Stop Comparing our youngsters to WI youngsters in terms of power game, those guys are genetically better for that role

[Ajju]

Groom Jadeja and Axar

they ll do wonders

and Dhoni is our biggest hitter

 

watch ipl last over highlights

[express bowling]

The moment we bring some big hitters, we ourselves start complaining that he is a hack 

 

We, as a nation, like proper classical batsmen.  No harm in that.  But the flip side is that 70 % or more of such batters won't come across as power hitters.

 

Desmond Haynes, Gus Logie, Jeff Dujon were not power hitters. Pollard and Hetmeyer have way more power than a Brian Charles Lara.

 

If we want power hitters then we should be able to accept more " hacks " and the quality of our batting may  go down too.

 

I don't think we would have been able to accept or tolerate a team full of Pollards and Hetmeyers.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Really?

 

Axar has improved his big hitting skills tremendously in the last 12 months.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Ajju said:

Groom Jadeja and Axar

they ll do wonders

and Dhoni is our biggest hitter

 

watch ipl last over highlights

 

Inability to hit big is not our problem.

 

But our batsmen will always play to have spectacular stats, even in T20s.

[Gollum]

Cricket is a skill based sport, genetics is a deal breaker in track, swimming, strongman competitions, basketball etc...cricket is a lazy sport relatively and more importantly structured in such a way that 5 ft tall Aravinda can own the likes of Ambrose/McGrath who are almost 2 ft taller. Not just batsman vs bowler...a hobbit like Mushfiqur can outhit many batsmen who are more gifted physically. In which other sport do you get such a variance in body dimensions and physical prowess...Chahal and Russell can share the same dressing room in future IPL seasons and won't raise an eyebrow !!!

 

Lots of skill needed to be a big hitter, look at tennis and the speed that peak Federer uses to generate on his FH wing, scrawny guy compared to many others on tour...

 

Ingredients for big hitting

- balance, our hitters seem to lose shape at the point of contact

- bat speed

- footwork, getting ball in the slot rather than over or under extending

- attitude, our guys are more in the classical mode and swipes are frowned upon in Indian batting culture

- shot selection

- anticipation and picking the ball early, I can't emphasize this enough

- technical aspects like transfer of body weight, back lift/swing

 

Power helps but need to do the basics right...how many Indian batsmen tick all these criteria? 

Edited December 9, 2019 by Gollum

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

The moment we bring some big hitters, we ourselves start complaining that he is a hack 

 

We, as a nation, like proper classical batsmen.  No harm in that.  But the flip side is that 70 % or more of such batters won't come across as power hitters.

 

Desmond Haynes, Gus Logie, Jeff Dujon were not power hitters. Pollard and Hetmeyer have way more power than a Brian Charles Lara.

 

If we want power hitters then we should be able to accept more " hacks " and the quality of our batting may  go down too.

 

I don't think we would have been able to accept or tolerate a team full of Pollards and Hetmeyers.

Are we not tolerating hacks like Pandya,Dubey, they become more acceptable if they can bowl well.Power game is lacking very much in Indian line up.

[Vk1]

14 hours ago, express bowling said:

The moment we bring some big hitters, we ourselves start complaining that he is a hack 

 

We, as a nation, like proper classical batsmen.  No harm in that.  But the flip side is that 70 % or more of such batters won't come across as power hitters.

 

Desmond Haynes, Gus Logie, Jeff Dujon were not power hitters. Pollard and Hetmeyer have way more power than a Brian Charles Lara.

 

If we want power hitters then we should be able to accept more " hacks " and the quality of our batting may  go down too.

 

I don't think we would have been able to accept or tolerate a team full of Pollards and Hetmeyers.

Yusuf Pathan was probably the last hack we had in our team. In the sense that he only knew to swing it wildly if it was in his arc.

[Straight Drive]

On 12/8/2019 at 1:42 AM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

these are not ifs n buts they are real factors 

Take ashwin xample now his wkt taking speed will slow down coz pacers are no leaving anything for our spinners. Had murali had such kind of bowling attack he wudnt have reached 800 wkts....

When we compare murali n warne we keep in mind that warne played in aus and he had 3 bowlers who use to clean up most wkts before he came in

It works both ways. If you say bowlers who bowled spells before Warner picked most wickets, it would mean Warne could get cheap wicket s in those matches of lower order batsmen. I think you have framed it incorrectly.

[Real McCoy]

We should open with Umesh if somebody needs power in a t20 game

[Ankit_sharma03]

9 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Yusuf Pathan was probably the last hack we had in our team. In the sense that he only knew to swing it wildly if it was in his arc.

even he had in issues in that his strength was mostly against spinner and spinners also understood over the years to pitch out of his arc. He never improved his skill. In that way hardik is a much better player of Pace bowling and in small time he has developed helicopter shot which is a weapon against yorkers 

[Straight Drive]

Would have liked to see Kapil, Salim Durani and  Shrikant play this format.

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, Straight Drive said:

Would have liked to see Kapil, Salim Durani and  Shrikant play this format.

 

Plus Sandip Patil, Vengsarkar and Kirti Azad. 

[Khota]

I understand genetics plays a huge role but the discusiion should be how to overcome that. What India needs is a strength and conditioning coach who keeps these players in weight room.

[putrevus]

On 12/9/2019 at 4:41 AM, express bowling said:

The moment we bring some big hitters, we ourselves start complaining that he is a hack 

 

We, as a nation, like proper classical batsmen.  No harm in that.  But the flip side is that 70 % or more of such batters won't come across as power hitters.

 

Desmond Haynes, Gus Logie, Jeff Dujon were not power hitters. Pollard and Hetmeyer have way more power than a Brian Charles Lara.

 

If we want power hitters then we should be able to accept more " hacks " and the quality of our batting may  go down too.

 

I don't think we would have been able to accept or tolerate a team full of Pollards and Hetmeyers.

Nobody is asking for hacks, they are asking for people who can hit, were Yuvraj and Raina hacks.

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is asking for hacks, they are asking for people who can hit, were Yuvraj and Raina hacks.

 

Raina was called a hack often enough.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Nobody is asking for hacks, they are asking for people who can hit, were Yuvraj and Raina hacks.

they were proper batsman capable to bat in top order and yuvi success came in middle only not in lower middle. Raina had to bat low coz there was no place up . 

The times they played in targets were diff now targets have gone higher so u need power hitter....whom ppl call hacks. I dnt even get what is this term Hack ...how do u describe a hack ?

Edited December 10, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[putrevus]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Raina was called a hack often enough.  

Thats fine, India needs players like him who can go from ball one.He is very underated player, he had his issues with short ball and technique but played a big role is many wins.He to me is still the best IPL batsman in IPL history.

 

This nonsense about genes from op is ridiculous.It is the mindset of the batsmen which needs to change.Power play is being played as if it is just another odi start  by our useless top three.

 

There is obviously lack of talented batsmen in the system.

Edited December 10, 2019 by putrevus

[Ankit_sharma03]

46 minutes ago, Khota said:

I understand genetics plays a huge role but the discusiion should be how to overcome that. What India needs is a strength and conditioning coach who keeps these players in weight room.

We already have that and every IPL team to and we are improving 

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, Straight Drive said:

Would have liked to see Kapil, Salim Durani and  Shrikant play this format.

I don't think they would have done that great, other than Kapil. 

[express bowling]

19 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

This nonsense about genes from op is ridiculous.It is the mindset of the batsmen which need to change.Power play is being played as if it is just another odi  by our useless top three.

 

True.

 

As I said above, we have lots of big hitters ... Pandya, Rohit, Rahul, Pant, Iyer, Sundar and now Dube ... all can hit big 6s regularly. 

 

But batsmen who can hit big are often choosing not to, and wasting deliveries.

 

We need to change our mindset to batting at a high SR in T20s. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by express bowling