India missing the Jadeja link in this series

[Chakdephatte]

You people are weird. You bash Jadeja left, right, and center when he plays, call him fraud, CSK quota, etc. And when he gets injured, he becomes solution to every problem. 

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Chakdephatte said:

What did jadeja do in England series? Nothing.

He scored crucial fifty in the first test. Took a vital breakthrough in the 4th test whilst keeping the runs down!

[Chakdephatte]

Just now, R!TTER said:

He scored crucial fifty in the first test. Took a vital breakthrough in the 4th test whilst keeping the runs down!

And nothing and 2nd and 3rd test? Is he so bad that every 50 and every wicket he takes becomes an achievement.

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Chakdephatte said:

And when he gets injured, he becomes solution to every problem. 

That's true for Ashwin as well, though I'll maintain I have always preferred Jadeja over Ashwin especially to the angst of his fanboys/girls - because he is the best/only 3d player in the squad.

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Chakdephatte said:

And nothing and 2nd and 3rd test? Is he so bad that every 50 and every wicket he takes becomes an achievement.

I just remember the contributions of the back of my head, I can check scorecard & show you what he did in the rest 8 innings.

[Stan AF]

India is missing an openers/middle order in Rohit and Gill. A bowling all-rounder who can bat and take wickets and tidy up runs. Plus he is also a gun fielder. In sydney 2021, the only way to get smith out was by a direct hit. You add these three we will automatically have 100 more runs in every innings and some better fielding/bowling/efforts plus an added captaincy.

 

 

There are just too many passengers and deadweights in this team now. Jesus frikcing christ it's a joke.

[Chakdephatte]

Just now, R!TTER said:

I just remember the contributions of the back of my head, I can check scorecard & show you what he did in the rest 8 innings.

 

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

He scored crucial fifty in the first test. Took a vital breakthrough in the 4th test whilst keeping the runs down!

Before the last test his figures read somewhat like 2/180. After a good last test, it became 6/248. As a bowling all-rounder it is not good enough. As a batsman, he doesn't know how to bat with tail and sorry to say, is selfish. Batting is a hit or miss, will bat well when we are in a good position.

[Jay]

4 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

India is missing an openers/middle order in Rohit and Gill. A bowling all-rounder who can bat and take wickets and tidy up runs. Plus he is also a gun fielder. In sydney 2021, the only way to get smith out was by a direct hit. You add these three we will automatically have 100 more runs in every innings and some better fielding/bowling/efforts plus an added captaincy.

 

 

There are just too many passengers and deadweights in this team now. Jesus frikcing christ it's a joke.

Don't forget if we bat decently our brilliant bowlers get more rest and can attack with full confidence. 

[R!TTER]

10 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

As a bowling all-rounder it is not good enough.

It's better than any other A/R we've had since Kapil, also better batting stats than anyone not named KL, Rohit over the last 3+ years!

  

10 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

As a batsman, he doesn't know how to bat with tail and sorry to say, is selfish.

That's on the tail as well, we've had the worst tail among all major nations since 2018 - the only exception being 2021 Eng tour! You can't tell me he's bad with the tail when the tail sh!ts themselves against any sort of bowling 

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Team	Players	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
South Africa	13	2017-2021	12	84	20	1160	91	18.12	2334	49.70	0	5	16	169	17
England	18	2017-2022	21	153	36	1623	56	13.87	3082	52.66	0	3	24	195	33
West Indies	14	2017-2020	12	87	20	890	86	13.28	1837	48.44	0	3	17	119	15
Australia	12	2017-2019	15	106	27	997	61	12.62	2030	49.11	0	3	19	114	23
Pakistan	15	2018-2021	17	112	27	1058	113	12.44	2256	46.89	1	1	18	143	10
India	15	2018-2022	26	175	44	1548	86*	11.81	2907	53.25	0	6	40	184	22

 

And I bet there's a few Thakur specials in there!

Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER

[Stan AF]

Just now, Jay said:

Don't forget if we bat decently our brilliant bowlers get more rest and can attack with full confidence. 

Yes. That's a good point. An added advantage for the bowlers.

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

It's better than any other A/R we've had since Kapil, also better batting stats than anyone not named KL, Rohit over the last 3+ years!

Jadeja will be fine in s Africa and Australia. His issue is only swing in England and n.z 

 

He has some issues vs bounce but he has improved a ton.

[Clarke]

35 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

You people are weird. You bash Jadeja left, right, and center when he plays, call him fraud, CSK quota, etc. And when he gets injured, he becomes solution to every problem. 

 

That "You" includes thousands of varied opinions on the forum, including all kinds of expectations and comparisons. I recall how he was criticized for not smashing Anderson & co in England 

 

 

 

On topic, its not much of a gap these days. Ashwin scored a 40 odd, wouldn't expect Jadeja to score a hundred here.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Clarke

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Ashwin scored a 40 odd

Ashwin scores a 40 off every 5 innings or so, Jadeja would double that easily!

[ash]

One more thread analysing a non existent issue instead of focusing on the real one - the missing middle order. Selecting Jadeja over Ashwin or Vice Versa is not a game changer in overseas condition. Ashwin is a better bowler, Jadeja is a better batsman but the difference is not huge. Jadeja could maybe give 10 more runs, Ashwin maybe 1 more wicket. I have never felt that choosing one over the other could change the match decisively in Overseas condition.

[vvvslaxman]

40 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

And nothing and 2nd and 3rd test? Is he so bad that every 50 and every wicket he takes becomes an achievement.

 

He does well when the top/middle order give him platform and the attack is tired enough. He is not going to make a back to the wall 100. His best partnership 225 came when he walked in at 376/4. Second best 202 partnership he came in at 418/6. 3rd best partnership of 138 came when he walked in at 616 for 6.  4th best came against BD when  he walked in at 309/4.  This guy has three triple centuries in domestic. So arguably a specialist batsman. Ashwin was a tailender even for his state.  Ashwin walked in at 156/6 nd added 280 runs for the 7th wicket with Rohit. Walked in at 126/5 and added 213 runs with Saha. Against walked in at 169/6 vs England added 111 runs with Pujara. Most recently against England walked in at 106/6 and added 97 runs with Kohli. He also saved a test. He is a better pressure match player even in his poorest form despite not being a specialist batsman.

[Stan AF]

15 minutes ago, ash said:

 Ashwin is a better bowler,

Ashwin is not a better bowler. Where are the wickets??.

[R!TTER]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin was a tailender even for his state. 

He started (U19s?) as an opener, at least try to lie honestly!

 

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin walked in at 156/6 nd added 280 runs for the 7th wicket with Rohit. Walked in at 126/5 and added 213 runs with Saha. Against walked in at 169/6 vs England added 111 runs with Pujara. Most recently against England walked in at 106/6 and added 97 runs with Kohli. He also saved a test. He is a better pressure match player even in his poorest form despite not being a specialist batsman.

How many of them in S.E.N.A. away from home?

 

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He is not going to make a back to the wall 100.

So all his 4 fifties are flukes, vs none for the incumbent "spinner" 

Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, R!TTER said:

He was an opener, at least try to lie honestly!

 

How many of them in S.E.N.A. away from home?

 

So all his 4 fifties are flukes, vs none for the incumbent "spinner" 

Opener? lol Opener at junior level cricket. Not for his state.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

He was an opener, at least try to lie honestly!

 

How many of them in S.E.N.A. away from home?

 

So all his 4 fifties are flukes, vs none for the incumbent "spinner" 

 

You sound like Jaddu is Ben stokes/Kapil Dev. 57 tests. Grand total of 1 century. So we pick a player because he can score a 50 batting at 7 occasionally?

[R!TTER]

Right & then straight as a tailender? So he forgot all his batting at state level