coffee_rules Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/delhi-woman-62-sexually-assaulted-stabbed-20-times-dies-police-2463890?pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories&_gl=1*1hd4gqd*_ga*UFQ2bTVHSTRqV3ozaHlFTjl0djd4WWpEMVFtYWxMRGFsbEpXMEJPQnVrVjZ2WVdSaUQ5SEtKODRua2tVcUVCNA.. In the news today. A 62 year old dies after being stabbed 20 times and sexually assaulted. And some idiots want to "expose" what's going on in Turkey. No wonder no one takes them seriously Charity begins at home. Ok, open a discussion thread about it. This is not a comparison thread to compare women safety in different countries. It is about the specific law in Turkey. raki05, zen, Swag and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kepler37b Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 14 hours ago, Vilander said: Turkey's main opposition called the move an effort to relegate "women to second class citizens," Wow, this is a problem in all conservative Islamic countries. So Turkey is now becoming fully Conservative, not a good sign. In my personal opinion, being conservative and being barbaric are two different things. This is plain barbaric. Mariyam and Vilander 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: https://www.ndtv.com/delhi-news/delhi-woman-62-sexually-assaulted-stabbed-20-times-dies-police-2463890?pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories&_gl=1*1hd4gqd*_ga*UFQ2bTVHSTRqV3ozaHlFTjl0djd4WWpEMVFtYWxMRGFsbEpXMEJPQnVrVjZ2WVdSaUQ5SEtKODRua2tVcUVCNA.. In the news today. A 62 year old dies after being stabbed 20 times and sexually assaulted. And some idiots want to "expose" what's going on in Turkey. No wonder no one takes them seriously Charity begins at home. Bro, I hope you realise that both of these 2 cases have entirely different dimensions. Indian case (which your quoted above) is an "individual" crime. Whole Indian society already unanimously agree upon it that it is a crime. But the case in Turkey is about "collective" level, where millions of women are going to be severely effected by it. And it has the potential to be exported to other Muslims countries too. This is the beginning of radicalisation of secular society of Turkey. We have the "ability" to condemn the violence against women in our countries, and as well as in other countries too. Why then to limit us only to our home only? Vilander, coffee_rules, zen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) A short documentary on the threats that women faced even when Turkey was in the Istanbul convention. I watched the first 10 mins and will finish it later (it may have some disturbing content): https://youtu.be/EhTQ46XOQEk Edited June 15, 2021 by zen Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: No amount of mumbo jumbo or verbal gymnastics from you is going to convince me the safety of women anywhere else in the world should come before the safety of women in India. You don't seem capable of understanding. No worries, you've exposed your stupidity time and time again. We get it. Made my position clear. If your stupidity gets in the way of your comprehension, your problem dude you are getting angry calling people names here.. no one cares. i get it you dont like this topic. get out of the thread. folks who want to discuss this would continue. lol relax 11 hours ago, EnterTheVoid said: Look whose preaching. really thats your comeback.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 53 minutes ago, zen said: A short documentary on the threats that women faced even when Turkey was in the Istanbul convention. I watched the first 10 mins and will finish it later (it may have some disturbing content): https://youtu.be/EhTQ46XOQEk i saw this, wonder what going on there. some powerful elements behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Alam_dar said: This is the beginning of radicalisation of secular society of Turkey. turks if radicalized can be a problem in a whole different level. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 this is far deeper its not just rights of women. State overreach Judiciary and lawyers A disciplinary investigation initiated by the Council of Judges and Prosecutors against the three judges who on 18 February acquitted the Gezi trial defendants, including civil society leader Osman Kavala, was ongoing at the end of the year. The investigation followed the President’s public criticism of the acquittal decision. In July, Parliament passed a law changing the structure of bar associations. Thousands of lawyers protested and 78 out of 80 bar associations signed a statement opposing the reform. The new law weakens the associations’ authority and independence. Criminal investigations targeting lawyers for representing clients accused of “terrorism-related offences” continued. In September, police detained 47 lawyers on suspicion of “membership of a terrorist organization”, based solely on their work. At least 15 lawyers were remanded in pre-trial detention. Also in September, the Court of Cassation upheld the prison sentences of 14 lawyers from the Progressive Lawyers Association, prosecuted under terrorism-related legislation. Repression of dissent Criminal investigations and prosecutions under anti-terrorism laws and punitive pre-trial detention continued to be used, in the absence of evidence of criminal wrongdoing, to silence dissent. Under the guise of combating “fake news”, “incitement” or “spreading fear and panic”, the authorities used criminal law to target those discussing the COVID-19 pandemic online. The Cyber Crimes Unit of the Interior Ministry alleged that 1,105 social media users had made “propaganda for a terrorist organization”, including by “sharing provocative COVID-19 posts” between 11 March and 21 May; reportedly 510 were detained for questioning. In October, the President targeted the Turkish Medical Association (TTB) and called its new chair “a terrorist” after the TTB repeatedly criticized the government’s response to COVID-19. Rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTI) people In April, a senior state official at the Religious Affairs Directorate (Diyanet) blamed homosexuality and people in extra-marital relationships for the spread of HIV/AIDS. He urged followers to combat this “evil” in a Friday sermon focusing on the COVID-19 pandemic, a call supported by the President. Bar associations criticizing the statements faced criminal investigation under Article 216/3 of the Penal Code that criminalizes “insulting religious values”. https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/ mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 On 6/13/2021 at 11:11 PM, zen said: Link Turkey withdraws from Istanbul convention, which was created to protect women from violence in Turkey. The reason being Erdogan sees the convention as an western influence. I saw a video where a husband threatened to kill his wife. If he kills his wife, the sentence is only 3 yrs so he said that he will be back in 3 years. Women in Turkey have begun to take martial arts lessons. So , just 3 years for murder of wife and then that is too much. It reminds me Borat where he puts his cattle ahead of his wife when it came to social status in khazakhstan. I thought it was OTT joke. Now I understand what he meant. Vilander and raki05 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) On 6/13/2021 at 11:11 PM, zen said: Edited June 15, 2021 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, mishra said: So , just 3 years for murder of wife and then that is too much. It reminds me Borat where he puts his cattle ahead of his wife when it came to social status in khazakhstan. I thought it was OTT joke. Now I understand what he meant. That is what I heard on a video where the wife recorded her husband's call ... The thing to note is that if it is 3 years for murdering your wife, one could practically get away with other crimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, mishra said: So , just 3 years for murder of wife and then that is too much. It reminds me Borat where he puts his cattle ahead of his wife when it came to social status in khazakhstan. I thought it was OTT joke. Now I understand what he meant. 2 hours ago, zen said: That is what I heard on a video where the wife recorded her husband's call ... The thing to note is that if it is 3 years for murdering your wife, one could practically get away with other crimes basically misogynist society they want to exploit women so are trying to subjugate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranvir Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Turks are trying to undo all the good things Ataturk did for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 An old video but shows the mindset of Erdogan: Appears as if a large part of the society in Turkey shivers at the thought of modern women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-formally-quits-treaty-prevent-violence-against-women-2021-07-01/ Erdogan defends withdrawal “But many conservatives in Turkey and in Erdogan's Islamist-rooted AK Party say the pact undermines the family structures that protect society. Some also see the Convention as promoting homosexuality through its principle of non-discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation. Ditching the pact "will not lead to any legal or practical shortcoming in the prevention of violence against women," Erdogan's office said Tuesday to the administrative court that rejected the appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 US adds Pakistan, Turkey to list of countries implicated in use of child soldiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zen Posted July 6, 2021 Author Share Posted July 6, 2021 On 7/2/2021 at 10:31 AM, Gollum said: US adds Pakistan, Turkey to list of countries implicated in use of child soldiers Difficult to keep buddie Turkey and Pakistan out of negative lists Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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