Is this the end of line for Manish Pandey's career?

[Majestic]

Manish Pandey is 32 and he has not cemented his spot in any format yet. His chances of comeback in tests is anyways NULL.

 

Based on Pant's performance in Australia series, it is inevitable that he can't be ignored any longer for the other two formats. There is Suryakumar Yadav waiting for a place in Indian side from a long time now. There is Shreyas Iyer who only recently had his first bad ODI series and he is just 25, so you won't want to break a youngster confidence based on one failure. Gill can't be ignored either. Then there are hacks like Samson and Kishan who can be vital short term investments for 20-20 tamasha as well if going through a purple patch.

 

As all these names seems to be higher in reckoning and can be longer and better investment for India, can this be assumed that the end is nigh for Manish Pandey and we might not see him in any format any longer.

 

Discuss!

Edited January 30, 2021 by Majestic
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[Ankit_sharma03]

Pandey and Iyer are both good players but not X factor players- gill, pant , rahul all are qualitatively better batsman. 

Wont say their career is over , kohli likes to play safe in LOI and they are safe players atleast seems to be safe . Both their games have a major concern area and then the limitation to cover it. 

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[Serpico]

His best format is ODI.. with the super tight schedule we got this year, there will always be injury issues, all format players wanting rest etc. He might get some chances here and there. In 2023, who knows what happens. Nobody expected DK and 3d shankar in 2019 wc. 

 

In T20Is, it's up to him in the upcoming IPL. If he has a monster season with 500+ runs he can comeback into the team but anything less, it's over for him

[velu]

23 minutes ago, Serpico said:

In T20Is, it's up to him in the upcoming IPL. If he has a monster season with 500+ runs he can comeback into the team but anything less, it's over for him

 

he migth score 500+ runs with 115/120 SR ..

there is a reason why people call him as Jr Thala in T20s

[ShoonyaSifar]

Never say never asking as Kohli is captain. He could even be the number 4 in T20 WC. 

[Majestic]

There can't be plenty of names for no.4 position in the T20 squad vs England. I have a feeling Manish Pandey will be dropped this time. One of SKY or Pant or maybe both will be given chance and Iyer will retain his spot too, that 110 m six under pressure situation has saved his place IMO.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

I am not sure why India never tried him in Test Cricket.

 

Good first class record, no issue against short ball.

 

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

12 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

I am not sure why India never tried him in Test Cricket.

 

Good first class record, no issue against short ball.

 

 

 

 

Have u seen his technique ...he ll be caught in gully half the time plus spinner specially who take ball away will cause him a lot of problem. 

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[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Serpico said:

His best format is ODI.. with the super tight schedule we got this year, there will always be injury issues, all format players wanting rest etc. He might get some chances here and there. In 2023, who knows what happens. Nobody expected DK and 3d shankar in 2019 wc. 

 

In T20Is, it's up to him in the upcoming IPL. If he has a monster season with 500+ runs he can comeback into the team but anything less, it's over for him

in t20 he only works if he bats in top 3 but those slots are gone 

[Prabhdeep Singh]

31 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

Have u seen his technique ...he ll be caught in gully half the time plus spinner specially who take ball away will cause him a lot of problem. 

 

To be honest technique a bit overated you are assuming he will fail based on T20/ODI observations rather than assuming he will succeed based on first class average of 51 with 19 hundreds.

 

I would not class S Smith or Virender Sehwag having great technique but they have succeeded in Test Cricket in their on way.

[Ankit_sharma03]

4 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

 

To be honest technique a bit overated you are assuming he will fail based on T20/ODI observations rather than assuming he will succeed based on first class average of 51 with 19 hundreds.

 

No im not assuming on t20 and ODI, he also played for India-A red ball so i have seen him there

 

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I would not class S Smith or Virender Sehwag having great technique but they have succeeded in Test Cricket in their on way.

 

good players of spin one was destructive and ur talking of 2 special players....pandey is clearly not.  he has neither the grit of smith or destruction of sehwag 

the sehwag ur talking was also hampered in his late stages by the angle at which his bat came down, same problem manish has

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[Prabhdeep Singh]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

No im not assuming on t20 and ODI, he also played for India-A red ball so i have seen him there

 

 

good players of spin one was destructive and ur talking of 2 special players....pandey is clearly not.  he has neither the grit of smith or destruction of sehwag 

the sehwag ur talking was also hampered in his late stages by the angle at which his bat came down, same problem manish has

 

Pandey proves his class for India A - You Tube

 

I believe he has played a grand total of 2 first class matches for India A, in 1 inning he scored 77 at Brisbane.

 

Never stated he was a great just talking about opportunities be given for Test Cricket when others have been tried like Vihari, K Nair.

[Ankit_sharma03]

18 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

 

Pandey proves his class for India A - You Tube

 

I believe he has played a grand total of 2 first class matches for India A, in 1 inning he scored 77 at Brisbane.

 

So has he piled on runs in india a white ball, what i meant was when he played for india-a these problems were evident in him and even iyer which is why they didnt go ahead as test prospect and new guys were looked. 

 

18 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Never stated he was a great just talking about opportunities be given for Test Cricket when others have been tried like Vihari, K Nair.

Vihari n nair has far better techniques . U cat give opp to everyone 

[The Realist]

Ugly player with poor technique and limited skillset in his 30s. 

 

Very little upside here.

 

 

[bowl_out]

He will still fancy his chances in ODIs, but that's about it.. He should grab all the chances he gets else will lose his spot quickly.. 

Gill and Pant are the future

[Majestic]

My ODI batting will be:-

 

Rohit

Gill( Dhawan as backup)

Kohli

KL

Pant( Iyer as backup in M.O)

Pandya

Jadeja

 

This should be top 7 with safer bets like Dhawan and Iyer as backups. Jadeja's backup can be Sundar although I am not too sure about his bowling in ODIs and late hitting also. TM will probably give it to Sundar as he has been tried in other two formats already.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, Majestic said:

My ODI batting will be:-

 

Rohit

Gill( Dhawan as backup)

Kohli

KL

Pant( Iyer as backup in M.O)

Pandya

Jadeja

 

This should be top 7 with safer bets like Dhawan and Iyer as backups. Jadeja's backup can be Sundar although I am not too sure about his bowling in ODIs and late hitting also. TM will probably give it to Sundar as he has been tried in other two formats already.

 I really hope this TM doesnt make mistake of jaddu at 7, its clear he needs time. 7 is the worst position for him. Also high time we realise the left right left right value. Current team has 2 one comes at open other at 7 so opposition can bowl continously to right handers in middle unless dhawan is set. 

 

This is what i wannq try.

 

Pant 

Rohit 

Kohli 

Jadeja 

Rahul 

Pandya 

Sundar/tewatia 

 

 

Jaddu at 4 will help opp leg spinner in check as leggies have been troubling rahul n kohli off lately . 

This right left combo messes bowlers and they will end up giving more % of loose balls which is what england thrive on due to stokes , malan, moeen ali , morgan, now curran to and even MI with de kock, kishen, krunal. This right left will make bowler make errors and it ll create more loose balls hence better RR

 

 

 

 

 

[Majestic]

48 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 I really hope this TM doesnt make mistake of jaddu at 7, its clear he needs time. 7 is the worst position for him. Also high time we realise the left right left right value. Current team has 2 one comes at open other at 7 so opposition can bowl continously to right handers in middle unless dhawan is set. 

 

This is what i wannq try.

 

Pant 

Rohit 

Kohli 

Jadeja 

Rahul 

Pandya 

Sundar/tewatia 

 

 

Jaddu at 4 will help opp leg spinner in check as leggies have been troubling rahul n kohli off lately . 

This right left combo messes bowlers and they will end up giving more % of loose balls which is what england thrive on due to stokes , malan, moeen ali , morgan, now curran to and even MI with de kock, kishen, krunal. This right left will make bowler make errors and it ll create more loose balls hence better RR

 

 

 

 

 

Jadeja did well at no 7 in the recent Australia series in ODIs. Don't go with overall stats at no.7 as in past, he wasn't a good enough batsman for that position. He has become a good batsman post Manjarekar fiasco and his hitting ability has improved too. With Pant and Pandya at 5 & 6, I don't think there is much to worry about hitting ability. Jadeja can still be lethal if we are five down and need 90 runs off 80 balls. He is a clutch player.

 

I feel the changes you are suggesting is a bit too much and doubt Indian management would make that many. Also, KL Rahul is naturally an opener. No.5 was always a temporary fix for him. That record at no.5 would have been even better had he opened the batting because he is going through a purple patch.

 

As far as left handers are concerned, it won't be easy to drop Dhawan also in his best format which is ODIs. In T20s, he can and should be dropped because his career record isn't good in that format. But hard to drop him in ODIs.

[Ankit_sharma03]

8 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Jadeja did well at no 7 in the recent Australia series in ODIs.

 

Check what over he came in 

 

 

Already made a thread with his good innings showing all time he came in with 15-20 overs left

 

8 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

Don't go with overall stats at no.7 as in past, he wasn't a good enough batsman for that position. He has become a good batsman post Manjarekar fiasco and his hitting ability has improved too. With Pant and Pandya at 5 & 6, I don't think there is much to worry about hitting ability. Jadeja can still be lethal if we are five down and need 90 runs off 80 balls. He is a clutch player.

 

nothing to do with manju, he has improved but he needs time to get in unlike pandya 

 

8 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I feel the changes you are suggesting is a bit too much and doubt Indian management would make that many. Also, KL Rahul is naturally an opener. No.5 was always a temporary fix for him. That record at no.5 would have been even better had he opened the batting because he is going through a purple patch.

 

KL has been outstanding at 5, ppl forget he has a 100 at 4 in a t20 game and runs at 4 in IPL also

HE can open but he bats like rahane. He is perfect in middle 

 

 

 

[nevada]

Pandey is a gun fielder, a decent but not great ODI option. He is a peripheral player who will get picked time to time due to above mentioned factors. He never had a career which actually took off, so it isn't even worthwhile discussing the end of it.