Hardik Pandya mega discussion thread

[swastikpanda2]

33 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

oh yeah remember that was the flattest pitch we produced this decade.  In general, pitches were flat in that series accept probably in Wankhede and Vizag IIRC.  Cant compare those conditions to this in England where even England batsman have struggled.

Ain't comparing anything. Just wanted to point that Stokes wasn't a failure in India. He even bagged the highest IPL contract for foreign player on the basis of his performance in India.

The thing is Stokes scored a ton and even took a fifer in Test series. Can say it as a decent performance but a failure? I don't think so.

 

[coffee_rules]

Replacing Pandya with a cricketer will do nothing if the top order loses within 30 mins. 

[R!TTER]

Just now, rkt.india said:

 How many Indian batsmen have scored 200 in SA and 100s at Perth? No indian batsman in history has scored 200 in SA, none of the current batsman have a 100 at Perth. 

 

Regarding penetration.  Yes Shami was better but he was still the second best bowler for us.  I watched his first 7 overs and he was beating the batsman every over.  And you cant compare an 8 test old to likes of Shami, Stokes, Woakes, etc.  Neither as a batsman nor as a bowler.  According to your criteria, Kohli would not have been playing for India right now if we look at his first 7-8 tests.

So about that 100 he scored, it wasn't a flat track? What about his 3 wickets here, was Lords a road?

 

He was bowling a good line outside off, he didn't do a bad job per se but Bumrah, Kumar or even Umesh might've done much better at that time. His runs in the end did not matter, nor did his wickets, which besides Pope were totally worthless.

 

So once again, what's the use of this A/R who can't pick up a fifer or score a 100 in any of the 10 innings he's played?

[shortbread]

The problems can be easily resolved if Pandya puts in a performance that counts! It's his 3rd test in England and let him prove his worth.

 

Rest assured Kohli will play him. If it's few docile overs again along with a 10-20 odd when batting, then there's no point in blaming others.

[rkt.india]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

So about that 100 he scored, it wasn't a flat track? What about his 3 wickets here, was Lords a road?

 

He was bowling a good line outside off, he didn't do a bad job per se but Bumrah, Kumar or even Umesh might've done much better at that time. His runs in the end did not matter, nor did his wickets, which besides Pope were totally worthless.

 

So once again, what's the use of this A/R who can't pick up a fifer or score a 100 in any of the 10 innings he's played?

yeah if Kuldeep or Ashwin had taken those wickets, they would certainly have become great bowling performances. Right? Personal biases have no end.

 

Umesh did play first test, struggled.  Yes, Bumrah and Kumar might have because they are experienced bowlers but they were not there so no use mentioning there.  There is no guarantee, even BK went for 5 rpo at Newlands on day one. Ishant was there at Lords and he did nothing in the same conditions, was going close to 5 rpo.  It is not just about wicket.  For someone like Pandya who was fast tracked, it is about getting the areas right and he was the best in that aspect among the three seamers we played.  He was the most consistent.

[Khota]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If u see their shows ,their reporters....everyones focus is just pandya.

I remeber when ganguly was with Aaj tak he scolded Vikrant gupta by telling him- ur to harsh on pandya , i knw why ....ill talk to u when i meet u 

 

What about removing batsman tag from our specialist 

 

I thought i was the one who thought like that  , till boria tweeted this n everyone noticed it and bashed him

 

 

 

Even here after a point this guy ask-

What has ur 5th bowler done in last game.....was he sleeping???? and in the end all of them want him dropped .....

 

Even if u take Videos from SA tour- it was all anti him.....they were jst waiting for him to fail post 93 and they jst wen bonkers

 

 

Now i dnt care what these bunch of jokers say, but what concerns me they have huge following n ppl who make opinon watching them and this is not good for any young cricketer . They have shamelessly promoted Kaul selection of siraj for long coz he is from north region as they all are . 

 

What is your agenda? Why do you keep on supporing him? 

Having said that at least Pandya is giving it all. Others are not.

[diga]

I would anyday select Ashwin as the allrounder and play a bowler in place of Pandya for test ckt... For white ball ckt, its important for our world cup ambitions , that Pandya be given more chances and groomed.

[R!TTER]

Just now, rkt.india said:

yeah if Kuldeep or Ashwin had taken those wickets, they would certainly have become great bowling performances. Right? Personal biases have no end.

 

Umesh did play first test, struggled.  Yes, Bumrah and Kumar might have because they are experienced bowlers but they were not there so no use mentioning there.  There is no guarantee, even BK went for 5 rpo at Newlands on day one. Ishant was there at Lords and he did nothing in the same conditions, was going close to 5 rpo.  It is not just about wicket.  For someone like Pandya who was fast tracked, it is about getting the areas right and he was the best in that aspect among the three seamers we played.  He was the most consistent.

Only if they were top order wickets, also when we were still in the game, otherwise they'd be just cheap wickets as in case of Pandya.

 

So did Shami in second innings, Ishant here at Lords. Do you drop your best pacers based on one innings in a close match? What's Pandya done to be undroppable, scored a quintuple hundred in someone's dreams?

 

No, it's all about performance, all the time. You sound like Dhoni with his process' rhetoric, Pandya needs to show exponential growth, for him to be useful to India, otherwise he needs to be kicked out.

[wanted_desi]

Because he is Crap. Ashwin scored more runs than any batsman in second match, now would you just keep him based on that or you will see if he can do his primary job?

[RAZPOR]

pandya has hardly done worse than our so called 'specialists",though i m not a big fan of his ,but we can certainly agree we have bigger problems.

[Suhaan]

Pandya needs to master one of the art.Simple, consistently,its neither that he is performing worst nor are the other specialist bats setting world on fire..when your top six are batting like number 11s ,its way rude to accept pandya deliver in every match atleast with the bat when our specialist are failing ..but it remains to be seen that pandya does well in one of the departments

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

What is your agenda? Why do you keep on supporing him? 

No agenda, i think he is a terrific cricketer n i beilve in him so i back him, even rahul ( so even if he fails whole tour ill back him

I dnt say u hve an agenda when u back dhawan n karthik from whom pandya has done better. We all have diff opinions

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Turning_track said:

Really? When did that happen? Irrespective of Pandya's performances, that dolt often keeps choicest of words for him in the studio.

their is something - even ganguly  scolded Vikrant gupta by telling him- ur to harsh on pandya , i knw why ....ill talk to u when i meet u 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

What is your agenda? Why do you keep on supporing him? 

Having said that at least Pandya is giving it all. Others are not.

 

7 hours ago, shortbread said:

There's no agenda. If one is a die-hard fan then everything will look like a conspiracy theory! To others it's shocking the guy is playing in the side.

 

Imagine if u see Stuart Binny playing in this team, he scores 10-20 runs every odd innings, a handful of docile overs, few lucky wickets.....u couldn't bear to watch it. One would think how is he even in the side?

 

It's the same feeling, only this time the guy is thinner, has 'swag' and wears jewellery. If there's a campaign to see him off the test team, I'd join in as well!

 

DO u guys read the post before saying anything , even ganguly has said this to him on live show

U think ganguly is a fool 

 

9 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

I remeber when ganguly was with Aaj tak he scolded Vikrant gupta by telling him- ur to harsh on pandya , i knw why ....ill talk to u when i meet u 

 

 

 

U think its only me but after boria n his tweets.....everyone noticed this . The only person who is being blind thats u 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 14, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Khota]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

No agenda, i think he is a terrific cricketer n i beilve in him so i back him, even rahul ( so even if he fails whole tour ill back him

I dnt say u hve an agenda when u back dhawan n karthik from whom pandya has done better. We all have diff opinions

 

 

I back both Dhawan and karthick but there is a limit. If karthick fails in test 3 he needs to sit out. Enough is enough.

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, Khota said:

I back both Dhawan and karthick but there is a limit. If karthick fails in test 3 he needs to sit out. Enough is enough.

backing cnt be so short 

Look at the way ganguly n dhoni has backed player and results

Look at the kohli kohli backs a player(pretty much ur way) and results- insecurity 

[Khota]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

backing cnt be so short 

Look at the way ganguly n dhoni has backed player and results

Look at the kohli kohli backs a player(pretty much ur way) and results- insecurity 

Backing cannot be indefinite either. Two test is the max and they are professionals and they will understand.

[Number]

Asking to drop someone who has done almost nothing is not an agenda. It can be because their experts feel we need an extra batsman. You could have termed it as agenda if Pandya had done really well and even then there were calls to drop him. 

[rkt.india]

24 minutes ago, Number said:

Asking to drop someone who has done almost nothing is not an agenda. It can be because their experts feel we need an extra batsman. You could have termed it as agenda if Pandya had done really well and even then there were calls to drop him. 

Padnya was our second best bowler at Lords, even in batting was better than most batsman.  Why not first drop Vijay, Rahane then who failed miserably in both tests.   I dont see anyone talking about as vigorously as they are talking about Pandya. what extra batsman yaar, Pandya is your extra batsman.  Just because he can bowl, people have term he isnt a batsman. He is making more runs than the main batsman.

[Number]

56 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Padnya was our second best bowler at Lords, even in batting was better than most batsman.  Why not first drop Vijay, Rahane then who failed miserably in both tests.   I dont see anyone talking about as vigorously as they are talking about Pandya. what extra batsman yaar, Pandya is your extra batsman.  Just because he can bowl, people have term he isnt a batsman. He is making more runs than the main batsman.

Vijay and Rahane have done well in the past. Can't drop them as yet but if they don't score runs there will be calls to drop them too. Like these people have been asking to drop Vijay next game. 

And seriously, whatever runs he is making are not good enough to keep him in the team as no. 6 batsman. No. 6 batsman is expected to score at least 50+ in one of the 4 innings. The argument that he is second best, third best is not going to work because the other batsmen have been utter failures and will be changed.

 I am not saying we should drop Pandya right now. But I don't see it as an agenda if someone questions his place.