Why has India performed better without Hardik in the last 5-6 years?

[raki05]

Ya I am bit surprise that this mediocre cricketer get so much attention. He is not even at the level of Yusuf Pathan , irfan was altogether in different league and performe with bat and ball till the time he played. I think someone can make a fan club of Pandya's institute of fake alrounder degree to get selected in Indian team.We will start enrolling all fake alrounder from here on and give certificate, but I doubt there is anyone.

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Try_Ball said:

 

Incorrect.

If you follow NHL/NBA - you'd know better.  

In playoffs for example -  if you are so utter **** like Pandya has been then you will be benched within 2-3 bad games , I am not even talking about 2 or 3 series but 2 or 3 game and you get a night or two off.

If your goalie is not 100 % fit , even if he's 90  % fit - you're out - The next guy will take your place and you come back when you're ready.

For 2 years Pandya has been carrying injuries and not even fulfilling his role as an "all rounder" -  its a shame that someone cannot complete his role is being carried as a legacy pick

 

Let alone sports , If you are a surgeon - but your vision or hand eye co-ordination is affected - you wouldn't be doing surgeries.

If you are an air traffic controller - you need to have an assessment quite often

I'm sure in many other fields as well, if you aren't meeting your targets- you'd be expected to sit out 

 

You can't bench whole team because whole team sucks in knockouts. Our captain Kohli has 0 performance in ODI WC knockouts.

Edited November 3, 2021 by rkt.india

[Bigg Brother]

Don't know about other formats but in tests definitely His presence would have affected had we persisted with him. He was dropped in Australia series 2018-19 and team balance looked altogether different,India could play extra batsman/bowler whose place was being taken by Pandu on the ground of one 90 odd run innings against SA.. Apart from that,In LOIs/T20s,those wins in his absence are purely matter of coincidence. For Example India would not have won this wt20 even If we had peak Yurvaj(2007 wt20) if the bowlers are picking 0 wickets and openers are buying ducks. It is proven that His and Jaddu's inclusion don't balance this team, on the contrary it provides an appearance on surface that team is balanced and all the bases are covered which isn't reality..Jaddu-the fraud has been playing T20 WC since eternity and yet he isn't dropped. Same will happen with Pandya.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Bigg Brother

[Clarke]

I know this is a troll thread but even then it's not fair! There's an undisputed panauti that really stands out since he's taken over captaincy with an empty cabinet when it comes to worthwhile trophies (WC, T20 WC, WTC, CT etc)

 

 

 

[RajBan]

16 hours ago, Try_Ball said:

Hardik Pandya and his little minion Krunal Pandya have been one of the worst leeches for Indian Cricket....

The Pandya brother have literally made me miss Irfan and Yusuf pathan who weren't stellar themselves.

What boggles my mind even more is the continued obsession and persistence with Hardik despite the fact that the guy isn't bowling / isn't consistent with the bat / is injured and not fully fit - Even bigwigs like Sachin/ Ganguly/ Yuvraj were not given such a long leash and what were expected to perform than be a passenger in the team -  This makes me wonder where Indian cricket is going in the right direction?   Who is behind this blind backing for certain players ? Kohli or the TM ?  No team should be so dependent on one player to this extent of how dependent India has been on Pandya and wouldn't let go like some sort of psychotic obsession.

I don't mine putting players like Abdul Samad / Shardul Thakur/ V Iyer etc or whosoever is the next prospect but give the youngsters a chance  -  We are still searching for the next Yuvraj Singh/ Irfan Pathan -  Hardik isn't the answer -  Indian team needs to move on 

You have brought a brilliant point. The way some go gaga over Pandya,. Not sure what would have been their reaction had they seen Sachin, Saurav or Yuvaraj in their pomp. Each was standout LOI batsman of their team/era and very handy with the ball. None of them were genuine allrounders but good enough to bowl for 4-5 overs and even take wickets.

Edited November 3, 2021 by RajBan

[maniac]

1 hour ago, Clarke said:

I know this is a troll thread but even then it's not fair! There's an undisputed panauti that really stands out since he's taken over captaincy with an empty cabinet when it comes to worthwhile trophies (WC, T20 WC, WTC, CT etc)

 

 

 

shucks man. I accidentally revealed that information to you, use discretion now Cmon!

[maniac]

1 hour ago, RajBan said:

had they seen Sachin, Saurav or Yuvaraj in their pomp. Each was standout LOI batsman of their team/era and very handy with the ball. None of them were genuine allrounders but good enough to bowl for 4-5 overs and even take wickets.

@zen will educate you now on how SDP is leagues ahead of all of those names.

[zen]

19 minutes ago, maniac said:

@zen will educate you now on how SDP is leagues ahead of all of those names.

 

As a high strike middle order batsmen, SDP is in a league of his own:

 

View overall figures  Primary team India  Opposition team Australia  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies  Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 1980  Batting position between 4 and 7  Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 750  Ordered by batting strike rate (descending) Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0   HH Pandya 2016-2021 56 41 7 1189 92* 34.97 1022 116.34 0 7 3   KM Jadhav 2014-2020 61 45 16 1141 120 39.34 1106 103.16 1 5 2   N Kapil Dev 1980-1994 199 180 34 3352 87 22.95 3571 93.86 0 13 13   SK Raina 2005-2018 175 154 25 4266 106 33.06 4641 91.91 2 27 12   V Kohli 2009-2020 49 45 8 1809 139* 48.89 1986 91.08 6 9 0   MS Dhoni 2005-2019 289 248 71 8580 139* 48.47 9983 85.94 5 62 6   Yuvraj Singh 2000-2017 243 224 28 6988 150 35.65 8136 85.88 11 41 16   RA Jadeja 2009-2020 114 84 30 1636 87 30.29 1906 85.83 0 8 6   AT Rayudu 2014-2019 26 24 5 778 100 40.94 933 83.38 1 5 2   SM Patil 1980-1986 42 39 1 903 84 23.76 1108 81.49 0 7 4   RG Sharma 2007-2012 70 66 16 1716 101* 34.32 2160 79.44 1 12 6   SR Tendulkar 1989-2007 95 91 14 2563 113 33.28 3321 77.17 3 18 8   M Azharuddin 1985-2000 239 227 40 6813 111* 36.43 9014 75.58 4 43 4   RJ Shastri 1982-1992 79 67 15 1468 73* 28.23 1966 74.66 0 8 2   A Jadeja 1992-2000 128 115 25 3157 119 35.07 4274 73.86 4 14 6   R Dravid 1996-2007 161 151 24 4941 109* 38.90 6851 72.12 3 41 7   KD Karthik 2004-2019 50 41 15 810 64* 31.15 1131 71.61 0 4 2   RR Singh 1989-2001 99 86 17 1590 75 23.04 2222 71.55 0 7 5   M Kaif 2002-2006 92 80 15 1678 95* 25.81 2420 69.33 0 11 8   DB Vengsarkar 1982-1991 82 75 14 2189 95* 35.88 3161 69.25 0 16 5   VG Kambli 1991-2000 62 56 14 960 65 22.85 1413 67.94 0 4 3   Yashpal Sharma 1980-1985 37 37 8 845 89 29.13 1328 63.62 0 4 0

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by zen

[Adamant]

18 hours ago, maniac said:

Let me throw @zen a bone here. He was part of the Asia cup winning team in 2016 in the T20 format but my point still stands.

Didn't he got himself injured during that tournament? 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Adamant said:

Didn't he got himself injured during that tournament? 

that was 2018 odi format. There was a t20 asia cup in 2016 where we beat Bangladesh 

[Adamant]

Comparing strike rate of a no. 6 7  player who started his career in 2016 to 1980s 1990s and noughties player . 

 

[Adamant]

Just now, maniac said:

that was 2018 odi format. There was a t20 asia cup in 2016 where we beat Bangladesh 

Oh yes, the one which Kohli won us singlehandedly. 

[RajBan]

19 minutes ago, Adamant said:

Comparing strike rate of a no. 6 7  player who started his career in 2016 to 1980s 1990s and noughties player . 

 

Logic is ma-bahen :). And also compare the bowling line-ups of Aus, WI, Pak, SA, SL that was there in 90s that they faced  with that of present day.

Edited November 3, 2021 by RajBan

[zen]

 

 

[ash]

In Tests, yeah I was very glad that he was out for the England and Australia series. Could have completely screwed up the balance. 

[zen]

20 hours ago, zen said:

 

Everytime I see such threads on SDP including during IPL, it is usually a good sign for SDP. 

 

There have been various performance tracker threads where the OP eventually ran out of steam. 

 

zen master can tell no wrong