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10 minutes ago, zen said:

 

People are discussing those who have played considerable number of balls to impact the outcome of a game - Good examples of  impact players in K11 are Agarwal and Pooran 

One can't play a considerable number of balls if one gets out early.  I get that, sometimes, Maxwell doesn't get there with much left, but is that always the case?  

Match 1:  Out in the 7th over

Match 2:  Out in the 16th over

Match 3:  Not out, SR 144, Team strike Rate >200

Match 4:  Out in the 15th over

Match 5:  11 (7)*, SR 157, Team SR 148 (Awesome Job there!) 

Match 6:  Out in the 11th over

Match 7:  10 (5)*, SR 200, Team SR 123 (Awesome Job there!)

 

So, it's not like he was coming in 15th over and looking to slog every ball.  In most cases, he had enough overs to make an impact, but has not delivered.  

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13 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

One can't play a considerable number of balls if one gets out early.  I get that, sometimes, Maxwell doesn't get there with much left, but is that always the case?  

Match 1:  Out in the 7th over

Match 2:  Out in the 16th over

Match 3:  Not out, SR 144, Team strike Rate >200

Match 4:  Out in the 15th over

Match 5:  11 (7)*, SR 157, Team SR 148 (Awesome Job there!) 

Match 6:  Out in the 11th over

Match 7:  10 (5)*, SR 200, Team SR 123 (Awesome Job there!)

 

So, it's not like he was coming in 15th over and looking to slog every ball.  In most cases, he had enough overs to make an impact, but has not delivered.  

 

If Maxwell is not batting well, he can be replaced. Also teams can play 2-3 impact players hoping they would deliver at different stages of a tournament .... X not batting well and Y wasting balls despite having the opportunities to make an impact are two different things. For e.g. KL played 50 odd balls at Sharjah but could only get 1 6 in, which is criminal. If an inform Maxwell plays 50 odd balls at Sharjah, the other team is more likely to have been batted out  

 

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10 minutes ago, zen said:

 

If Maxwell is not batting well, he can be replaced. Also teams can play 2-3 impact players hoping they would deliver at different stages of a tournament .... X not batting well and Y wasting balls despite having the opportunities to make an impact are two different things. For e.g. KL played 50 odd balls at Sharjah but could only get 1 6 in, which is criminal. If an inform Maxwell plays 50 odd balls at Sharjah, the other team is more likely to have been batted out  

 

Big if.  

 

I get what you are saying.  But my point is that, if there was some assurance that someone like Maxwell would pull his weight at #4 or #5, then KLR could go out blazing.  But, when your middle order is soft, you play scared.  Context.  

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25 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Big if.  

 

I get what you are saying.  But my point is that, if there was some assurance that someone like Maxwell would pull his weight at #4 or #5, then KLR could go out blazing.  But, when your middle order is soft, you play scared.  Context.  

 

First, until Maxell (or whoever bats), no-one can be sure if they will fail. 2nd, even after Maxwell, there are other batsmen 

 

In the 90s, Shastri used to do tuk tuk and claim that Team Ind at times in unable to bat for 50 overs. That does not justify his tuk tuk, which can put  his team out of the game even before others bat or can rectify. Neither are teams going to play someone like a Shastri in T20s over likes of Maxwell to get 25 of 20 balls :lol: 

 

Now you listed Maxwell's innings and per your parameter gave him 2/3 "goods" out of 7; KL has only 1 "good" despite being in form (v RCB and that too because of dropped catches) out of 7 games and on top of that has hindered his team's chances v RR, KKR, DC (Superover), .... (the topic of the thread)

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That is a hundred-run stand off 46 legal deliveries. De Villiers has scored 73 off those. If Kohli has done something right, it is that he has let him face 33 out of these 46 balls. This is a great example of one man rising above the rest. Kohli and Finch were struggling really bad against the slow nature of the pitch

 

Great knock ab. 73(33)*

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10 minutes ago, zen said:

 

First, until Maxell (or whoever bats), no-one can be sure if they will fail. 2nd, even after Maxwell, there are other batsmen 

 

In the 90s, Shastri used to do tuk tuk and claim that Team Ind at times in unable to bat for 50 overs. That does not justify his tuk tuk, which can put  his team out of the game even before others bat or can rectify. Neither are teams going to play someone like a Shastri in T20s over likes of Maxwell to get 25 of 20 balls :lol: 

 

Now you listed Maxwell's innings and per your parameter gave him 2/3 "goods" out of 7; KL has only 1 "good" despite being in form (v RCB and that too because of dropped catches) out of 7 games and on top of that has hindered his team's chances v RR, KKR, DC (Superover), .... (the topic of the thread)

Oh ... the goods were sarcastic.  No one with a 11(7) and 10(5) deserve un-sarcastic goods.

 

I used Maxwell as an example since I love to rail on the arrogant Ozzies.  But overall KXIP's batting is KLR & MAg, followed by the dugout parade.  Pooran has clicked here and there, but overall they stink.  I'll bet KLR's approach reflects a lack of confidence in the MO, plus pitches being slower overall.    

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

Kohli 33* of 28 at Sharjah .... Do these guys only have avgs in mind? They do not try to take initiatives unless forced to do so 

 

Dhawan, Rohit & Kohli, we need to move away from them in T20s if we have to develop a new brand of cricket (even at the cost of struggling a little without them in the early phase)

Kohli played anchor role by giving strike to ABD and Finch earlier. He trust their hitting abilities more and he takes less risk than both of them.

 

He has been doing the same for a while. It will work sometimes and sometimes it won't, it moslty works for him and his team. He did the same last game and then went all out and scored a big knock which became a match winning knock.

 

 

Don't waste your time in thinking a guy like Kohli plays for average. He wants to win it badly. I am sure 99% f players want that. Let's discuss other stuff. .

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2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Oh ... the goods were sarcastic.  No one with a 11(7) and 10(5) deserve un-sarcastic goods.

 

I used Maxwell as an example since I love to rail on the arrogant Ozzies.  But overall KXIP's batting is KLR & MAg, followed by the dugout parade.  Pooran has clicked here and there, but overall they stink.  I'll bet KLR's approach reflects a lack of confidence in the MO, plus pitches being slower overall.    

 

Piches have not been slower in many of the games K11 batted in .... Pitches becoming slower later on is no excuse of batting in such fashion when pitches were not slower :winky:

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3 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Anchor at Sharjah w/ ABDV (when Kohli walked in), Morris, Dube and Sundar still to follow :hatsoff:

 

ABD hitting is another level. Kohli and Finch both struggled to hit in the middle. 

 

Even if Dubey and Morris come, I doubt the score would have crossed 200, they would have missed balls too while trying to connect and gotten out, so ABD would have gotten less balls to face than what he did now with Kohli batting.

 

Kohli has great batting knowledge and knows who needs to take up more balls, doubt Dubey would have tried to give ABD strike like that. ABD ended up facing most balls in the end and also helped RCB get close to 200 this way. 

 

These little things matter. It's mental game, which Dubey and co lack. It's called batting in p'ship. 

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12 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

ABD hitting is another level. Kohli and Finch both struggled to hit in the middle. 

 

Even if Dubey and Morris come, I doubt the score would have crossed 200, they would have missed balls too while trying to connect and gotten out, so ABD would have gotten less balls to face than what he did now with Kohli batting.

 

Kohli has great batting knowledge and knows who needs to take up more balls, doubt Dubey would have tried to give ABD strike like that. ABD ended up facing most balls in the end and also helped RCB get close to 200 this way. 

 

These little things matter. It's mental game, which Dubey and co lack. It's called batting in p'ship. 

 

Most batsmen (or as a group) can get a 33* of 28 (w/ 1 four) .... There is no advantage of a team having "Kohli" in this case. Could have dropped down the order too :dontknow:

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Just now, zen said:

 

Most batsmen (or as a group) can get a 33* of 28 (w/ 1 four) .... There is no advantage of a team having "Kohli" in this case. Could have dropped down the order too :dontknow:


Like I said, he is trying to do what he did last game, by trying to wait and attack. However this game he found AB as partner and gave him the strike after he came in 14th over.  Kohli batted similar way last game, just that everyone got out around him that time.

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15 minutes ago, Cricketics said:


Like I said, he is trying to do what he did last game, by trying to wait and attack. However this game he found AB as partner and gave him the strike after he came in 14th over.  Kohli batted similar way last game, just that everyone got out around him that time.

 

when Padikkal got out both him and Finch had faced same number of balls and scored same number of runs - 37 of 23 

 

When Finch got out and ABDV in, Kohli continued to dabble around, playing overs such as below

 

END OF OVER 154 runs
RCB: 111/2CRR: 7.4 
 
Virat Kohli20 (21)
AB de Villiers8 (9)
 
Varun Chakravarthy4-0-25-0
Kamlesh Nagarkoti3-0-18-0
 
 

Excellent spell from Varun. Only one boundary in four overs in Sharjah. That too off a misfield

14.6
2
Varun to Kohli, 2 runs
Wide length ball, cut away, past point, but not enough timing to beat deep cover
 
14.5
1
Varun to de Villiers, 1 run
Flat, quick offbreak, punched to long-off for one
 
14.4
Varun to de Villiers, no run
Flighted, just short of being a half-volley, just outside off, steered away, but again can't place it. All signs of a slow pitch
 
14.3
Varun to de Villiers, no run
On a length, legcutter, punched to extra cover. Can't place it
 
14.2
1
Varun to Kohli, 1 run
On a length, pretty straight, punched to deep midwicket for one
 
14.1
Varun to Kohli, no run
Yorker outside off, under his bat. Valuable dot
 

then ABDV probably decided that it was up to him 

 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

 

when Padikkal got out both him and Finch had faced same number of balls and scored same number of runs - 37 of 23 

 

When Finch got out and ABDV in, Kohli continued to dabble around, playing overs such as below

 

END OF OVER 154 runs
RCB: 111/2CRR: 7.4 
 
Virat Kohli20 (21)
AB de Villiers8 (9)
 
Varun Chakravarthy4-0-25-0
Kamlesh Nagarkoti3-0-18-0
 
 

Excellent spell from Varun. Only one boundary in four overs in Sharjah. That too off a misfield

14.6
2
Varun to Kohli, 2 runs
Wide length ball, cut away, past point, but not enough timing to beat deep cover
 
14.5
1
Varun to de Villiers, 1 run
Flat, quick offbreak, punched to long-off for one
 
14.4
Varun to de Villiers, no run
Flighted, just short of being a half-volley, just outside off, steered away, but again can't place it. All signs of a slow pitch
 
14.3
Varun to de Villiers, no run
On a length, legcutter, punched to extra cover. Can't place it
 
14.2
1
Varun to Kohli, 1 run
On a length, pretty straight, punched to deep midwicket for one
 
14.1
Varun to Kohli, no run
Yorker outside off, under his bat. Valuable dot
 

then ABDV probably decided that it was up to him 

 


ABD is a bitter hitter than Kohli

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2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

On a serious note to many indian batsman is a worry on that list , n jadhav rayudu dhoni shud least of be the worries as they are retired or not in plan 

PPl like Manish, dhawan, jaddu and rahul shud be the worry 

 

 

Jadhav has not retired and gets picked in ODIs.

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