Singh bling Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Indians like many Islamic countries citizens need a firm civil hand ( dictatorship) to keep people in line. Our genes and inherent nature is that we are as lawless and animal like with no civic sense, no aversion to corruption and violence against women. This is not a common trait among people in the west hence they have more freedom and liberal values ( pre islamisation of western nations) but we on the other hand dont so we need to see punishments like in Saudi Arabia to keep people in check. As much as I am against Congress and Indira Gandhi, the Emergency period and the crackdown, actually resulted in people ( including my grandmother) to live life with ease and with no corruption after a long time. It pains me to say this but indians generally need to be kept in check by danda otherwise we will turn into a lawless society. But when that firm civil hand want people or women not to go on some places or want not to be out after certain hour , then many start protesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Edited December 6, 2019 by Singh bling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: When theLiar interviewed the mother of the main peaceful accused, she said that he came home and said he had killed someone. I think Indian cops are resourceful in solving crimes where the perp is lowlife. They have many informers who report hearsays to aid the investigation. Plus the way they intimidate, culprits give in easily. Talwar case doesn;t happen all the time, but Rajiv Gandhi killers, Mumbai blasts case many terrorists plots post 2014 have been subverted by excellent police work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Pradyuman_Thakur The police almost trapped a poor guy only to be saved by CBI later. He too confessed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Singh bling said: But when that firm civil hand want people or women not to go on some places or want not to be out after certain hour , then many start protesting. I just wish this poor girl was less trusting of her surroundings. Such a poor defenceless girl. The kind of things i would have done to those scum. I feel empathy for the police men who did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javier26 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, ExtremeBrainfade said: Soch liya. And it is unimaginably terrifying, saddening, enraging. And the culprits must be brought to justice - absolute maximum justice - after they are convicted in a court of law. As riya pointed out, if law enforcement goes vigilante, it is a dangerous sign that any of us can be accused, convicted in the court of public opinion and shot on the street. In this particular case, it is highly likely that they were the perpetrators. But that may not always be the case. Thats right but most people are assuming that since we are not rapists , we have nothing to fear as this can never happen to us. I hope this is a one off case and India doesnt turn into Philippines where encounter squads are targeting Innocent people and their families in name of fighting drugs. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Unnao rape victim no more. How many times we have to see the barbarism repeated by these monsters? Courts granting bail to scum like these, then an attack on the victim & her family by the rapist & his associates leading to the death of the victim. This isn't the first time it has happened, incidents like these have been repeated in various other places then why the hell people in judicial system fail to understand that the criminals have been playing with it like a fiddle? Edited December 6, 2019 by Turning_track beetle, Gollum and sergio04 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, Singh bling said: But when that firm civil hand want people or women not to go on some places or want not to be out after certain hour , then many start protesting. You think this only happened because she was out in the late evening? The other girl was burnt in day light while she was going to meet her lawyer. Should woman stop going out for this perversion to stop. One of the rape victim was 9 raped by her own father in her own house. What should she do ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) You want me to sympathize with the cockroaches who did this? There should be a timeline to bring such b@stards to justice, 6 months for conviction, 2 more weeks till hanging. Don't wait for 19000 years to deliver justice. Edited December 6, 2019 by Gollum beetle and sergio04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Turning_track said: Unnao rape victim no more. How many times we have to see the barbarism repeated by these monsters? Courts granting bail to scum like these, then an attack on the victim & her family by the rapist & his associates leading to the death of the victim. This isn't the first time it has happened, incidents like these have been repeated in various other places then why the hell people in judicial system fail to understand that the criminals have been playing with it like a fiddle? People are worried about the police encounter of rapists once in a blue moon but no one has even brought up the point how cases like Uunao rape and murder will effect reporting or crimes like rape. How will women report crimes against them if the criminals have no fear of law and come back to kill them and their family? Is this not a threat to our society ,our democracy,our law and order? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhaiyya Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Public is not rejoicing over the killing of those sick bustards, rather their patience have worn out with judiciary, where courts take years to give justice to victims and ultimately the accused/convict get some paltry 4-7 years jail term, and after being released they will be back to their old ways as most of them are homeless and find jail life to be better as it will keep their belly full Such is the *** up state of judicial affairs in our country that we are happy over a encounter, despite knowing for the fact that it was staged. Rather than fellow few cursing the police, its better to curse our judiciary, which is more about defending the rights of psycho rapists than giving justice to poor victims. Turning_track, beetle and sergio04 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ExtremeBrainfade Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, beetle said: People are worried about the police encounter of rapists once in a blue moon but no one has even brought up the point how cases like Uunao rape and murder will effect reporting or crimes like rape. How will women report crimes against them if the criminals have no fear of law and come back to kill them and their family? Is this not a threat to our society ,our democracy,our law and order? You are absolutely correct. But we are talking about two separate issues here, and the system is broken on both sides. The problem of true criminals getting away with their crimes cannot be solved by simply hunting down suspected, but not properly convicted, individuals. Edited December 6, 2019 by ExtremeBrainfade Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, beetle said: You think this only happened because she was out in the late evening? The other girl was burnt in day light while she was going to meet her lawyer. Should woman stop going out for this perversion to stop. One of the rape victim was 9 raped by her own father in her own house. What should she do ? My above post has nothing to do with victim being out or not. It is on separate discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeBrainfade Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gollum said: I sincerely hope that they were the actual perpetrators. Otherwise you have 4 random guys killed based on suspicion and the effin beasts are still roaming free ready to victimize more women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Singh bling said: Again you are taking discussion in other direction. Nirbhaya may pass test of rarest of rare but plenty of other cases may not pass as rarest of rare so life imprisonment will be awarded to culprits. Will you say that justice is not served in cases where life imprisonment is awarded? Do you think the vets case was rarest of rare or not? Did they hold back on some atrocities that makes it less rarest of rare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 https://m.timesofindia.com/india/fast-track-courts-that-take-more-than-10-years-to-deliver-justice/articleshow/72379435.cms The reality of fast track courts in India. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, beetle said: Do you think the vets case was rarest of rare or not? Did they hold back on some atrocities that makes it less rarest of rare? The court did not find Sajjan Kumar whose mobs killed and raped so many as rarest of rare so can't say whether court would have consider vet's case as rarest of rare or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, beetle said: People are worried about the police encounter of rapists once in a blue moon but no one has even brought up the point how cases like Uunao rape and murder will effect reporting or crimes like rape. How will women report crimes against them if the criminals have no fear of law and come back to kill them and their family? Is this not a threat to our society ,our democracy,our law and order? That is where the establishment & the govt machinery has to come in & protect, rehabilitate the victim. The rule of law has to be followed diligently if we want to progress as a society but unfortunately goondaism, use of force at will to overpower weak is the norm here. Also our liberals don't want these monsters to get death penalty, they'd rather throw these monsters in Tihar for their crimes. But the state of affairs are in such dire straits that even Tihar jail officials say they are unable to carry death sentences because of unavailability of hangman. Edited December 6, 2019 by Turning_track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WC2011INDIA Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Looks like a planned encounter than a genuine one. If they were the true perpetrators then justice has been served. But I noticed that all these men were poor/low caste/class/minoity and the girl belonged from upper caste. That's why so much hue and cry and quick death of the perpetrators. Now imagine if upper caste/class/rich/powerful men were perpetrators and the girl belonged to low caste/class? Would the machinery be so swift in delivering justice? Would the media have turned this into a big national debate as to what punishment the perperators deserve? Would there be candle walks and so much anger and resentment among the public? Something to ponder upon. sandeep and Singh bling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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