Extreme limits of extra-ordinary underachievers and overachievers - how a 5 mil population country where cricket is the 3rd or 4th popular sport keeps shafting us in every major tournament

[Vilander]

39 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said:

 

That fella is in the class of Indians who have developed a superiority complex after emigrating from the Matrabhoomi.

 

You never forget your roots, doesn't matter what you later go on to become.

Actual guys who make it in the west know the glass cieling and will never disrespect their roots. 

[Vilander]

18 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

No way. 

 

Diversity has happened because of Australia's strength.   And too much diversity will kill it. 

 

India became diverse because of it's unmatched wealth before the middle ages.  Now that diversity is dragging it down.

India always had 15 to 20 pc of world population because of arable land resource almost 2 to 4 times larger than top 5 largest nations and 2 annual harvests. That's puts it equal to Europe or sub saharan Africa in terms of food production only challenge is land based and mineral resource which obviously is scarce when compared to bigger nations , as industrialization exploited more and more resources India became super poor and its strength with large population became a weakness in Western indicators. Aus Canada etc are simply mineral rich vacant lands with 25 35 mil people it's not a comparison with the sea of humanity that India has supported for aeons. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Vilander

[SujitPrakash]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Bro I am from Australia. I never forget my roots. Believe me, Aussies are total dumb * bogan retards. Most of them anyway. One thing I will give them credit for is their ability to be independent from a young age. That quality is appreciated. 

 

Overall they are not thinkers lmao or smart. Just plain average. 

 

They are good at communicating as English is their main language. 

 

There is always few geniuses but they are rare. 

 

Well then the good thing is that Australia and Australians will never be a great country like India, and yet here you are.

[Jay]

56 minutes ago, SujitPrakash said:

 

Well then the good thing is that Australia and Australians will never be a great country like India, and yet here you are.

I appreciate both. Never Sid australia isn't great. Doesn't make India any lesser compared to Australia either. 

 

I am here not out of choice. My partner is s.africn and she is happy here. 

 

I cant complain. Life is pretty good here. Your personal experience alone doesn't define everyone's perception about india. I have nothing but good things to say about india. Everyone is different. 

[SujitPrakash]

3 minutes ago, MultiB48 said:

He is there to provide youth and fertility to australia,he is the future. The least you can do is to get along.

 

Good for him.

[SujitPrakash]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

I appreciate both. Never Sid australia isn't great. Doesn't make India any lesser compared to Australia either. 

 

I am here not out of choice. My partner is s.africn and she is happy here. 

 

I cant complain. Life is pretty good here. Your personal experience alone doesn't define everyone's perception about india. I have nothing but good things to say about india. Everyone is different. 

 

That's fair enough.

[Jay]

2 hours ago, Vilander said:

Actual guys who make it in the west know the glass cieling and will never disrespect their roots. 

Whether I make it or not, I will never ever disrespect india. Shoaib may stand at the border. I would do more than just stand there like a moron. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Jay

[Mariyam]

13 hours ago, SujitPrakash said:

 

I would argue that India's strength is its diversity, since I live in Australia so I will take Australia's example. We have people from every country on earth that call Australia home and we thrive in that diversity. 

 

Australia's strength is it's diversity, why can't India succeed? Australia's saying is "United we stand, divided we fall" why can't India stand united?

We have our moments of unity. Most revolve around cricket.

Last time I remember Indians united and rallied around a convergent point was when a second string India missing most of its regular starters defeated an Australian side at the Gabba fortress.

 

Imagine a barely cohesive group of malnourished cricketers from a country with failing institutions beating the alleged rashk e janan ( for the unlettered, it means envy of the heavens) Australia.

 

What a day!

 

We all celebrated then. Hindu and Muslim. North and South. Malnourished and famished. Barely educated and the uneducated. Your well fed athletes give us a lot of reason to unite.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Mariyam

[Mariyam]

On 6/24/2021 at 4:28 PM, LordPrabhzy said:

What I dont understand and amazed at the low iq of indians who feel they can make their decision making to buy a product based on an endorsement of a cricketer or an actor. Hero worshipping culture in India needs to stop

 

I mean why do I as a consumer need advise from Kohli to purchase a tyre or an insurance policy.. personal research and reviews gaye * marane

Your understanding of Indians/ advertisements is off the mark. Strange that you feel compelled to call all Indians as low IQ, but miss out on some really simple concepts of advertising yourself.

 

The entire point of an advert is to increase awareness. That is where your Kohlis and Dhonis come into the picture. The point of having them flash their smile when selling whatever. People know of the existence of the brands. Or is it replayed many times and reinforced into their conscience. 

 

Honestly speaking, no one really does any research before buying FMCG products. But for tyres etc, once aware of various options, the 'low IQ Indians' also do their share of research/asking around.

 

But you can only research brands that you can recall. 

[Mariyam]

I'm finding it very difficult to comprehend why the well fed, athletic, clearly well educated, well mannered uebermensch that the Aussies apparently are would find the need to resort to systemic cheating a la Sandpaper gate?  

 

 

[LordPrabhzy]

6 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Your understanding of Indians/ advertisements is off the mark. Strange that you feel compelled to call all Indians as low IQ, but miss out on some really simple concepts of advertising yourself.

 

The entire point of an advert is to increase awareness. That is where your Kohlis and Dhonis come into the picture. The point of having them flash their smile when selling whatever. People know of the existence of the brands. Or is it replayed many times and reinforced into their conscience. 

 

Honestly speaking, no one really does any research before buying FMCG products. But for tyres etc, once aware of various options, the 'low IQ Indians' also do their share of research/asking around.

 

But you can only research brands that you can recall. 

I know what concepts of advertising are:

 

using your logic why do cricketers in Eng and Aus etc don’t endorse fmcg products. Let alone sports products- I have never seen an English cricketer endorsing something on tv. Even footballers who are equivalent to Indian cricketers limit their endorsements to sports related products on TV

 

If awareness is the metric you’re talking about, an advert being on tv is awareness as people watch tv…? Having Kohli’s  or any other cricketer or actors face on it is merely driving up prices for consumers ( as I’m sure you know the cost of advertising for companies is budgeted into prices and May affect quality in the name of maintaining profits)

[Vilander]

10 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I'm finding it very difficult to comprehend why the well fed, athletic, clearly well educated, well mannered uebermensch that the Aussies apparently are would find the need to resort to systemic cheating a la Sandpaper gate?  

 

 

It lie cheat and steal playbook perhaps of their ancestors  maybe.. 

[Mariyam]

2 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

I know what concepts of advertising are:

 

using your logic why do cricketers in Eng and Aus etc don’t endorse fmcg products. Let alone sports products- I have never seen an English cricketer endorsing something on tv. Even footballers who are equivalent to Indian cricketers limit their endorsements to sports related products on TV

 

If awareness is the metric you’re talking about, an advert being on tv is awareness as people watch tv…? Having Kohli’s  or any other cricketer or actors face on it is merely driving up prices for consumers ( as I’m sure you know the cost of advertising for companies is budgeted into prices and May affect quality in the name of maintaining profits)

I don't know about Australia.

 

England have had many ads on the backs of footballers. David Beckham and his wife have appeared on adverts of various categories of products. Even on the other side of the pond. Perhaps England do not have a super star in football anymore? No one in the league of a Kohli/Beckham.

English actors have regularly appeared in adverts. Benedict Cumberbatch. Hugh Grant even at this age.  For daily use products/cars/library subscriptions etc.

 

Adverts are over some OTT platforms too. Or even YT. Not just TV.

In India, the sponsorship contracts can be different. Take for example India Cements. They have a sponsorship contract with CSK and as captain Dhoni is contractually obligated to appear in ads to do with India Cements. And this is a mainly B2B product. The average person doesn't even buy cement.

One can actually argue that the reason a MSD delayed retirement is because he would have been bound by his sponsors to play for a certain number of years to maximise 'exposure' of the brand. Kohli's ads have driven up sale of ViVO. That is all recorded data. He has a huge sway on the millenials. Makes sense for the brands to engage him.

[LordPrabhzy]

37 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I don't know about Australia.

 

England have had many ads on the backs of footballers. David Beckham and his wife have appeared on adverts of various categories of products. Even on the other side of the pond. Perhaps England do not have a super star in football anymore? No one in the league of a Kohli/Beckham.

English actors have regularly appeared in adverts. Benedict Cumberbatch. Hugh Grant even at this age.  For daily use products/cars/library subscriptions etc.

 

Adverts are over some OTT platforms too. Or even YT. Not just TV.

In India, the sponsorship contracts can be different. Take for example India Cements. They have a sponsorship contract with CSK and as captain Dhoni is contractually obligated to appear in ads to do with India Cements. And this is a mainly B2B product. The average person doesn't even buy cement.

One can actually argue that the reason a MSD delayed retirement is because he would have been bound by his sponsors to play for a certain number of years to maximise 'exposure' of the brand. Kohli's ads have driven up sale of ViVO. That is all recorded data. He has a huge sway on the millenials. Makes sense for the brands to engage him.

well that is my point- how does Kohli endorsing vivo show that it’s actually superior to any other phone model? Aesthetically ? Technically? Reliability? For all we know other brands may satisfy these   better, but if millennials are purely buying products based on who’s endorsing it then that’s the crux of my argument.. it’s down to hero worshipping as opposed to actually thinking “ do I actually need this product or how is it actually better than the alternative ”? I mean it’s all good for the capitalist markets and profit making agenda.. but that’s reinforcing my point about low iqs.

 

an example of this is the acoustic earphone brand that Kohli was endorsing, when you go on reviews of their products, it’s full of negative ones of product quality and customer support… now did Kohli endorsing it make it automatically the right product? No and people have burned their hands after purchasing it purely down to reasons of a celebrity endorsement.

Edited June 25, 2021 by LordPrabhzy

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

I'm finding it very difficult to comprehend why the well fed, athletic, clearly well educated, well mannered uebermensch that the Aussies apparently are would find the need to resort to systemic cheating a la Sandpaper gate?  

 

 

They learn from history and their ancestors Look at how Steve Waugh claimed a catch, this is akin to Rashid Latif’s catch , but who’s to say that...

Aussie commies call it the benefit of the doubt. Judge for yourself

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by coffee_rules

[SujitPrakash]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

They learn from history and their ancestors Look at how Steve Waugh claimed a catch, this is akin to Rashid Latif’s catch , but who’s to say that...

Aussie commies call it the benefit of the doubt. Judge for yourself

 

 

Love the whataboutism, what about this, what about that.

Edited June 25, 2021 by SujitPrakash

[Texan]

On 6/23/2021 at 11:52 AM, Serpico said:

money, population, passion, talent pool etc are all useless if you don't have a culture of accountability.

 

of course there are other nuances like developed post scarcity country vs poor country etc but lack of accountability is the biggest issue, I would say 

 

Man, you hit the nail on the head there. This is especially true in current age. BCCI is only concerned about how to maximize their revenue. They choose a captain and give him a free reign.

 

This was not always the case. E.g. despite winning 1983 WC, Kapil lost captaincy after 1987 WC SF loss and never got it back. Kohli has lost 3 important final/semifinals matches and there are still no questions asked about his captaincy. 

[Vilander]

17 hours ago, Mariyam said:

don't know about Australia.

 

England have had many ads

Correct no one really knows about Australia as no one *ing cares  except those that call it home. 

[Vilander]

13 hours ago, SujitPrakash said:

 

Love the whataboutism, what about this, what about that.

You are yet to make a substantial post just drivel filled with generalisation and self concept, I guess you are some career mid carder that never grew up and survives by serving those that you feel are superior to you  and have a outsized perception of your own importance when you feel you are among those inferior. Your mindset flows through in your posts, ' you know in Australia I have big car your car has only 800 cc., mine has big tyres, you know in Australia they pick up garbage from you home' type as if anyone cares or they know know the circumstances from elesewhere. Low self esteem and self worth in reality. 

[coffee_rules]

On 6/24/2021 at 6:44 PM, SujitPrakash said:

 

Don't even think any Aussies know that Australia won the WC 2015, most have forgotten about it by now.

Now, you know most Australians too? Apart from knowing most Indians , Kids from all countries!