Spin friendly pitches: India's nemesis

[Serpico]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Never ever compromise our spin advantage. Never. We will always be a spin friendly cricketing nation. Only problem for other teams now is India's ability to produce world class fast bowlers as well. 

They could have prepared a spin friendly track without it turning into dust Bowl on day 1. There's no need to go this extreme

[kohli]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Stats show a vastly different picture in the last 4 years

 

In tests in India ....

 

3 best averages are by our pacers 

 

144 wickets by pacers vs 169 wickets by spinners.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin2=10;qualval2=wickets;spanmax1=15+Feb+2021;spanmin1=01+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

Can you remove afg , Bangladesh & South Africa and check .

[mishra]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

 

Stats show a vastly different picture in the last 4 years

 

In tests in India ....

 

3 best averages are by our pacers 

 

144 wickets by pacers vs 169 wickets by spinners.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;orderby=bowling_average;qualmin2=10;qualval2=wickets;spanmax1=15+Feb+2021;spanmin1=01+Jan+2017;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

 

That’s absolutely amazing. But if you see overs column, you will see massive amount of hard work done by our spinners which keeps our pacers fresh. It also reflects that in matches, they are our main weapon, Not because they are better than our pacers, but because opponents are better at negotiating against the pacers compared to our own batsmen.

 

We must not forget that cricket ball we use is different then what we are given in overseas. I am not a expert but based on experience all i can say is a new SG ball seams and swings a lot more compared to kookabura or dukes atleast in English conditions.  Its bloody unplayable but as soon as shine is gone which happens very quickly it becomes useless. And imo, that ball itself is what brings advantage to Indian spinners vis a vis foreign spinners 

Edited February 16, 2021 by mishra

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, mishra said:

That’s absolutely amazing. But if you see overs column, you will see massive amount of hard work done by our spinners which keeps our pacers fresh. It also reflects that in matches, they are our main weapon, Not because they are better than our pacers, but because opponents are better at negotiating against the pacers compared to our own batsmen.

 

We must not forget that cricket ball we use is different then what we are given in overseas. I am not a expert but based on experience all i can say is a new SG ball seams and swings a lot more compared to kookabura or dukes atleast in English conditions.  Its bloody unplayable but as soon as shine is gone which happens very quickly it becomes useless. And imo, that ball itself is what brings advantage to Indian spinners vis a vis foreign spinners 

 

 

The SG ball starts reversing after 15 overs if maintained properly. This time saliva usage is not allowed. When things become normal, pacers will become even better in India, when they can shine one side of the older ball using saliva.

[Jay]

5 hours ago, mishra said:

That’s absolutely amazing. But if you see overs column, you will see massive amount of hard work done by our spinners which keeps our pacers fresh. It also reflects that in matches, they are our main weapon, Not because they are better than our pacers, but because opponents are better at negotiating against the pacers compared to our own batsmen.

 

We must not forget that cricket ball we use is different then what we are given in overseas. I am not a expert but based on experience all i can say is a new SG ball seams and swings a lot more compared to kookabura or dukes atleast in English conditions.  Its bloody unplayable but as soon as shine is gone which happens very quickly it becomes useless. And imo, that ball itself is what brings advantage to Indian spinners vis a vis foreign spinners 

Our pace bowlers are the best in the world. Full strength pace attack is the best in the world. Our spin attack is the best in the world. Our second string spin attack is also up there. Period.

[Number]

Will Ahmedabad prove to be another sinkhole for us ?

From last 4 innings we can safely say our batsmen are just not good enough to last on a spin friendly track.

[New guy]

Just goes to show, if we had lost toss in last match, we would have lost the match

[Trichromatic]

13 minutes ago, Number said:

Will Ahmedabad prove to be another sinkhole for us ?

From last 4 innings we can safely say our batsmen are just not good enough to last on a spin friendly track.

 

Good enough as in what's expected here? They scored 500 runs in last match. I doubt any line up would have scored more than that.

[express bowling]

Creating a rank turner basically turns the match into a lottery.

 

I want pitches where high quality spinners like Ashwin and Jaddu will get wickets. And top class reverse swing bowlers like Shami will succeed.

 

Root taking 3 wickets for 0 runs means the pitch is not good for us.

[New guy]

4 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Good enough as in what's expected here? They scored 500 runs in last match. I doubt any line up would have scored more than that.

I am pretty sure if we had batted second, we would have collapsed under pressure and lost. Even if England had scored only 220 first innings (BTW, we scored 615 runs last match)

Edited February 25, 2021 by New guy

[Number]

13 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Good enough as in what's expected here? They scored 500 runs in last match. I doubt any line up would have scored more 

 At least 250-300 is expected on this pitch. Here we are finding it difficult to cross 150, and it would have been same story in the last match both innings if Ashwin and Rohit had gone cheaply.

[Clarke]

This pitch is definitely worse than Chennai 2nd test, shouldn't take it this far.

 

For what its worth, we could have been just as bad on a sporting wicket under lights with this Eng bowling.

[kepler37b]

I wonder what is the playbook for pitch curators in India. Do they have formal training at all? Or the qualification is being connected to someone?

[Rightarmfast]

Is there a possibility that this pitch will be called out? So many wickets in just 2 days, and only by spinners?

[Clarke]

Here's what to expect when we tour Eng

 

[Rightarmfast]

15 hours ago, Clarke said:

Here's what to expect when we tour Eng

 

I wont mind, With our pace attack, they will be struggling to score more than 25 runs.

[Jay]

18 hours ago, Clarke said:

Here's what to expect when we tour Eng

 

Lol they would be stupid to do that vs our pace attack. Even Thakur will become dangerous there. So imagine what Siraj bumrah and Ishant can do. 

[Lone Wolf]

21 minutes ago, Jay said:

Lol they would be stupid to do that vs our pace attack. Even Thakur will become dangerous there. So imagine what Siraj bumrah and Ishant can do. 

Problem is our batters.. Bowlers will do the job.  Our guys have serious lack of skill when it comes to batting on soft wickets. 

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Our guys have serious lack of skill when it comes to batting on soft wickets. 

Every batter struggles on them, just like our batters struggle on "bunsens" like this one. Last tour one major issue was lower order batting, when the ball is old in Eng/NZ it's the easiest time to bat - but we had no one doing that, except Pant in the very last innings & Jadeja in the last test. I'm not sure Eng will go the same way considering they also have an Ashes to regain - so if their batters don't score any runs they'll likely be routed 4/5 - nil down under! Having said that I'd still like to stack the lower order batting with the likes of Pant, Jadeja, Thakur &/or BK. As much as were can praise the bowlers for doing well last time they were *ing god awful with the bat 

 

We absolutely need lower order hitting, as well as good proper team selections - unlike picking two spinners on a green deck at Lord's under the lights 

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Every batter struggles on them, just like our batters struggle on "bunsens" like this one. Last tour one major issue was lower order batting, when the ball is old in Eng/NZ it's the easiest time to bat - but we had no one doing that, except Pant in the very last innings & Jadeja in the last test. I'm not sure Eng will go the same way considering they also have an Ashes to regain - so if their batters don't score any runs they'll likely be routed 4/5 - nil down under! Having said that I'd still like to stack the lower order batting with the likes of Pant, Jadeja, Thakur &/or BK. As much as were can praise the bowlers for doing well last time they were *ing god awful with the bat 

 

We absolutely need lower order hitting, as well as good proper team selections - unlike picking two spinners on a green deck at Lord's under the lights 

Indeed Lower order batting matters in England..  It's very tough for Top 4-5 to last long.  Ishant is probably our best new ball bowler with dukes along with Bumrah.  Shami is waste of a spot there as he bowls back of a length most of the time..  I want to see Siraj over Shardul though but I get that Shardul brings more firepower in the Tail. 

 

Hopefully our guys get a good look of Jamieson in IPl & thrash him so badly so that it shatters his confidence badly...  Before WTC final.  If we do end up winning the final I reckon we will have a great shot of beating England.