2003 Odi X1 vs 2019 (until WC) Odi X1 who will win?

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, GautiMaan said:

Jadhav,Dhoni performances came only in some jam odis not high pressure games

every series in Australia is under pressure

1 minute ago, GautiMaan said:

Just think that 2003 team had greater camaraderie and a will to  win as opposed to Kohlis team which is a well oiled machine with its top order and bowling but still didnt perform as well as tey should have

did that made them the greatest team- coz thats not enough 

Our middle n lower order wud still be better then them or at par 

 

u knw why australia was greatest team - coz they did the basics better then others like - fielding, Running between wkts, bowling tight .....this is why u win not by nostalgia 

[R!TTER]

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Passengers acc to now , but not then times

Same Dhoni s/r wud look good for that team 

 

That 2003 team had only 2 good fielders - yuvi n kaif

That's BS, you're making it sound as if this team is the best fielding team ever? In what world are 2019's Dhawan, Sharma, Jadhav, Bumrah, Chahal better fielders than 2003's Saurav, Mongia, Srinath, Nehra? That team actually  played against the best fielding sides ever, Oz & SA. You're also forgetting catching, or is that not counted in fielding nowadays?

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Didnt that 2003 team choked in 13 finals 

hahaha that 2003 team got massacred in SA, NZ in last few years and next year in CT 2004 against pakistan u have forgotten that

You seem to be making up new definitions of choking, yes that team lost in finals & you can count on 1 finger the games in which they choked. Speaking of choking what's Brat's record in ICC tourneys 

 

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Lyon has no value in white ball cricket . No not all yuvi was **** against spinners no one in current team is that ****

Their better players of spin batted in top order so their middle order was nothing dangerous against spin

Yeah that's why he ate these world beaters for lunch in India, with 2 new balls? Yuvraj wasn't that good against spin but he wasn't any worse than Sharma or Dhawan against the spinning ball, again you're making lots of things up. Who's the equivalent of Warne, Murali, Saqlain that these guys in 2019 have faced on spinning surfaces? I won't even add the likes of Lee, Bond, Mcgrath, Gillespie, Akhtar, Wasim, Waqar, Vaas all of who could reverse the ball miles & there was a time when ball tampering wasn't all that discouraged.

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Again are they competing against each other or world 

And based on the evidence of their batting prowess in testing conditions, I'll still say 2003 team hands down. I haven't seen a team fail this consistently on non batting friendly surfaces in recent memory. On batting paradises, it's a shootout so anybody's guess.

Edited November 24, 2019 by R!TTER

[GautiMaan]

4 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

every series in Australia is under pressure

did that made them the greatest team- coz thats not enough 

Our middle n lower order wud still be better then them or at par 

 

u knw why australia was greatest team - coz they did the basics better then others like - fielding, Running between wkts, bowling tight .....this is why u win not by nostalgia 

You clearly seem to think team with a professional approach alone would get the job done,if so why didnt we win the SF against NZ or the 2017 CT.Sometimes you need to change the formula to win which Kohlis ODI teams never do.

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, R!TTER said:

That's BS, you're making it sound as if this team is the best fielding team ever? In what world are 2019's Dhawan, Sharma, Jadhav, Bumrah, Chahal better fielders than 2003's Saurav, Mongia, Srinath, Nehra?

Chahal is as bad as nehra

Bumrah improved...those guy never improved.

mongia was ok 

Dhawan is better then ganguly

 

Rohit is a bloody good fielder 

 

Here is an xample of that teams poor fielding

 

 

 

 

Just now, R!TTER said:

That team actually  played against the best fielding sides ever, Oz & SA. You're also catching, or is that not counted in fielding nowadays?

playing against best fielding sides?? so how does that makes them beter 

We have dropped catches in test but not in ODi

Fielding also includes outfielding .....those guys were slow legs

 

Just now, R!TTER said:

You seem to be making up new definitions of choking, yes that team lost in finals & you can count on 1 finger the games in which they choked.

What ICC tournament they won??? 2002 which was tied due to rain 

Clearly ur not even getting what thread it meant if those 2 team plays against each other which wud be bilateral

Just now, R!TTER said:

Speaking of choking what's Brat's record in ICC tourneys 

Didnt sachin fail in 2003, 2000 CT n 2011 Wc final

Brat was highest scorer in 2013 CT final 

Just now, R!TTER said:

Yuvraj wasn't that good against spin but he wasn't any worse than Sharma or Dhawan against the spinning ball,

Yes he was , yuvi was one of the worst youngsters against spin 

Just now, R!TTER said:

again you're making lots of things up. Who's the equivalent of Warne, Murali, Saqlain that these guys in 2019 have faced on spinning surfaces?

didnt kohli smash chuckmajal to whole ground who troubled tendulkar

As if kohli hasnt played murali 

Just now, R!TTER said:

I won't even add the likes of Lee, Bond, Mcgrath, Gillespie, Akhtar, Wasim, Waqar, Vaas all of who could reverse the ball miles & there was a time when ball tampering wasn't all that discouraged.

Kohli, rohit scored a ton against lee when he was 19-20 when that team came to india n warm up game

 think these wud be troubled by pace

Dont these gusy score against rabadaa, archer, starc(atg in ODI), boult

Just now, R!TTER said:

And based on the evidence of their batting prowess in testing conditions, I'll still say 2003 team hands down. I haven't seen a team fail this consistently on non batting friendly surfaces in recent memory. On batting paradises, it's a shootout so anybody's guess.

2003 WC was itself on good batting wkts 

Really coz that teams failed in SL, NZ, Aus ,SA

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, GautiMaan said:

You clearly seem to think team with a professional approach alone would get the job done,if so why didnt we win the SF against NZ or the 2017 CT.Sometimes you need to change the formula to win which Kohlis ODI teams never do.

how does choking in one game makes a team bad

SA choked whole life does that make them bad

Ganguly team choked in 13 finals including WC 2003 and CT 2000. Do u want me to start showing u matches where that team choked or crumbled under tough cricumstance. Check above i hve already posted a CT game vs Pakistan where it was tough for batsman n we failed

 

What formula did 2003 team changed ?

[sergio04]

2003 team will win easily.

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As if that side never crumbled under pressure....forgotten all these games n Australia wasnt even opposition

 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[GautiMaan]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how does choking in one game makes a team bad

SA choked whole life does that make them bad

Ganguly team choked in 13 finals including WC 2003 and CT 2000. Do u want me to start showing u matches where that team choked or crumbled under tough cricumstance. Check above i hve already posted a CT game vs Pakistan where it was tough for batsman n we failed

 

What formula did 2003 team changed ?

Ganguly was willing to bat at 1 down despite him and Sachin being one of the greatest opening combos.

If great Kaptaan Kohli would have batted at no.4 for the teams sake and allowed a KL or Mayank to bat at 3 we would have seen a very different outcome at the World Cup

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 minutes ago, GautiMaan said:

Ganguly was willing to bat at 1 down despite him and Sachin being one of the greatest opening combos.

Coz sehwag was more lethal then ganguly in PP situation isme game changing kya hua 

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If great Kaptaan Kohli would have batted at no.4 for the teams sake and allowed a KL or Mayank to bat at 3 we would have seen a very different outcome at the World Cup

why wud kohli bat at 4....he is the best at 3...KL or anyone cant beat him at 3. He is the best in world no one wud ever come close to him. u play ur best player in best spot.

Did sachin sacrfice his place for veeru when he cud bat at 4, ganguly cud have kept opening

 

Sacrifice need some logic . KL can perfectly bat at 4 n do better 

 

Again its if it two plays agaisnt each other not what they do in their squad

Edited November 24, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[R!TTER]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Chahal is as bad as nehra

Bumrah improved...those guy never improved.

mongia was ok 

Dhawan is better then ganguly

 

Rohit is a bloody good fielder 

 

Here is an xample of that teams poor fielding

Chahal's the worst fielder I've ever seen, he's a slight upgrade from Bumrah but that's not saying much. Bumrah improved from Chahal level to slightly better, he's not Umesh or Agarkar in the field not even close.

 

Defintely not, Ganguly was a good fielder till 2003/04 & a vastly superior catcher.

 

Sharma is a slow fielder, bloody good is just as good as trying to ignore his stats in tests outside India.

 

And you're showing clip where he lost the ball in the crowd, is that the best you got?

 

8 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

playing against best fielding sides?? so how does that makes them beter 

We have dropped catches in test but not in ODi

Fielding also includes outfielding .....those guys were slow legs

It doesn't but also doesn't make them any worst than the side we fielded in 2019 WC, you can count the oldies in this team+poor fielders in this team & they'll outweigh the young side we fielded in 2003. We have also been dropping dollies in LO, though not as frequently since most catches come in the outfield. Slow legs, yeah as if BK/Bumrah/Shami/Chahal/DK are sprinters 

 

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

What ICC tournament they won??? 2002 which was tied due to rain 

Clearly ur not even getting what thread it meant if those 2 team plays against each other which wud be bilateral

I'm not sure, you're saying they choked in 13 finals, the only ICC final they played in 2003 was WC. They played 3 finals that year & lost 2 all to Oz.

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Didnt sachin fail in 2003, 2000 CT n 2011 Wc final

Brat was highest scorer in 2013 CT final 

Yeas, as if chasing 359 in a WC final against the best LO side ever vs a middling total against NZ is comparable, even if we count that as a failure he still has 4 good knocks in WC KO as opposed to a big fat 0 against Brat. And talking about CT, Jadeja/Ashwin/Ishant had a bigger impact in that CT final which was a T20 anyway.

16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Yes he was , yuvi was one of the worst youngsters against spin 

You can keep saying that, there is no reference point to objectively gauge your opinion though.

17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

didnt kohli smash chuckmajal to whole ground who troubled tendulkar

As if kohli hasnt played murali 

And a 16 year old SRT smashed the world's best leggie in Pak, your point? Kohli hasn't played peak Murali or Warne, it's not worth stretching this longer if you think anyone's comparable to the best spinners ever wrt chuckers or pie chuckers of this decade.

 

19 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Kohli, rohit scored a ton against lee when he was 19-20 when that team came to india n warm up game

 think these wud be troubled by pace

Dont these gusy score against rabadaa, archer, starc(atg in ODI), boult

So we're counting warm-up games now, is it? Depends on which pace you're talking of, 155-160 isn't the same as facing 145-150.

 

22 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

2003 WC was itself on good batting wkts 

Really coz that teams failed in SL, NZ, Aus ,SA

No it wasn't, there were some feather-beds but a cursory glance at highlights would show that most surfaces were "sporting" rather than deadbeat fry pans we see these days.

 

Against much better teams than the ones we're gloating to be beating for fun these days in LO. That team also competed very well in tests abroad, this team got smashed last year against much worse opponents.

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Chahal's the worst fielder I've ever seen, he's a slight upgrade from Bumrah but that's not saying much. Bumrah improved from Chahal level to slightly better, he's not Umesh or Agarkar in the field not even close.

u hvent seen nehra g fielding then

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Defintely not, Ganguly was a good fielder till 2003/04 & a vastly superior catcher.

No he was good till 2000-2001 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Sharma is a slow fielder, bloody good is just as good as trying to ignore his stats in tests outside India.

Sachi, sehwag were all slow 

Sharma is way faster then then

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

And you're showing clip where he lost the ball in the crowd, is that the best you got?

Yea coz youtube doesnt have old video or else i wud have had 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

 

It doesn't but also doesn't make them any worst than the side we fielded in 2019 WC, you can count the oldies in this team+poor fielders in this team & they'll outweigh the young side we fielded in 2003. We have also been dropping dollies in LO, though not as frequently since most catches come in the outfield. Slow legs, yeah as if BK/Bumrah/Shami/Chahal/DK are sprinters 

u think those guys didnt drop catches 

This guy was suppose to be one of our best slip fielders

 

 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I'm not sure, you're saying they choked in 13 finals, the only ICC final they played in 2003 was WC. They played 3 finals that year & lost 2 all to Oz.

They also lost in 2000 CT final 

No we lost to WI, SL, SA as well i have posted videos above check 

 

If only that years is question then we also choked in 2019 final 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Yeas, as if chasing 359 in a WC final against the best LO side ever vs a middling total against NZ is comparable, even if we count that as a failure he still has 4 good knocks in WC KO as opposed to a big fat 0 against Brat. And talking about CT, Jadeja/Ashwin/Ishant had a bigger impact in that CT final which was a T20 anyway.

They lost WI chasing runs a year or two back so please give a break 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You can keep saying that, there is no reference point to objectively gauge your opinion though.

And a 16 year old SRT smashed the world's best leggie in Pak, your point? Kohli hasn't played peak Murali or Warne, it's not worth stretching this longer if you think anyone's comparable to the best spinners ever wrt chuckers or pie chuckers of this decade.

But kohli smashes ajmal who troubled sachin and kohli has played murali mendis 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

So we're counting warm-up games now, is it? Depends on which pace you're talking of, 155-160 isn't the same as facing 145-150.

For them it was an oppourtunity n how else u judge when those guys retired

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

No it wasn't, there were some feather-beds but a cursory glance at highlights would show that most surfaces were "sporting" rather than deadbeat fry pans we see these days.

No it was flat surfaces go check whole tournament , apart from 2-3 spungy pitches like Aus-eng, Aus- NZ, Ind-holland 

5 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Against much better teams than the ones we're gloating to be beating for fun these days in LO. That team also competed very well in tests abroad, this team got smashed last year against much worse opponents.

why is that even a question

Its how will they face against each other. Clearly u didnt read the thread titlle....overseas against other is irrelevant when its about competing against each other. 

[Suhaan]

2019oneday team is joke,even in bowling noone other than Bumrah is reliable

This is not about being nostalgic but being realistic

Edited November 24, 2019 by Suhaan

[zen]

2003. Srinath,  Nehra and Zak did some of the best bowling that I have seen for team Ind until they choked in the final. The batting depended on Tendulkar. Sehwag is the most explosive batsman for Ind. Ganguly fights it out. Yuvi and Kaif  tasted success in Natwest 2002. Kumble and Dravid were bankable campaigners. 

 

2019. Opening is an issue esp. in bowling friendly conditions. In batting friendly conditions, they are slow and can create pressure on other batsmen. Only Kohli can compete with the top order of 2003, which had test ATGs such as Tendulkar and Sehwag. Dhoni is past his prime. Bowling is the strength though Kuldeep and Chahal can choke. 
 

2003 will win it unless someone like Kohli or Pandya has a great day with the bat. 
 

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by zen

[Gollum]

2003 team will win, current ODI team is hot air.

[maniac]

56 minutes ago, zen said:

2019. Opening is an issue esp. in bowling friendly conditions. In batting friendly conditions, they are slow and can create pressure on other
 

2003 will win it unless someone like Kohli or Pandya has a great day with the bat. 
 

 

I see what you did there

 

Please refer to Match vs Pak,SA :)

[putrevus]

2019 team is stronger than 2003 team. 

[Rasgulla]

2019 Team because it has Virat and Dhoni

 

2003 won't win because it has Choker as opener 

[Rightarmfast]

Without going to the nitty gritties, the 2003 team is just too strong for this team. They would beat this Indian team in ODI's. 

 

Their bowling is more than decent to rattle the current indian line up. 2019 bowling is very strong, then again the batsmen from 2003 were masters of pacing the innings. They have an edge!

[putrevus]

2003 team was more balanced , where as 2019 team is top heavy. I still give edge to 2019 team.