BacktoCricaddict Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, zen said: People are discussing those who have played considerable number of balls to impact the outcome of a game - Good examples of impact players in K11 are Agarwal and Pooran One can't play a considerable number of balls if one gets out early. I get that, sometimes, Maxwell doesn't get there with much left, but is that always the case? Match 1: Out in the 7th over Match 2: Out in the 16th over Match 3: Not out, SR 144, Team strike Rate >200 Match 4: Out in the 15th over Match 5: 11 (7)*, SR 157, Team SR 148 (Awesome Job there!) Match 6: Out in the 11th over Match 7: 10 (5)*, SR 200, Team SR 123 (Awesome Job there!) So, it's not like he was coming in 15th over and looking to slog every ball. In most cases, he had enough overs to make an impact, but has not delivered. Edited October 12, 2020 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 BTW, tht Shikhar Dhawan knock yesterday, won the game changer of the match award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: One can't play a considerable number of balls if one gets out early. I get that, sometimes, Maxwell doesn't get there with much left, but is that always the case? Match 1: Out in the 7th over Match 2: Out in the 16th over Match 3: Not out, SR 144, Team strike Rate >200 Match 4: Out in the 15th over Match 5: 11 (7)*, SR 157, Team SR 148 (Awesome Job there!) Match 6: Out in the 11th over Match 7: 10 (5)*, SR 200, Team SR 123 (Awesome Job there!) So, it's not like he was coming in 15th over and looking to slog every ball. In most cases, he had enough overs to make an impact, but has not delivered. If Maxwell is not batting well, he can be replaced. Also teams can play 2-3 impact players hoping they would deliver at different stages of a tournament .... X not batting well and Y wasting balls despite having the opportunities to make an impact are two different things. For e.g. KL played 50 odd balls at Sharjah but could only get 1 6 in, which is criminal. If an inform Maxwell plays 50 odd balls at Sharjah, the other team is more likely to have been batted out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, zen said: If Maxwell is not batting well, he can be replaced. Also teams can play 2-3 impact players hoping they would deliver at different stages of a tournament .... X not batting well and Y wasting balls despite having the opportunities to make an impact are two different things. For e.g. KL played 50 odd balls at Sharjah but could only get 1 6 in, which is criminal. If an inform Maxwell plays 50 odd balls at Sharjah, the other team is more likely to have been batted out Big if. I get what you are saying. But my point is that, if there was some assurance that someone like Maxwell would pull his weight at #4 or #5, then KLR could go out blazing. But, when your middle order is soft, you play scared. Context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosher Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Kohli is doing tuk tuk and that too in Sharjah while AB is going nuts at the other end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Big if. I get what you are saying. But my point is that, if there was some assurance that someone like Maxwell would pull his weight at #4 or #5, then KLR could go out blazing. But, when your middle order is soft, you play scared. Context. First, until Maxell (or whoever bats), no-one can be sure if they will fail. 2nd, even after Maxwell, there are other batsmen In the 90s, Shastri used to do tuk tuk and claim that Team Ind at times in unable to bat for 50 overs. That does not justify his tuk tuk, which can put his team out of the game even before others bat or can rectify. Neither are teams going to play someone like a Shastri in T20s over likes of Maxwell to get 25 of 20 balls Now you listed Maxwell's innings and per your parameter gave him 2/3 "goods" out of 7; KL has only 1 "good" despite being in form (v RCB and that too because of dropped catches) out of 7 games and on top of that has hindered his team's chances v RR, KKR, DC (Superover), .... (the topic of the thread) Edited October 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Kohli 33* of 28 at Sharjah .... Do these guys only have avgs in mind? They do not try to take initiatives unless forced to do so Dhawan, Rohit & Kohli, we need to move away from them in T20s if we have to develop a new brand of cricket (even at the cost of struggling a little without them in the early phase) sergio04 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan AF Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 That is a hundred-run stand off 46 legal deliveries. De Villiers has scored 73 off those. If Kohli has done something right, it is that he has let him face 33 out of these 46 balls. This is a great example of one man rising above the rest. Kohli and Finch were struggling really bad against the slow nature of the pitch Great knock ab. 73(33)* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, zen said: First, until Maxell (or whoever bats), no-one can be sure if they will fail. 2nd, even after Maxwell, there are other batsmen In the 90s, Shastri used to do tuk tuk and claim that Team Ind at times in unable to bat for 50 overs. That does not justify his tuk tuk, which can put his team out of the game even before others bat or can rectify. Neither are teams going to play someone like a Shastri in T20s over likes of Maxwell to get 25 of 20 balls Now you listed Maxwell's innings and per your parameter gave him 2/3 "goods" out of 7; KL has only 1 "good" despite being in form (v RCB and that too because of dropped catches) out of 7 games and on top of that has hindered his team's chances v RR, KKR, DC (Superover), .... (the topic of the thread) Oh ... the goods were sarcastic. No one with a 11(7) and 10(5) deserve un-sarcastic goods. I used Maxwell as an example since I love to rail on the arrogant Ozzies. But overall KXIP's batting is KLR & MAg, followed by the dugout parade. Pooran has clicked here and there, but overall they stink. I'll bet KLR's approach reflects a lack of confidence in the MO, plus pitches being slower overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, zen said: Kohli 33* of 28 at Sharjah .... Do these guys only have avgs in mind? They do not try to take initiatives unless forced to do so Dhawan, Rohit & Kohli, we need to move away from them in T20s if we have to develop a new brand of cricket (even at the cost of struggling a little without them in the early phase) Kohli played anchor role by giving strike to ABD and Finch earlier. He trust their hitting abilities more and he takes less risk than both of them. He has been doing the same for a while. It will work sometimes and sometimes it won't, it moslty works for him and his team. He did the same last game and then went all out and scored a big knock which became a match winning knock. Don't waste your time in thinking a guy like Kohli plays for average. He wants to win it badly. I am sure 99% f players want that. Let's discuss other stuff. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Oh ... the goods were sarcastic. No one with a 11(7) and 10(5) deserve un-sarcastic goods. I used Maxwell as an example since I love to rail on the arrogant Ozzies. But overall KXIP's batting is KLR & MAg, followed by the dugout parade. Pooran has clicked here and there, but overall they stink. I'll bet KLR's approach reflects a lack of confidence in the MO, plus pitches being slower overall. Piches have not been slower in many of the games K11 batted in .... Pitches becoming slower later on is no excuse of batting in such fashion when pitches were not slower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Kohli played anchor role by giving strike to ABD and Finch earlier. He trust their hitting abilities more and he takes less risk than both of them. Anchor at Sharjah w/ ABDV (when Kohli walked in), Morris, Dube and Sundar still to follow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, zen said: Anchor at Sharjah w/ ABDV (when Kohli walked in), Morris, Dube and Sundar still to follow ABD hitting is another level. Kohli and Finch both struggled to hit in the middle. Even if Dubey and Morris come, I doubt the score would have crossed 200, they would have missed balls too while trying to connect and gotten out, so ABD would have gotten less balls to face than what he did now with Kohli batting. Kohli has great batting knowledge and knows who needs to take up more balls, doubt Dubey would have tried to give ABD strike like that. ABD ended up facing most balls in the end and also helped RCB get close to 200 this way. These little things matter. It's mental game, which Dubey and co lack. It's called batting in p'ship. Stan AF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Cricketics said: ABD hitting is another level. Kohli and Finch both struggled to hit in the middle. Even if Dubey and Morris come, I doubt the score would have crossed 200, they would have missed balls too while trying to connect and gotten out, so ABD would have gotten less balls to face than what he did now with Kohli batting. Kohli has great batting knowledge and knows who needs to take up more balls, doubt Dubey would have tried to give ABD strike like that. ABD ended up facing most balls in the end and also helped RCB get close to 200 this way. These little things matter. It's mental game, which Dubey and co lack. It's called batting in p'ship. Most batsmen (or as a group) can get a 33* of 28 (w/ 1 four) .... There is no advantage of a team having "Kohli" in this case. Could have dropped down the order too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, zen said: Most batsmen (or as a group) can get a 33* of 28 (w/ 1 four) .... There is no advantage of a team having "Kohli" in this case. Could have dropped down the order too Like I said, he is trying to do what he did last game, by trying to wait and attack. However this game he found AB as partner and gave him the strike after he came in 14th over. Kohli batted similar way last game, just that everyone got out around him that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaloo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, Mosher said: Kohli is doing tuk tuk and that too in Sharjah while AB is going nuts at the other end. He also declined a run in the last ball. Could have run a two but declined lol. btw Gavaskar said this was a great partnership. Ghanta partnership lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Like I said, he is trying to do what he did last game, by trying to wait and attack. However this game he found AB as partner and gave him the strike after he came in 14th over. Kohli batted similar way last game, just that everyone got out around him that time. when Padikkal got out both him and Finch had faced same number of balls and scored same number of runs - 37 of 23 When Finch got out and ABDV in, Kohli continued to dabble around, playing overs such as below END OF OVER 154 runs RCB: 111/2CRR: 7.4 Virat Kohli20 (21) AB de Villiers8 (9) Varun Chakravarthy4-0-25-0 Kamlesh Nagarkoti3-0-18-0 Excellent spell from Varun. Only one boundary in four overs in Sharjah. That too off a misfield 14.6 2 Varun to Kohli, 2 runs Wide length ball, cut away, past point, but not enough timing to beat deep cover 14.5 1 Varun to de Villiers, 1 run Flat, quick offbreak, punched to long-off for one 14.4 • Varun to de Villiers, no run Flighted, just short of being a half-volley, just outside off, steered away, but again can't place it. All signs of a slow pitch 14.3 • Varun to de Villiers, no run On a length, legcutter, punched to extra cover. Can't place it 14.2 1 Varun to Kohli, 1 run On a length, pretty straight, punched to deep midwicket for one 14.1 • Varun to Kohli, no run Yorker outside off, under his bat. Valuable dot then ABDV probably decided that it was up to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketics Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: when Padikkal got out both him and Finch had faced same number of balls and scored same number of runs - 37 of 23 When Finch got out and ABDV in, Kohli continued to dabble around, playing overs such as below END OF OVER 154 runs RCB: 111/2CRR: 7.4 Virat Kohli20 (21) AB de Villiers8 (9) Varun Chakravarthy4-0-25-0 Kamlesh Nagarkoti3-0-18-0 Excellent spell from Varun. Only one boundary in four overs in Sharjah. That too off a misfield 14.6 2 Varun to Kohli, 2 runs Wide length ball, cut away, past point, but not enough timing to beat deep cover 14.5 1 Varun to de Villiers, 1 run Flat, quick offbreak, punched to long-off for one 14.4 • Varun to de Villiers, no run Flighted, just short of being a half-volley, just outside off, steered away, but again can't place it. All signs of a slow pitch 14.3 • Varun to de Villiers, no run On a length, legcutter, punched to extra cover. Can't place it 14.2 1 Varun to Kohli, 1 run On a length, pretty straight, punched to deep midwicket for one 14.1 • Varun to Kohli, no run Yorker outside off, under his bat. Valuable dot then ABDV probably decided that it was up to him ABD is a bitter hitter than Kohli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Wnt blame kohli for today every batsman has struggled, one had to hold other end. Abdv is an absolute genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: On a serious note to many indian batsman is a worry on that list , n jadhav rayudu dhoni shud least of be the worries as they are retired or not in plan PPl like Manish, dhawan, jaddu and rahul shud be the worry Jadhav has not retired and gets picked in ODIs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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