coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Yoda-esque said: Anyone following the Quint story? Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk You mean this one? sergio04 1
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Deucalion said: Modi voters were waiting for Pakistan Army response on kashmir article 370, well this the response of Pakistan Army and ISI . its beyond Kashmir, inside in indian cities and all signs leads to only one Symbol. Youthiye! If it was working, why was Ghafoor asked to resign his DG ISPR post?
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 State of affairs in Shaheen Bagh. Delhi Hindus are watching this. Chote masoom bachiyon ke saath siasat!
Deucalion Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Youthiye! If it was working, why was Ghafoor asked to resign his DG ISPR post? so a fake twitter handle is a reliable news in india then media reports , from where you got this news of his resign ? according to the news, he completes his 3 year tenure as DGISPR , now he got promoted . before him Asim Bajwa also served as DGISPR for 3 years. Quote Maj Gen Ghafoor's new assignment will be as the General Officer Commanding Okara. https://www.dawn.com/news/1528680 Modi is here , so is the ISI. its long battle. Edited January 16, 2020 by Deucalion
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Band karo yeh bakwas, Hum Dekhenge Hum Dekhenge, Hum bhi dekh rahein hain, andhe nahin hain. Classic words.
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Posters openly displaying Hinduphobic symbols with supposedly revolutionary poems Plagiarizing Faiz as well. sergio04 1
EnterTheVoid Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Because the Indian media looks west for approval on internal matters, they write stuff on WaPo, NYT, NZHerald etc, that is lapped up by people like you and make opinions. Hence, I am pointing out that India has not done anything new that west has not already done. How any other country deals with their internal affairs is none of India's business. I don't understand this logic of comparing ourselves to others - "Hey, we may be bad but at least we are not as bad as them!" Quote That does not mean India is out to be come a Hindu rashtra with all other religions becoming second class. India needs a national grand narrative linked to Indic civilizational roots with a modern outlook. Why is nationalism considered bad? It lead to wars in the 20th century, but the new kind of Nationalism is about being anti-global, protectionist and reviving it's ancient cultural roots. We praise China for doing the same with their civilization. This narrative of western secular concept with minority appeasement and majority shaming will not work. That has spoilt India's image elsewhere. Pakistan probably asked themselves the same question in 1947. Their entire identity is based on religion. 70 odd years after partition, look how they turned out. Quote There is something in letter and something part of a narrative. Yes, Hinduism doesn't preach (in any text) that other religions are committing sin by not following their religion. We say all lead to the same truth. You cite Yogi, argue with data and facts. Has he stopped any government schemes that are specifically for minorities? Has any mosque in UP stopped playing Azaan 5 times a day or a church stopped their hourly/periodic bells? If equality means minority appeasement, then yes, he has stopped the charade followed by other CMs of UP. He doesn't host iftars or wear skull caps, but goes to perform Ganga aartis. It is a personal choice and he doesn't have to keep appearences for media to get praised that he is secular. If Yogi Adityanath is your poster boy for peace and tolerance, I am truly terrified. Edited January 16, 2020 by EnterTheVoid sandeep 1
FischerTal Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Deucalion said: Modi voters were waiting for Pakistan Army response on kashmir article 370, well this the response of Pakistan Army and ISI . its beyond Kashmir, inside in indian cities and all signs leads to only one Symbol. Keyboard Warrior, having multiple accounts is a violation. Also, if this is the best Pakistani Army can do, then it proves that they have thrown up the White flag. Keep protesting like this when we take over PoK as well Edited January 16, 2020 by FischerTal sandeep 1
Yoda-esque Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 If Yogi Adityanath is your poster boy for peace and tolerance, I am truly terrified. Answer this then,why is Nepal, a pure Hindu country not like Pak?Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Deucalion said: so a fake twitter handle is a reliable news in india then media reports , from where you got this news of his resign ? according to the news, he completes his 3 year tenure as DGISPR , now he got promoted . before him Asim Bajwa also served as DGISPR for 3 years. Naila Inayat is a blue ticker from your country, not a fake news peddler like your PM and Ghafoor sahab tweeting old videos as though it happened yesterday, 4 hours ago, Deucalion said: https://www.dawn.com/news/1528680 Modi is here , so is the ISI. its long battle.
coffee_rules Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: How any other country deals with their internal affairs is none of India's business. I don't understand this logic of comparing ourselves to others - "Hey, we may be bad but at least we are not as bad as them!" This is not a case of 'we are not as bad as them'. This is a case of 'every country will safeguard their vested interests'. West doesn't have the right to preach preach India how to form laws and run the nation. 26 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: Pakistan probably asked themselves the same question in 1947. Their entire identity is based on religion. 70 odd years after partition, look how they turned out. Yes, no nation can be Nationalistic if it has to unite it's population based on religion. If you are equating Hinduism to that of Pakistani mindset, I reset my case. India is not Pakistan because of Hindu majority. If not, it would have turned into another Pakistan, Iran, Iraq etc. 26 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: If Yogi Adityanath is your poster boy for peace and tolerance, I am truly terrified. Yes, in a world where Al-Baghdadi is a austere religious leader, and Yogi is a militant monk, yes, the narrative has to be corrected. If not poster boy, he is not the terrorist as you make him to be. Again, use facts and data to back your argument. Everybody can make statements.
Global.Baba Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: How any other country deals with their internal affairs is none of India's business. I don't understand this logic of comparing ourselves to others - "Hey, we may be bad but at least we are not as bad as them!" Pakistan probably asked themselves the same question in 1947. Their entire identity is based on religion. 70 odd years after partition, look how they turned out. If Yogi Adityanath is your poster boy for peace and tolerance, I am truly terrified. What’s the problem here? Just because he wears a saffron robe and calls himself a yogi Automatically makes him a rabid communal goon? Is he a wanted Terrorist or been involved in such activities? The guy has been a seasoned politician from a young age and has consistently delivered for his constituency. He has earned his stripes. I think the phobia comes from how he looks or carries himself for a lot of folk. You can criticize him for his political decisions etc but You can’t equate him to guys like Baghdadi, Khomeini etc. Yogi might as well make some radical decisions for the criticism he gets anyways but his only so called religious politicking is limited to changing names of places. Anyways he has done some great things to improve the law and order in UP Which benefitted everyone regardless of religion. someone, diga, sergio04 and 4 others 2 5
someone Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Global.Baba said: What’s the problem here? Just because he wears a saffron robe and calls himself a yogi Automatically makes him a rabid communal goon? He is another confused Hindu. Since birth, many has been taught and brainwashed that minorities are always insecure and eternal victims. Thus, consequently, it has resulted in Muslim veto power which is being challenged first time. That should be welcomed in a secular country. Another consequence is hatred for anybody who is “too Hindu” or expresses it well. So some Hindu prefers to be timid and wants all Hindus to follow their way of life, else it is communal. That speaks for their intolerance and the secularism mess in our country. As on the other hand, there is the Muslim identity politics which gets conveniently covered in the burqa of secularism... sergio04, diga, mishra and 5 others 1 1 6
EnterTheVoid Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Global.Baba said: What’s the problem here? Just because he wears a saffron robe and calls himself a yogi Automatically makes him a rabid communal goon? Is he a wanted Terrorist or been involved in such activities? The guy has been a seasoned politician from a young age and has consistently delivered for his constituency. He has earned his stripes. I think the phobia comes from how he looks or carries himself for a lot of folk. You can criticize him for his political decisions etc but You can’t equate him to guys like Baghdadi, Khomeini etc. Yogi might as well make some radical decisions for the criticism he gets anyways but his only so called religious politicking is limited to changing names of places. Anyways he has done some great things to improve the law and order in UP Which benefitted everyone regardless of religion. What's the problem with Yogi Adityanath? Let's start with his long history of genocidal statements. Google is your best friend. Edited January 17, 2020 by EnterTheVoid sandeep 1
EnterTheVoid Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, coffee_rules said: This is not a case of 'we are not as bad as them'. This is a case of 'every country will safeguard their vested interests'. West doesn't have the right to preach preach India how to form laws and run the nation. Nobody is preaching to India. The opposition to India being a Nationalist state is coming from within. And rightly so. Quote Yes, no nation can be Nationalistic if it has to unite it's population based on religion. If you are equating Hinduism to that of Pakistani mindset, I reset my case. India is not Pakistan because of Hindu majority. If not, it would have turned into another Pakistan, Iran, Iraq etc. I don't know what "Pakistani mindset" you are referring to. Pakistani's are Indian Muslims who went down the Nationalism path during partition. Nobody is equating Hinduism to the "Pakistani mindset" (whatever that is). I am simply asking, if India goes down the Nationalism path, how is it any different to them doing the same in 1947. Quote Yes, in a world where Al-Baghdadi is a austere religious leader, and Yogi is a militant monk, yes, the narrative has to be corrected. If not poster boy, he is not the terrorist as you make him to be. Again, use facts and data to back your argument. Everybody can make statements. What does Al Baghdadi or anyone else got to do with anything? Yogi Adityanath has been sprouting communal nonsense since the get go. It's no secret, it's all written down. You shouldn't deny it either. Not when he himself seems to revel in it. Edited January 17, 2020 by EnterTheVoid
EnterTheVoid Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 5 hours ago, someone said: He is another confused Hindu. Since birth, many has been taught and brainwashed that minorities are always insecure and eternal victims. Thus, consequently, it has resulted in Muslim veto power which is being challenged first time. That should be welcomed in a secular country. Another consequence is hatred for anybody who is “too Hindu” or expresses it well. So some Hindu prefers to be timid and wants all Hindus to follow their way of life, else it is communal. That speaks for their intolerance and the secularism mess in our country. As on the other hand, there is the Muslim identity politics which gets conveniently covered in the burqa of secularism... Good joke. But I doubt you set out to tell a joke. sandeep 1
mishra Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 2 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: What's the problem with Yogi Adityanath? Let's start with his long history of genocidal statements. Google is your best friend. Do you know meaning of term “genocide”. Should he say Hindus should let their daughters and women raped without reacting? Should he not call out upon systematic abuse of power by Indian politicians on “Vote bank “ politics. His message that he is pro “Vikas” and if need be to be violently opposed to politics of “Tushtikaran” touches chord with everyone in state of Uttar Pradesh. BTW, on overall administration and infrastructure development, He did a quantum jump of UP state. I can proudly say that he took UP atleast 25-30 years ahead in the two areas. Don’t spread ignorance as you have no idea about ground reality Laaloo, Global.Baba, diga and 1 other 4
Yoda-esque Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 :phehe: Good joke. But I doubt you set out to tell a joke.Nobody's laughing thoughOn the other hand,your logic and knowledge are laugh worthy...Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk sergio04, Turning_track, Laaloo and 2 others 1 4
coffee_rules Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: Nobody is preaching to India. yes, you are. Reading media reports and forming blind opinions. Read about the history of partition, untold stories of minority persecution and the wrongs that had to be corrected. 3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: The opposition to India being a Nationalist state is coming from within. And rightly so. People voting BJP since 2014 means its policies are liked by people of India. 3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: I don't know what "Pakistani mindset" you are referring to. Pakistani's are Indian Muslims who went down the Nationalism path during partition. Pakistani mindset is not nationalism. It is an Islamic supremacist mindset. Don’t compare that with Hinduism or Hindutva. Read about Direct Action day to know Pakistani mindset. 3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: Nobody is equating Hinduism to the "Pakistani mindset" (whatever that is). I am simply asking, if India goes down the Nationalism path, how is it any different to them doing the same in 1947. india is democratic country and it has to unite under one drive . If you want to call it nationalism and bring in Pakistan each time, then you don’t get it at all. You can be culturally nationalistic and build a nation like Korea, Japan, China, Russia, Vietnam and even the USA. 3 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: What does Al Baghdadi or anyone else got to do with anything? Yogi Adityanath has been sprouting communal nonsense since the get go. It's no secret, it's all written down. You shouldn't deny it either. Not when he himself seems to revel in it. I think you don’t get it, people like al-Baghdad I are saints for liberals. Yogi as CM is a different ballgame for liberals. He was painted communal and made him a villain, just like they did to Advani, Modi. Shah and now Yogi. Now, his performance is contrary to his image that was built up. Laaloo 1
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