Team for SA ODI’s selected

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

 

you want me to list players who sing praises of Kohli as captain?

lol Sure you can find many. But real truth is in the performance of team. Despite being blessed with amazing players RCB never looked like winning any title. Very much like how we never won under Kohli.

[vvvslaxman]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

you want me to list players who sing praises of Kohli as captain?

This is an interesting analysis on why RCB management is poor

 

https://cricblog.net/why-has-rcb-struggled-for-success-in-the-ipl/

[Lord]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

lol Sure you can find many. But real truth is in the performance of team. Despite being blessed with amazing players RCB never looked like winning any title. Very much like how we never won under Kohli.

but that doesnt stop good players from doing well if they have it in them.Gayle became a superstar at RCB only.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Lord said:

but that doesnt stop good players from doing well if they have it in them.Gayle became a superstar at RCB only.

If you are a hit you are lucky there. Any slight dip they release you. The article says precisely that. RUturaj was technically not a big hit in the 2020 season CSK with low strike rate. I would doubt RCB play him in the next season. There are examples you can find for every situation. But overall players did underperform with RCB compared to other franchises. They had all the biggest names available. Watson averaged what?  11 at a strike rate of 92 with RCB. Next season he won the IPL for CSK.

[prudent_kreeda]

This bunch of selectors need to shed conservative approach. Future Direction & vision  should guide selections . Their job is to find likely  replacements for  Old members like Rohit, VK, Dhawan, Bhuvi, Ashwin,  Plus also find cover for any young player who may get Injured before WC23.

What they should be doing is 

1. Find 2 new openers -  Hence Ruturaj & Shaw should be selected for bi lateral ODIs . This will also give you replacements who have played some 20 odd matches by then .

Status - Bad selection of Dhawan , Not selecting Shaw 

2. Find  a replacement for VK at #3 -  Gill  & SKY should be given chances . 

Status - Selection is Fine . Gill is injured  & SKY selected.  but need to give a chance to SKY . 

3. Find your best # 4 - Need to try out  Iyer , SKY ,Ruturaj.( If there is a need to push KL to opener role then Ruturaj should be tried at # 4 also ).  Also find out who is better at # 4  between Iyer & Ruturaj & Sky. My gut feeling is Gaikwad will come up trumps between Iyer & Ruturaj.

Status - Great selection  as all 3 are selected .If they do not play Ruturaj in the eleven would be bad move . 

4. Test your WK  for Pant - Ishan . 

Status - Great selection . Ishan should get chance in X1 in some matches .

5. Find an additional MO bat - Whoever is making big splash in next 1 year should be given chance  -people like Mayank, Padikkal , SKY.

Status - Great Selection , Initial test should be between Iyer & SKY  

6. Develop your Pace all rounder for Pandya - V iyer , 

Status - Great Selection . Feel V iyer will play in X1.

7. Find spin all rounder for Jaddu - W Sundar , Axar ,

Status - Selection is fine with Sundar in . Axar injured .

8. Find your leg spinner - Bishnoi, Chahar .

Status - Selection Bad - No young Leggie in squad . 

9. Find replacement for Ashwin - Chahal , any one else? 

Status -Selection is OK  as cupboard is bare .  But need to find someone apart from Chahal 

10. Find bowler with batting ability - Deepak Chahar , Thakur 

 Status - Selection is fine. Both selected .

11. Find young fast bowlers -  select Prasidh, Mavi, Avesh

 Status - Selection  only 50%  OK. Avesh should have been selected . 

12. Find replacement for Older pacer  ( Bhuvi) - 

      Status - Bad selection . Bhuvi should not get selected .

13. Develop younger pacers -  

Status - Great selections of Siraj & Prasidh. 

 

A deep analysis shows this quite a good selection except for Dhawan & Bhuvi . Once fit select Gill & Axar  Plus add Shaw,Avesh & Mavi and drop Dhawan & Bhuvi.

 

 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, nsareen said:

 

TEAM : KL Rahul (Capt), Shikhar Dhawan, Ruturaj Gaekwad, Virat Kohli, Surya Kumar Yadav, Shreyas Iyer, Venkatesh Iyer, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ishan Kishan (wk), Y Chahal, R Ashwin, W Sundar, J Bumrah (VC), Bhuvneshwar Kumar,Deepak Chahar, Prasidh Krishna, Shardul Thakur, Mohd. Siraj

 

 

 

 

 

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Absence of shaw is disappointing. similarly, younger spinners (e.g., bishnoi) should have been given a chance as well.

[prudent_kreeda]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If you are a hit you are lucky there. Any slight dip they release you. The article says precisely that. RUturaj was technically not a big hit in the 2020 season CSK with low strike rate. I would doubt RCB play him in the next season. There are examples you can find for every situation. But overall players did underperform with RCB compared to other franchises. They had all the biggest names available. Watson averaged what?  11 at a strike rate of 92 with RCB. Next season he won the IPL for CSK.

One needs to have an eye for talent, judge at which position he suits best and then give him confidence & chances . CSK has a great back room TM & a very good captain in MSD.

Can you expect the same from Kohli ? 

Hence no one shines at RCB unless he is a global star..

[Lord]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

If you are a hit you are lucky there. Any slight dip they release you. The article says precisely that. RUturaj was technically not a big hit in the 2020 season CSK with low strike rate. I would doubt RCB play him in the next season. There are examples you can find for every situation. But overall players did underperform with RCB compared to other franchises. They had all the biggest names available. Watson averaged what?  11 at a strike rate of 92 with RCB. Next season he won the IPL for CSK.

 

Ruturaj has 3 or 4 consecutive 50s even last year. So was bound to be retained.

 

Same Watson underperformed for CSK last year in UAE. Then what happened? Anyone can have bad season.

 

Even Maxwell performed with RCB with season after failing for years

[ShoonyaSifar]

28 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Nobody wants Dhawan. But KL Rahul and Rahul Dravid will go with him. This is a given. Once he is in the squad they are not going to ask him to sit out. This is why selectors should have never given them the option. Besides Ruturaj is a way better opener in this format in current form. Even before this season his record in list A was decent. Ideally Ruturaj should open. 

I forgot Ruturaj is in the squad. All the more reason why Dhawan and Kohli should be benched. (along with Bhuvi, Ashwin and Chahal), rest Bumrah.

 

V. Iyer, Ruturaj, SKY, Rahul, S. Iyer, Pant, Sundar, Shardul, Chahar, Prasidh and Siraj. Rotate Pant with Ishan 

 

Go for a new look ODI side. Now is the time to experiment especially vs this SA side in transition.

 

But the 11 that will play will be - Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, S. Iyer, Pant, V. Iyer, Ashwin, Chahal, Chahar, Bhuvi, Bumrah

 

 

[neel roy]

35 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Rahul was hardly flaying it lol. He usually bats slow in IPL

no in the match it was SRK 9 ball 22. 

[Lord]

 

 

[Vijy]

11 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

 

Non-selection of Shaw is the most disappointing for me. We need an opener who scores at 110-120 SR, even if the avg is not very high. Ideal opening in the future IMO would be Shaw + Gaekwad/Agarwal/Jaiswal/Padikkal

Edited December 31, 2021 by Vijy

[Vijy]

I would ideally want to see this team play in near-future, once Rohit-Kohli have retired or been forced out.

 

1. Shaw, 2. Padikkal/Jaiswal, 3. Gill, 4. Gaekwad, 5. V. Iyer/W. Sundar, 6. Pant, 7. Samad/Abhishek/Shahrukh, 8. S. Thakur, 9. Axar/R. Chahar, 10. Bumrah, 11. Siraj

 

Batting till 9, and 6 bowling options.

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Vijy said:

I would ideally want to see this team play in near-future, once Rohit-Kohli have retired or been forced out.

 

1. Shaw, 2. Padikkal/Jaiswal, 3. Gill, 4. Gaekwad, 5. V. Iyer/W. Sundar, 6. Pant, 7. Samad/Abhishek/Shahrukh, 8. S. Thakur, 9. Axar/R. Chahar, 10. Bumrah, 11. Siraj

 

Batting till 9, and 6 bowling options.

 

SRK cant bowl.Rahul is doing very good in middle order

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

SRK cant bowl.Rahul is doing very good in middle order

both good points. I totally forgot about KLR, which is my fault. This would be my updated lineup:

 

1. Shaw, 2. Gaekwad/Jaiswal/Padikkal, 3. Gill, 4. KLR, 5. V. Iyer/P. Mankad, 6. Pant/Kishan (wk), 7. Samad/Abhishek, 8. S. Thakur/W. Sundar, 9. Axar/R. Chahar, 10. Bumrah/Prasidh, 11. Siraj/Prasidh

 

Almost everyone from 1 to 8 can in principle score at 100+ SR. Of these top 8, 4 can score at 120+ SR (Shaw, Venky, Pant, Samad/Abhishek). Just what one needs in LOIs. If Hardik can return to bowling, I'd have him as a contender for No. 7 as well

Edited December 31, 2021 by Vijy

[raki05]

Dhawan, boobi what a third class selection. This bhoobi koomar always gets fit in biletrals and ipl and just before eng and NZ overseas tour he will get loose motions.

[raki05]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Nobody wants Dhawan. But KL Rahul and Rahul Dravid will go with him. This is a given. Once he is in the squad they are not going to ask him to sit out. This is why selectors should have never given them the option. Besides Ruturaj is a way better opener in this format in current form. Even before this season his record in list A was decent. Ideally Ruturaj should open. 

Looks like KL and Dhawan will open and Kohli no:3 these 3 will feast on hapless sa attack in all the odis. This same trend will continue till next wc unless we get exposed in ko once again. Selectors ko chappal se maro salo ko.

[vishalvirsingh]

5 hours ago, nsareen said:

 

TEAM : KL Rahul (Capt), Shikhar Dhawan, Ruturaj Gaekwad, Virat Kohli, Surya Kumar Yadav, Shreyas Iyer, Venkatesh Iyer, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ishan Kishan (wk), Y Chahal, R Ashwin, W Sundar, J Bumrah (VC), Bhuvneshwar Kumar,Deepak Chahar, Prasidh Krishna, Shardul Thakur, Mohd. Siraj

 

 

 

 

 

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why Bhuvi?  Is he bowling well, i dont think so. any specific performances where he is back in his 135K+ form and lot of swing...?

Why Ashwin? ashwin in africa is looking to be a MISFIT even in tests. i wont pick ashwin ahead of washington as washington is a much better fielder and batsman and as a bowler , washington may give less runs and choke the batsman and get wickets. ashwin's bowling is a question mark in AFrica.

why Shardul?  i think he is a run giving bowler , he does take wickets but he has never been a run stopping bowler. venkatesh iyer 's bowling could be average but even shardul as a odi bowler may not be much better. yes deepak chahar could be a better odi all rounder.

 

 

other's look most appropriate.

[SRT100]

5 hours ago, Vijy said:

I would ideally want to see this team play in near-future, once Rohit-Kohli have retired or been forced out.

 

1. Shaw, 2. Padikkal/Jaiswal, 3. Gill, 4. Gaekwad, 5. V. Iyer/W. Sundar, 6. Pant, 7. Samad/Abhishek/Shahrukh, 8. S. Thakur, 9. Axar/R. Chahar, 10. Bumrah, 11. Siraj

 

Batting till 9, and 6 bowling options.

 

Im not opposed to having one and only one experienced ODI player in the team, if he is still performing.

 

Hitman as opener is what  I would persist with.

 

However youre right, in the near future, Hitman and Kohli are finished.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, SRT100 said:

 

Im not opposed to having one and only one experienced ODI player in the team, if he is still performing.

 

Hitman as opener is what  I would persist with.

 

However youre right, in the near future, Hitman and Kohli are finished.

They will both retire at some point. better to build sooner than later, especially with ODI WC in mind.