Handling of Covid by Central and State Govt

[sandeep]

15 minutes ago, ash said:

Again with the comparison. There is no global vaccine shortage. US has moved their vaccination date ahead by 2 weeks, UK is on track. EU is procuring vaccines , not manufacturing them hence the delay. We have SII , already exported 6 crore vaccines to other countries. Are we leveraging it properly? Should I share the link to SII CEO's interview link where he says he is waiting for a grant to ramp up production? Spin it all you want, the govt basically assumed that second wave won't happen.

 

Policy protocols are required but if they don't work, there is no harm in changing it instead of clinging to bureaucracy. Vaccine wastage is real, people are not rushing to vaccinate themselves. If the vaccines are easily available and there is no rush, where would "widespread fraud" occur? 

 

Problem is you should either use common sense or trust facts. Seems you don't do both

 

 

govt should press the button and make 1 billion vaccines for Indians instantly, and also fulfill the contractual obligations that helped obtain manufacturing in the first place.  Its all gormint fault.   

 

This morning, my bowel movement wasn't the smoothest it could be - damn u gormint!! 

 

 

You are relatively new to this forum, else you would know that I am one of the most vocal critics of the BJP and Modi govt around here.  But criticism without basis is propaganda.  

Edited April 8, 2021 by sandeep

[Clarke]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

Sitting in Dharavi, dreaming of ferrari ki sawari.  

 

I have seen this representation wherein their state is Switzerland and entire north (non-south) is greater Somalia dragging them down. This thread just seems an extension of that idea in an indirect manner.

[kepler37b]

We are ignoring the elephant in the room.

 

Our indisciplined citizens who are worlds best at flouting rules that are made for greater good of society.

 

 

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

We are ignoring the elephant in the room.

 

Our indisciplined citizens who are worlds best at flouting rules that are made for greater good of society.

 

 

 

 

OP was trying to be "oversmart" in deflecting blame to "central govt" while trying to camouflage his propaganda driven agenda.  What's sad is there are lot of takers for this kind of nonsense. The human brain is instinctively tribal, and likes to fool itself by blaming "others".  Its a neurochemical thing.  Requires reasonably educated intellect to overcome those hard-wired reptilian biases.  Not all allow their brain to function properly, especially when the 'low' road is so easy and enticing. 

 

[coffee_rules]

Just two months back, 35000 cr investment was unnecessary for the same junta. Golden tweet

 

[rkt.india]

Govt needs to approve Johnson and Johnson vaccine quickly. It's a one shot vaccine and Bio E already has the license to manufacture it. Planning to manufacture 300 mn doses.

[rkt.india]

Dr. Reddy's laboratories ready to manufacture Sputnik but govt is sitting on the approval.

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Dr. Reddy's laboratories ready to manufacture Sputnik but govt is sitting on the approval.

 

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Govt needs to approve Johnson and Johnson vaccine quickly. It's a one shot vaccine and Bio E already has the license to manufacture it. Planning to manufacture 300 mn doses.

 

Are any of these tested in India & results available ? Obviously the govt would want to roll out more vaccines but they will also be held answerable if things go mildly wrong.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Clarke said:

 

 

Are any of these tested in India & results available ? Obviously the govt would want to roll out more vaccines but they will also be held answerable if things go mildly wrong.

J&J is approved by USFDA. Why do you want trials in India? Vaccines are already being administered in US. Russia using Sputnik.

[ash]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

more fake news and disinfo.  

Huh. What fake news? 

[coffee_rules]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Govt needs to approve Johnson and Johnson vaccine quickly. It's a one shot vaccine and Bio E already has the license to manufacture it. Planning to manufacture 300 mn doses.

These companies want approval from SEC without any local bridging studies or trials. India can’t approve based on FDA or EU trials

 

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Similarly, Pfizer chose to withdraw its application for emergency after the SEC asked for detailed data and studies. The government has indicated often that a local, bridging study will be required for any vaccine maker to be considered for approval in the country.

This will be a policy hurdle that Johnson & Johnson’s pharmaceutical company, Janssen, will also need to clear for its single-dose vaccine. Janssen has tied-up with India’s Biological E for producing 600 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine. At the moment, Janssen has not applied for emergency approval in India.”

 

https://qz.com/india/1977748/why-did-india-approve-covaxin-covishield-not-pfizer-sputnik-v/

[ash]

40 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

 

OP was trying to be "oversmart" in deflecting blame to "central govt" while trying to camouflage his propaganda driven agenda.  What's sad is there are lot of takers for this kind of nonsense. The human brain is instinctively tribal, and likes to fool itself by blaming "others".  Its a neurochemical thing.  Requires reasonably educated intellect to overcome those hard-wired reptilian biases.  Not all allow their brain to function properly, especially when the 'low' road is so easy and enticing. 

 

Neurochemical , educated intellect.. fancy words for someone who can't even Google and understand what Vaccine wastage is  I have not seen one fact based refuttal from you till now, your argument is mostly gas. Have seen many like you, moving up in life using your mouth instead of brain.

 

P.S - you also need to understand how to use double quotes in a sentence. Educated intellect eh?

 

 

Edited April 8, 2021 by ash

[sandeep]

8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

These companies want approval from SEC without any local bridging studies or trials. India can’t approve based on FDA or EU trials

 

”

Similarly, Pfizer chose to withdraw its application for emergency after the SEC asked for detailed data and studies. The government has indicated often that a local, bridging study will be required for any vaccine maker to be considered for approval in the country.

This will be a policy hurdle that Johnson & Johnson’s pharmaceutical company, Janssen, will also need to clear for its single-dose vaccine. Janssen has tied-up with India’s Biological E for producing 600 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine. At the moment, Janssen has not applied for emergency approval in India.”

 

https://qz.com/india/1977748/why-did-india-approve-covaxin-covishield-not-pfizer-sputnik-v/

Maybe there's an argument to be made that GoI should expedite approval for some of these, I can accept that. But to make outlandish demands for "mRNA" is foolish.  

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Maybe there's an argument to be made that GoI should expedite approval for some of these, I can accept that. But to make outlandish demands for "mRNA" is foolish.  

Yes agree some cos had not applied for approval, Govt should voluntarily go pursue makers to make them do local studies and trials. Esp when suddenly there is a surge and plans have to be changed. The volume of business is humongous for India. We went from don’t-trust-vaccine to shortage-of-vaccine in a span of 15 days

 

 

[ash]

11 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Maybe there's an argument to be made that GoI should expedite approval for some of these, I can accept that. But to make outlandish demands for "mRNA" is foolish.  

Lol. That is what I was asking from the start. What are the backup plans? 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-s-mrna-vaccine-candidate-advances-to-human-trial-phase/story-euXWYNfRxfLKT84B7ntmjL_amp.html

[BacktoCricaddict]

So, what is the problem with Covaxin?  From a clinical trial standpoint, they didn't do anything different than Moderna or Pfizer in getting EUA before Phase III was completed.  It has shown 81% efficacy in trials and in-vitro (lab) effectiveness against variants.  Are there any "Phase IV" (post-deployment) data that indicate a problem?  Or are they just not able to ramp up production?  

 

Just because case counts are going up after vaccines were deployed doesn't mean vaccines are ineffective.  Are enough people being given the vaccine swiftly?  Are they keeping track of vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations and get good post-deployment data?

 

As we in science like to say "Vaccines don't control infectious diseases, vaccinations do."  

[coffee_rules]

^^ production, distribution and supply chain issue

[coffee_rules]

US is not issue free. People who registered back in Jan, got only end of March. With 3 or 4 options in April, only a few essential workers are getting on priority. I got in because of working for a defence manufacturing co. Most pharmacies have ran out of stock, only FEMA is able to distribute now

[Mariyam]

29 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes agree some cos had not applied for approval, Govt should voluntarily go pursue makers to make them do local studies and trials. Esp when suddenly there is a surge and plans have to be changed. The volume of business is humongous for India. We went from don’t-trust-vaccine to shortage-of-vaccine in a span of 15 days

 

 

From what I follow, GoI is holding on the approval because of

1) Inadequate testing and Dr Reddy's haven't yet given a detailed report to the SEC.

2) The vaccine needs to be stored at ~ -15C as an injection and 5C as a dried injection. The states need to ramp up disbursement infrastructure. Its a move not many state governments are willing to make, given that post this drive that cold storage space wouldn't find much use.

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

From what I follow, GoI is holding on the approval because of

1) Inadequate testing and Dr Reddy's haven't yet given a detailed report to the SEC.

2) The vaccine needs to be stored at ~ -15C as an injection and 5C as a dried injection. The states need to ramp up disbursement infrastructure. Its a move not many state governments are willing to make, given that post this drive that cold storage space wouldn't find much use.

of which vaccines? MRNA based vaccines have that problem. Not for J&J