gattaca Posted June 14, 2021 Posted June 14, 2021 Still dont understand why the docs dont suggest to use blood thinner if the patient health checks out.
Jimmy Cliff Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 17 hours ago, urbestfriend said: Indeed..In India noone is keeping track of vaccination related clots and it is treated as just another illness. One example Pretty good article on the pathetic state of AEFI reporting in India. BacktoCricaddict 1
coffee_rules Posted June 15, 2021 Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, urbestfriend said: Indeed..In India noone is keeping track of vaccination related clots and it is treated as just another illness. One example Center confirms first case of death due to vaccination. https://www.deccanherald.com/national/centre-confirms-first-death-following-covid-19-vaccination-997702.html Quote "It is the first death linked to Covid-19 vaccination due to anaphylaxis. It re-emphasises the need to wait for 30 minutes at the inoculation centre after receiving the jab. Most of the anaphylactic reactions occur during this period and prompt treatment prevents deaths,” Dr NK Arora, chairperson, National AEFI committee, told PTI. Edited June 15, 2021 by coffee_rules BacktoCricaddict 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 7 reasons why we should not need Covid vaccine boosters https://leaps.org/booster-shot/reason-4-t-cell-immunity-following-vaccinations-for-other-infections-is-long-lasting REASON #7: Coronaviruses Don't Mutate Quickly Like Influenza, Which Requires Annual Booster Shots Coronaviruses are RNA viruses, like influenza and HIV (which is actually a retrovirus), but do not mutate as quickly as either one. The reason that coronaviruses don't mutate very rapidly is that their replicating mechanism (polymerase) has a strong proofreading mechanism: If the virus mutates, it usually goes back and self-corrects. Mutations can arise with high rates of replication when transmission is very frequent -- as has been seen in recent months with the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 variants during surges. However, the COVID-19 virus will not be mutating like this when we tamp down transmission with mass vaccination. In conclusion, I and many of my infectious disease colleagues expect the immunity from natural infection or vaccination to COVID-19 to be durable. Let's put discussion of boosters aside and work hard on global vaccine equity and distribution since
rkt.india Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jimmy Cliff said: Covaxin is going to be most successful against most variants. Don't think MRNA will do well against variants.
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) Israeli health officials are optimistic that even if the variant does spread, evidence from countries such as the U.K. indicate the vaccine will prevent a large increase in severe illness and hospitalizations that plagued the country’s health system in previous outbreaks. Israel has only recorded five severe cases in the past 10 days, Prof. Balicer said, but whether more will emerge is too early to tell. --------------------- Better outcomes if you are vaccinated and there is a breakthrough, compared to if you are unvaccinated. Edited June 26, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Covaxin is going to be most successful against most variants. Don't think MRNA will do well against variants. Based on what evidence?
Real McCoy Posted June 26, 2021 Author Posted June 26, 2021 India was fine before the vaccine. We should call this a vaccine outbreak not a virus outbreak. Its a vaccine induced pandemic
rkt.india Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Based on what evidence? Not evidence but logic. A whole inactivated virion vaccine is more likely to give antibody reaction to different variants than mrna or just spike protein Vaccines like covishield/AstraZeneca IMO.
rkt.india Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Based on what evidence? Not evidence but logic. A whole inactivated virion vaccine is more likely to give antibody reaction to different variants than mrna or just spike protein Vaccines like covishield/AstraZeneca IMO.
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Not evidence but logic. A whole inactivated virion vaccine is more likely to give antibody reaction to different variants than mrna or just spike protein Vaccines like covishield/AstraZeneca IMO. Somewhat reasonable hypothesis. On the flipside, (1) the mRNA vaccines are made to code for the full-length spike protein, including conserved sequences (regions that do not vary among variants). The multiple epitopes represented by these conserved regions will elicit multiple antibodies and broad protection. (2) when a variant appears, a new mRNA sequence to neutralize it can be made very quickly and included in new batches seamlessly. Edited June 26, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict
BacktoCricaddict Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 ^^ Having said all that, here's an interesting article that supports @rkt.india's viewpoint. Old, slow technology may give us the best overall long-term weapon: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/ The mRNA Vaccines Are Extraordinary, but Novavax Is Even Better Persistent hype around mRNA vaccine technology is now distracting us from other ways to end the pandemic.
Number Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Real McCoy said: India was fine before the vaccine. We should call this a vaccine outbreak not a virus outbreak. Its a vaccine induced pandemic I do feel keeping fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, unvaccinated and infected the close proximity to each other is not wise.
ash Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Real McCoy said: India was fine before the vaccine. We should call this a vaccine outbreak not a virus outbreak. Its a vaccine induced pandemic FFS pls remove these kind of antivax post and ban the user Jimmy Cliff 1
Real McCoy Posted June 26, 2021 Author Posted June 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, ash said: FFS pls remove these kind of antivax post and ban the user cancel culture much. what if i don't like your post. can I ask the mods to ban you as well. pathetic
ash Posted June 27, 2021 Posted June 27, 2021 9 hours ago, Real McCoy said: cancel culture much. what if i don't like your post. can I ask the mods to ban you as well. pathetic Having different political ideology is okay, but if you spout nonsense like vaccines are driving the covid wave without proof then you are endangering other lives. EnterTheVoid 1
diga Posted June 27, 2021 Posted June 27, 2021 Another Elizabeth Warren moment... For @Jimmy Cliff & @Real McCoy coffee_rules and Jimmy Cliff 1 1
Real McCoy Posted June 27, 2021 Author Posted June 27, 2021 7 hours ago, ash said: Having different political ideology is okay, but if you spout nonsense like vaccines are driving the covid wave without proof then you are endangering other lives. @Jimmy Cliff please give this noob an intro about WEF, event 201 and Bill Gates
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