India has the worst bowling attack in the tournament

[the don]

Afghanstan has a much stronger attack. Barring Bumrah this is a terrible bowling attack. The mystery spinner is the kind of finger spinners you find with the tennis bowl. The others are buffet bowlers. 

[Suhaan]

No doubt

[SK_IH]

Yes but tumhari bhi aukaat saamne aa jayegi toss haarne ke baad

[Vijy]

it is the worst among the test playing nations in all likelihood (in T20s)

[SK_IH]

IMO top bowling lineup in this tournament is SA, then others follow. India lacked options, look at teams like Eng/Pak/NZ/Aus/WI there are multiple bowling options which are luxury in this format. India once again pathetic as they had bowlers who didn't bat & batsmen who didn't bowl plus 2 all rounders who didn't bat or ball 

Edited October 31, 2021 by SK_IH

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

IMO top bowling lineup in this tournament is SA, then others follow. India lacked options, look at teams like Eng/Pak/NZ there are multiple bowling options which are luxury in this format. India once again pathetic as they had bowlers who didn't bat & batsmen who didn't bowl plus 2 all rounders who didn't bat or ball 

Yes, even SA and WI have 6 options at the min.

[SK_IH]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

Yes, even SA and WI have 6 options at the min.

Yes even Aus

[Vijy]

Just now, SK_IH said:

Yes even Aus

yes, I was naming SA and WI in addition to the 3 you named - Eng, NZ, Aus

 

6 is a must, and 7 is ideal. focus should be on batting ARs (V. Iyer; ??) and bowling ARs (thakur; sundar [who is batting AR in tests], ??)

[Suhaan]

12 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Yes but tumhari bhi aukaat saamne aa jayegi toss haarne ke baad

Arey itne waqt baad bhaijaan khush hua hai

[SK_IH]

Just now, Vijy said:

yes, I was naming SA and WI in addition to the 3 you named - Eng, NZ, Aus

 

6 is a must, and 7 is ideal. focus should be on batting ARs (V. Iyer; ??) and bowling ARs (thakur; sundar [who is batting AR in tests], ??)

Even Shardul, I mean he cannot be one of your strike bowlers, he is more suited to play Dwayne Pretorius type role but we are seeking Rabada type performance from him

[express bowling]

Changes in Indian cricket come about ONLY when we are performing pathetically.

 

So, we can still benefit in the future from this pathetic situation.

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

IMO top bowling lineup in this tournament is SA, then others follow. India lacked options, look at teams like Eng/Pak/NZ/Aus/WI there are multiple bowling options which are luxury in this format. India once again pathetic as they had bowlers who didn't bat & batsmen who didn't bowl plus 2 all rounders who didn't bat or ball 

Time to move on from frauds once it for all

[Indwin]

But but shardul 

28 minutes ago, the don said:

Afghanstan has a much stronger attack. Barring Bumrah this is a terrible bowling attack. The mystery spinner is the kind of finger spinners you find with the tennis bowl. The others are buffet bowlers. 

But Shardul,Bumrah and Shami are genuine express supersonic faasht bowlers

[Vijy]

Just now, SK_IH said:

Even Shardul, I mean he cannot be one of your strike bowlers, he is more suited to play Dwayne Pretorius type role but we are seeking Rabada type performance from him

Ideal T20 XI for any country is as follows IMO: Batter 1 (consolidator), Batter 2 (140+ SR), Batter 3 (floater - double up as consolidator/aggressor), Batter 4 (play spin well and score at good SR), Batter 5 (wk) [aggressive - score at 140+ SR), All-rounder 1 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace), All-rounder 2 (score at 150+ SR and bowl spin), All-rounder 3 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace/spin), Bowler 1 (wrist-spin or attacking mystery spin), Bowler 2 (out-and-out pacer  + PP specialist), and Bowler 3 (out-and-out pacer + death over specialist)

 

One of top 5 must bowl to some extent. One of Bowlers 1-3 (positions 9-11) must be capable of tonking some runs, like rashid khan or southee.

 

If we follow the template outlined above and identify correct players for correct positions, either winning or making finals of T20 WCs would be a clincher

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Changes in Indian cricket come about ONLY when we are performing pathetically.

 

So, we can still benefit in the future from this pathetic situation.

there have, however, been plenty of times when little to no changes were made. for instance, the test team in 2011 was persisted with for > 1 yr despite being god awful.

[Adi_91]

If you go with "safe" options for bowling, then safe becomes not safe enough. This is Ind bowling's story so far this tournament.

 

How can Harshal, Chahal, Bishnoi not be picked when they delivered time and again in these conditions? Beyond my understanding, This is classic wastage of in form players to win major tournaments.

[SK_IH]

Just now, Vijy said:

Ideal T20 XI for any country is as follows IMO: Batter 1 (consolidator), Batter 2 (140+ SR), Batter 3 (floater - double up as consolidator/aggressor), Batter 4 (play spin well and score at good SR), Batter 5 (wk) [aggressive - score at 140+ SR), All-rounder 1 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace), All-rounder 2 (score at 150+ SR and bowl spin), All-rounder 3 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace/spin), Bowler 1 (wrist-spin or attacking mystery spin), Bowler 2 (out-and-out pacer  + PP specialist), and Bowler 3 (out-and-out pacer + death over specialist)

 

One of top 5 must bowl to some extent. One of Bowlers 1-3 (positions 9-11) must be capable of tonking some runs, like rashid khan or southee.

 

If we follow the template outlined above and identify correct players for correct positions, either winning or making finals of T20 WCs would be a clincher

Well put there, you have defined a template but now comes the question of personnel. It's disgraceful that even after playing a decade of IPL none of our batsmen are proficient in sweeps/reverse sweeps/paddle. Today each & every batsman went in the air for slogs to hit out, no manipulation of field just slogs. 

[Pollack]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

Ideal T20 XI for any country is as follows IMO: Batter 1 (consolidator), Batter 2 (140+ SR), Batter 3 (floater - double up as consolidator/aggressor), Batter 4 (play spin well and score at good SR), Batter 5 (wk) [aggressive - score at 140+ SR), All-rounder 1 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace), All-rounder 2 (score at 150+ SR and bowl spin), All-rounder 3 (score at 150+ SR and bowl pace/spin), Bowler 1 (wrist-spin or attacking mystery spin), Bowler 2 (out-and-out pacer  + PP specialist), and Bowler 3 (out-and-out pacer + death over specialist)

 

One of top 5 must bowl to some extent. One of Bowlers 1-3 (positions 9-11) must be capable of tonking some runs, like rashid khan or southee.

 

If we follow the template outlined above and identify correct players for correct positions, either winning or making finals of T20 WCs would be a clincher

We just don't have 140+ SR batsmen who can be consistent.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, Indwin said:

But but shardul 

But Shardul,Bumrah and Shami are genuine express supersonic faasht bowlers

 

 

Whatever type of bowlers they maybe ... but they are still winning us test matches in Australia and England.

 

While your " great " pacers can't even dream of a drawn test series in Australia.

[Vijy]

Just now, Pollack said:

We just don't have 140+ SR batsmen who can be consistent.

they don't have to be super consistent. an avg of 25+ and SR of 140+ would be enough for T20. one does not need 35+ avg and 140+ SR. It's about identifying the right players and nurturing them