophy  ?

 

Is he injured. ?

 

If he is then why has a replacement not been named. ?

 

Why not bring in a young fast bowler like Mavi and play him. ?

[express bowling]

Porel is the best medium pacer on view.

 

He is tall with a high arm action,  getting bounce, zipping the ball off the deck, getting some seam movement and bowling in good areas.

 

If he could bowl 135 k to 142 k, it would have been good enough for his bowling style.

 

But his 123 k to 133 k is too slow for international level. There are quite a few innocuous balls by him as a result ... which top international batters will hit.

Edited November 4, 2019 by express bowling

[Forward Defence]

@express bowling What do you think about Porel's delivery stride? Does he lose pace because of it?

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

@express bowling What do you think about Porel's delivery stride? Does he lose pace because of it?

 

Possible.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Forward Defence said:

@express bowling What do you think about Porel's delivery stride? Does he lose pace because of it?

His runup is very slow for a front on bowler. He needs to run a bit harder to generate pace. 

Edited November 4, 2019 by rkt.india

[ShoonyaSifar]

13 hours ago, express bowling said:

Porel is the best medium pacer on view.

 

He is tall with a high arm action,  getting bounce, zipping the ball off the deck, getting some seam movement and bowling in good areas.

 

If he could bowl 135 k to 142 k, it would have been good enough for his bowling style.

 

But his 123 k to 133 k is too slow for international level. There are quite a few innocuous balls by him as a result ... which top international batters will hit.

So the criterion of adding 5-7 kmph to the speed readings on domestic speed guns is not applicable for Porel? It would make him 128-140 kmph, avg of ~135 kmph, For a 21 year old, that is excellent. Could potentially become 140 kmph with conditioning and strength training

[ShoonyaSifar]

On 11/3/2019 at 10:59 AM, rkt.india said:

I think there were only two bowlers who bowled regularly over 135k in this tournament, Siraj and Warrier. They could have picked guys like Mavi, Mohsin, Yash Thakur, Nalkande who are young and has future promise. But they pick Kaul, Unadkat, and Kalaria who have no future.

I have got no hopes from the selectors.

 

But bigger disappointment is neither the domestic broadcaster nor the BCCI panel domestic commentators make any efforts to promote some of these unknown cricketers. Not once will you hear them talk about any upcoming talent. 

[putrevus]

Why guys like Mavi, Avesh did not even play in Duleep trophy.Unless they play these matches how will they get better, did they play VH trophy???

Edited November 4, 2019 by putrevus

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

Why guys like Mavi, Avesh did not even play in Duleep trophy.Unless they play these matches how will they get better, did they play VH trophy???

Yes, they did. 

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, they did. 

 

I think he means the Deodhar Trophy.

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think he means the Deodhar Trophy.

He was asking whether they played VH trophy. 

[putrevus]

12 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Yes, they did. 

Deodhar not Duleep. Deodhar and Duleep selections matter most , it means they are picked over many other players.

 

VH trophy I did not see any of them in this list either?

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=13220;type=tournament

Edited November 5, 2019 by putrevus

[Straight Drive]

On 11/2/2019 at 4:59 PM, express bowling said:

Let's say I am an outsider who has heard a lot about India's new found strength ... the quality of it's pace bowling.

 

And I hear that a tournament is going on which features the best of India's uncapped players and international prospects.

 

And then I see Kalaria and Shankar opening the bowling. for one team and Pathania and Porel for the other team. All trundling in the 120s and gently placing the ball there.

 

I would be really surprised and probably think that India has got the shittiest of selectors who are very very bad at identifying new talent and giving them chances.

Surely not as bad as Abid Ali and Eknath Solkar being the only two pacers in playing 11 while touring abroad and opening the bowling !!

Edited November 5, 2019 by Straight Drive

[rkt.india]

18 hours ago, putrevus said:

Deodhar not Duleep. Deodhar and Duleep selections matter most , it means they are picked over many other players.

 

VH trophy I did not see any of them in this list either?

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?id=13220;type=tournament

If players were only selected based on these stats, we didn't need selectors.  Statsguru was good enough. Tell me what you don't already know about Kaul, Unadkat. Why they were picked while there are bowlers done better than these two. 

 

Look at the top, Why gourav yadav wasn't picked. The guy is pretty quick for what I have seen.

Edited November 6, 2019 by rkt.india

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

If players were only selected based on these stats, we didn't need selectors. Tell what you don't already know about Kaul, Unadkat. Why they were picked while there are bowlers done better than these two. 

 

Look at the top, Why gourav yadav wasn't picked. The guy is pretty quick for what I have seen.

 

 

And why was KM Asif not picked. ?   He did well in VH Trophy and is pretty sharp.

[Suhaan]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

And why was KM Asif not picked. ?   He did well in VH Trophy and is pretty sharp.

Yeah this is their learning curve and you(selectors)are denying them that opportunity  also,

It seems these poor guys don't have next level to get promoted ,this corrupt regime is hindering their developmental process,the rot is quite dense here