India missing the Jadeja link in this series

[Majestic]

Clearly, if you look at the stats produced by our no.7 in this series, it is:

 

INN - 5

Runs - 86

Bat AVG - 16

Wickets - 3

Bowl AVG - 38

 

Had Jadeja played, he would have atleast produced some 50 runs more with bat and maybe taken 1 lesser wicket which would mean not much as Ashwin got two of his three wickets of no. 9 and no. 10.

 

If Ashwin doesn't prove his credentials now in this test, we are better off playing Jadeja always and in his absence, W Sundar as a backup for SENA conditions in the team. On tracks assisting spinners on Day 4 and Day 5, Jadeja has done pretty fine overseas too, like taking 4 wickets in Sydney test( collapsing Aus from 205-2 to 330 odd including a run out of Smith), got some wickets in Oval in last tour or a 6-fer in South Africa in 2014 tour.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Clearly, if you look at the stats produced by our no.7 in this series, it is:

 

INN - 5

Runs - 86

Bat AVG - 16

Wickets - 3

Bowl AVG - 38

 

Had Jadeja played, he would have atleast produced some 50 runs more with bat and maybe taken 1 lesser wicket which would mean not much as Ashwin got two of his three wickets of no. 9 and no. 10.

 

If Ashwin doesn't prove his credentials now in this test, we are better off playing Jadeja always and in his absence, W Sundar as a backup for SENA conditions in the team. On tracks assisting spinners on Day 4 and Day 5, Jadeja has done pretty fine overseas too, like taking 4 wickets in Sydney test, got some wickets in Oval in last tour or a 6-fer in South Africa in 2014 tour.

I don't think Jadeja is overall as capable as Ashwin, bowling-wise, but there's no doubting that this batting has improved a lot in the past 3 yrs. Add to that his gun fielding.

 

On bowling-friendly seam/swing pitches, we should go with 4 pacers + Sundar. The reason is that Sundar is arguably a better batter than Jaddu and can play in top 6. This will allow Pant to come down the order at 7.

 

In turning tracks in India, I would have all 4: Axar, Jaddu, Ash, and Sundar because 5 batters are enough. Pant at 5, Sundar at 6, Jaddu at 7, Ash at 8, Axar at 9, and 2 pacers.

Edited January 12, 2022 by Vijy

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Majestic said:

 

If Ashwin doesn't prove his credentials now in this test,

I don't have anything to prove to anyone 

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1293861/r-ashwin---ive-always-been-good-at-assessing-batsmen-but-now-i-think-ive-taken-it-to-another-level

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I don't have anything to prove to anyone 

https://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1293861/r-ashwin---ive-always-been-good-at-assessing-batsmen-but-now-i-think-ive-taken-it-to-another-level

it feels like a lot of ind cricketers are saying similar stuff, that they have nothing to prove. the way I see this is that it's a job where one has to execute it properly, i.e., there's always something to prove.

[Trichromatic]

Team is missing Rohit and Gill. 

[vvvslaxman]

Why is he consistently not available every other series? Anyway batting at the Wanderers is not the same as batting at Pune. Against a lesser bowling attack in England his batting didn't really help us from getting bowled out for 78 runs. What are the odds he would have made a series changing difference.

[R!TTER]

9 minutes ago, Vijy said:

it feels like a lot of ind cricketers are saying similar stuff,

Which basically is an anticipatory bail for as & when they eventually fail. Making excuses even before a failure 

[R!TTER]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Team is missing Rohit and Gill. 

Where would you play Gill?

[Majestic]

5 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Team is missing Rohit and Gill. 

Rohit - yes

 

But Rahul has done a fine job. You can argue he is not taking his game to next level but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to getting dropped. A 100 and a 50 is enough in 5 innings in these conditions.

 

[Majestic]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Why is he consistently not available every other series? Anyway batting at the Wanderers is not the same as batting at Pune. Against a lesser bowling attack in England his batting didn't really help us from getting bowled out for 78 runs. What are the odds he would have made a series changing difference.

You can't do much with the injuries.

 

Jadeja would not have done anything special with bat but his support knocks of 50-60 comes on consistent basis in SENA and that would have definitely helped India when someone at the top is set and looking for big knock like KL in first inning and Kohli yesterday or even Rahane in Melbourne test.

 

If all Ashwin has to do is take wickets on Oval or other spinning wickets on Day 5 pitch, then we are better off with either Jadeja or even Washington in his absence. We know of what Ashwin gives with bat in SENA but he has clearly disappointed everyone with bowl. 2-3 wickets in 5 innings doesn't call for a guaranteed place in the team, especially when you have more impactful cricketers like Jadeja and Washington sitting outside.

 

Next time if Jadeja is injured and we are in SENA, reckon Kohli should prefer Washington over Ashwin as well irrespective of the noises going in twitter and other social media.

 

 

[urbestfriend]

Jaddu would've made some difference for sure. His batting is much better than Ashwin and being a leftie at the lineup is always better to form partnership. 

[vvvslaxman]

9 minutes ago, Majestic said:

You can't do much with the injuries.

 

Jadeja would not have done anything special with bat but his support knocks of 50-60 comes on consistent basis in SENA and that would have definitely helped India when someone at the top is set and looking for big knock like KL in first inning and Kohli yesterday or even Rahane in Melbourne test.

 

If all Ashwin has to do is take wickets on Oval or other spinning wickets on Day 5 pitch, then we are better off with either Jadeja or even Washington in his absence. We know of what Ashwin gives with bat in SENA but he has clearly disappointed everyone with bowl. 2-3 wickets in 5 innings doesn't call for a guaranteed place in the team, especially when you have more impactful cricketers like Jadeja and Washington sitting outside.

 

Next time if Jadeja is injured and we are in SENA, reckon Kohli should prefer Washington over Ashwin as well irrespective of the noises going in twitter and other social media.

 

 

 

 

While i agree his form is good, i am not sure how he would match up against Rabada/Jansen who extracted bounce of a good length a known issue for Jadeja.  Anyway Sundar > both Jadeja and Ashwin in  terms of batting. So if we miss someone it is him. He plays genuine quicks better.

[R!TTER]

18 minutes ago, Majestic said:

If all Ashwin has to do is take wickets on Oval or other spinning wickets on Day 5 pitch, then we are better off with either Jadeja or even Washington in his absence. We know of what Ashwin gives with bat in SENA but he has clearly disappointed everyone with bowl. 2-3 wickets in 5 innings doesn't call for a guaranteed place in the team, especially when you have more impactful cricketers like Jadeja and Washington sitting outside.

No the bigger issue is his batting - it's tailender level, especially in the last few years!

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RG Sharma	2021-2021	6	12	1	510	127	46.36	1190	42.85	1	3	0	58	6
KL Rahul	2021-2022	7	13	0	531	129	40.84	1258	42.20	2	2	1	71	3
V Kohli	2020-2022	10	18	0	523	79	29.05	1240	42.17	0	4	1	67	1
RA Jadeja	2020-2021	8	13	2	301	57	27.36	688	43.75	0	2	0	36	3
CA Pujara	2020-2022	13	25	1	655	91	27.29	1983	33.03	0	6	2	86	0
AM Rahane	2020-2022	13	24	1	606	112	26.34	1411	42.94	1	2	3	70	4
GH Vihari	2020-2022	6	11	2	218	55	24.22	636	34.27	0	1	0	33	0
RR Pant	2020-2022	12	21	0	499	97	23.76	879	56.76	0	2	1	57	5
SN Thakur	2021-2022	5	8	0	171	60	21.37	186	91.93	0	2	2	22	7
MA Agarwal	2020-2022	7	13	0	261	60	20.07	547	47.71	0	2	1	39	1
R Ashwin	2020-2022	8	14	1	193	46	14.84	360	53.61	0	0	2	25	0
Mohammed Shami	2020-2022	10	18	4	162	56*	11.57	222	72.97	0	1	4	19	3

 

From 2015 -

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V Kohli	2018-2022	20	37	0	1449	153	39.16	2942	49.25	3	8	3	170	2
RG Sharma	2018-2021	10	20	2	694	127	38.55	1579	43.95	1	4	0	74	10
CA Pujara	2018-2022	22	42	2	1475	193	36.87	4006	36.81	4	8	5	174	2
RA Jadeja	2018-2021	11	18	3	490	86*	32.66	1013	48.37	0	4	0	58	5
KL Rahul	2018-2022	15	28	0	899	149	32.10	1839	48.88	3	2	2	122	5
RR Pant	2018-2022	18	32	1	945	159*	30.48	1493	63.29	2	2	2	104	15
AM Rahane	2018-2022	21	39	1	999	112	26.28	2361	42.31	1	5	4	107	5
R Ashwin	2018-2022	15	28	3	439	46	17.56	775	56.64	0	0	2	59	1

[R!TTER]

The reason Ashwin picks more wickets  is simple - he bowls more overs 

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GH Vihari	2018-2022	9	337	56	24.07	0	3	3/37	16.00	0	2	0	8.07
RA Jadeja	2018-2021	11	490	86*	32.66	0	30	4/62	30.86	0	5	0	1.80
HH Pandya	2018-2018	6	279	93	25.36	0	13	5/28	30.07	1	1	0	-4.71
R Ashwin	2018-2022	15	439	46	17.56	0	46	4/55	28.91	0	3	0	-11.35
I Sharma	2018-2021	12	109	16	6.41	0	42	5/51	24.23	2	2	0	-17.82
JJ Bumrah	2018-2022	21	159	34*	7.57	0	79	6/33	25.75	3	4	0	-18.18

 

Though I will agree with the premise that Ashwin's currently in better bowling form away from home, especially post Jadeja's Oz tour injury - View overall figures [change view] Opposition team Australia or England or New Zealand or South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) or neutral venue Start of match date greater than or equal to 31 Jan 2019 Involving any of the players R Ashwin (INDIA) or RA Jadeja (INDIA) Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 10 Ordered by batting - bowling average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13   First Previous Next  Last  Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Runs HS Bat Av 100 Wkts BBI Bowl Av 5 Ct St Ave Diff   RA Jadeja 2020-2021 8 301 57 27.36 0 16 4/62 29.25 0 5 0 -1.88   R Ashwin 2020-2022 8 193 46 14.84 0 22 4/55 27.54 0 2 0 -12.69   Mohammed Shami 2020-2022 10 162 56* 11.57 0 31 5/44 27.58 1 4 0 -16.00   JJ Bumrah 2020-2022 13 149 34* 9.93 0 42 5/64 27.73 1 2 0 -17.80

Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER

[Trichromatic]

50 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Rohit - yes

 

But Rahul has done a fine job. You can argue he is not taking his game to next level but that doesn't mean he is anywhere close to getting dropped. A 100 and a 50 is enough in 5 innings in these conditions.

 

 

It's not Rahul v Rohit.

 

Both are in-form batsmen and missing out of an in-form player with weak middle order is big loss. Gill can handle bounce and would have been good in these conditions.

[R!TTER]

He wouldn't have played, Mayank or even Iyer would be preferred over him currently in this setup - they are his seniors 

Edited January 12, 2022 by R!TTER

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

He wouldn't have played, Mayank or even Iyer would be preferred over him currently in this setup - they are his seniors 

The power of sempai (japanese for senior).

[R!TTER]

It's senpai actually.

[Vijy]

Just now, R!TTER said:

It's senpai actually.

correct, there was a typo because "m" and "n" are next to each other. Notice me senpai!

[Chakdephatte]

What did jadeja do in England series? Nothing. And he would have done nothing now. Jadeja outside Asia is plain useless, except Australia.