Vickydev Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Shami is done. Beating the bat thousand times makes no difference in the end, it's about wickets. He doesn't have that extra zip anymore Frustrated and Stan AF 1 1 Link to comment
mishra Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Vickydev said: Shami is done. Beating the bat thousand times makes no difference in the end, it's about wickets. He doesn't have that extra zip anymore Beating batsmen thousand times means you are too good for that batsman. Slightly poorer ball may do the trick ie Shami needs to regress a bit in English conditions Link to comment
sensible-indian Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, mishra said: Beating batsmen thousand times means you are too good for that batsman. Slightly poorer ball may do the trick ie Shami needs to regress a bit in English conditions Beating batsmen 1000 times means you have to bowl fuller. Â Ishant used to be unlucky for YEARS. Â Then he changed his approach and he started averaging 20 for a few years. Vickydev and Vijy 2 Link to comment
The Realist Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 Unlucky Ishant > Old Man Shami  Shami is done. Forging age catches up with you. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) No one in Indian team has ability to start a bouncer barrage...  Or Hostile fast bowling. Siraj Shami are not the answer overseas. Shami definately will work in India. Siraj has completely lost it..  And is at Thakur level now.  If India selectors have any brain left they should start grooming Tyagi before Australia tour 2025 & maybe Umran will be ready as Shami's replacement by then. Prasidh in the meantime is ready & should play every test from now on.  @express bowling @Mosher  What are they doing with Tyagi??  He travelled with the team in Aus tour last & now nowhere to be seen. Edited July 6, 2022 by Lone Wolf Link to comment
Mosher Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: No one in Indian team has ability to start a bouncer barrage...  Or Hostile fast bowling. Siraj Shami are not the answer overseas. Shami definately will work in India. Siraj has completely lost it..  And is at Thakur level now.  If India selectors have any brain left they should start grooming Tyagi before Australia tour 2025 & maybe Umran will be ready as Shami's replacement by then. Prasidh in the meantime is ready & should play every test from now on.  @express bowling @Mosher  What are they doing with Tyagi??  He travelled with the team in Aus tour last & now nowhere to be seen. No idea what they are doing with Tyagi. He's being poorly handled. If he is fit, he needs to travel with the Indian team as a net bowler wherever they go and should play in A teams when they have matches. Same with Umran, Mohsin, Khaleel. Suhaan, express bowling and Lone Wolf 3 Link to comment
Jay Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: No one in Indian team has ability to start a bouncer barrage...  Or Hostile fast bowling. Siraj Shami are not the answer overseas. Shami definately will work in India. Siraj has completely lost it..  And is at Thakur level now.  If India selectors have any brain left they should start grooming Tyagi before Australia tour 2025 & maybe Umran will be ready as Shami's replacement by then. Prasidh in the meantime is ready & should play every test from now on.  @express bowling @Mosher  What are they doing with Tyagi??  He travelled with the team in Aus tour last & now nowhere to be seen. They did bowl bouncer barrage till 2021. Then I don't know what the * happened. Bounce is always key. Always. Bounce matters way more than pace  Bounce at 135 plus is significantly >>>>>>> pace without Bounce at 145 plus. Yes 10 k difference.  Natural height helps here. Shorter bowlers will get more injured if they focus on generating consistent bounce. Taller bowlers will be a safer bet for that role.  Shorter bowlers need to complement them like a seam bowler or express pacer lol.  Ishant shami bumrah was a deadly combo Steyn morkel and philtrundler was a deadly combo.  You need one swing trundler. Ideally a fast trundler but 130-140 swing seam is fine. One bounce based bowler at 135 plus One complete bowler who can do a bit of everything ala steyn or bumrah  Steyn wouldn't be effective without morkel. Now bumrah without a tall guy is left alone. He needs prasidh or tyagi.  Simple logic.  Bossidike management don't understand this. Link to comment
Jay Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: No one in Indian team has ability to start a bouncer barrage...  Or Hostile fast bowling. Siraj Shami are not the answer overseas. Shami definately will work in India. Siraj has completely lost it..  And is at Thakur level now.  If India selectors have any brain left they should start grooming Tyagi before Australia tour 2025 & maybe Umran will be ready as Shami's replacement by then. Prasidh in the meantime is ready & should play every test from now on.  @express bowling @Mosher  What are they doing with Tyagi??  He travelled with the team in Aus tour last & now nowhere to be seen. Actually look it up bro. Bumrah with ishant averaged under 21. Without its 26. Link to comment
Jay Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Mosher said: No idea what they are doing with Tyagi. He's being poorly handled. If he is fit, he needs to travel with the Indian team as a net bowler wherever they go and should play in A teams when they have matches. Same with Umran, Mohsin, Khaleel. All of them yes. My pecking order Prasidh Tyagi Umran Mohsin Khaleel  Honestly umran with the express pace won't add much unless it's vs tail. Middle order bats will smash him like bairstow on flat pitches. Need bounce based bowlers. Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 31 minutes ago, Jay said: All of them yes. My pecking order Prasidh Tyagi Umran Mohsin Khaleel  Honestly umran with the express pace won't add much unless it's vs tail. Middle order bats will smash him like bairstow on flat pitches. Need bounce based bowlers. Umran will nail these guys if he gets more accurate & once it starts reversing...  Good luck to anyone who tries to counter that.  That being said he needs to be given chances in ODIs first which he isn't being given. Tyagi should be along side Test team by now & a regular bowler in ODIs...  Instead of Avesh Arshdeep. Mosher and Need4Speed 2 Link to comment
Jay Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Umran will nail these guys if he gets more accurate & once it starts reversing...  Good luck to anyone who tries to counter that.  That being said he needs to be given chances in ODIs first which he isn't being given. Tyagi should be along side Test team by now & a regular bowler in ODIs...  Instead of Avesh Arshdeep. Man dint bumrah reverse like crazy in the 4th test and destroyed England. Why dint er get reverse this time? I swear the balls were dodgy? Englund kept changing every 15 overs.  Yea definitely ummi will be good with reverse.  On pattas we need to be defensive. Just contain and hit them with bouncers as a surprise weapon Or yorker. Otherwise implement bouncer barrage. I don't understand what went wrong. Yes the score wasn't enough and bowlers dint get enough rest. But still. 384 is not a small target. Fielding dint help. Thakur and siraj regressing cost us. Too similar. That's where ishant was handy. Not that i want ishant but prime ishant was good. Edited July 6, 2022 by Jay Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 if so many people here in this forum can see the wrong lengths of Indian pacers..Siraj just using the wobbly seam all the time..Thakur just flosting the ball..lack of bouncers.. What the Hell are the bowling coach\staff is doing..they are being paid to analyze this with fancy equipments\support etc... better they join our forum and take suggestions from here.. TM seems to lack analysis and vision..now they cant complain lack of talent.. we have so many variety of bowlers coming up..if they cant groom them..its waste of hopes and and waste of money.. BCCI needs to check what the pace academy is doing..and how they plan to groom all these bowlers..improve their skills and work on their fitness standards.. All these upcoming bowlers..I believe just need a little bit of work and can make India a potent force..atleast in bowling.. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Need4Speed said: if so many people here in this forum can see the wrong lengths of Indian pacers..Siraj just using the wobbly seam all the time..Thakur just flosting the ball..lack of bouncers.. What the Hell are the bowling coach\staff is doing..they are being paid to analyze this with fancy equipments\support etc... better they join our forum and take suggestions from here.. TM seems to lack analysis and vision..now they cant complain lack of talent.. we have so many variety of bowlers coming up..if they cant groom them..its waste of hopes and and waste of money.. BCCI needs to check what the pace academy is doing..and how they plan to groom all these bowlers..improve their skills and work on their fitness standards.. All these upcoming bowlers..I believe just need a little bit of work and can make India a potent force..atleast in bowling.. All talks of a proper system in place & bul**sh*t hasn't given India much in last decade or so.  Means implementation is totally wrong & a colossal waste of money &,  time. Thing is you have to use your resources at the right time & right place which people who are in control are not able to do. How can one not see what Tyagi can do?  Is Brydon Carse supposed to be better than him who is in England ODI squad as they look for an enforcer in ODI WC...  How can Umran who looks more like an ODI middle overs specialist isn't in ODI squad but Arshdeep & Avesh are who don't take much wickets but have far less ceiling than those guys.  In Batting things are even more worse...  Kohli is like a Homelander that no one wants to Touch despite him failing..  BCCI acts like deaf Vought organization.  Need4Speed, Mosher, express bowling and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: All talks of a proper system in place & bul**sh*t hasn't given India much in last decade or so.  Means implementation is totally wrong & a colossal waste of money &,  time. Thing is you have to use your resources at the right time & right place which people who are in control are not able to do. How can one not see what Tyagi can do?  Is Brydon Carse supposed to be better than him who is in England ODI squad as they look for an enforcer in ODI WC...  How can Umran who looks more like an ODI middle overs specialist isn't in ODI squad but Arshdeep & Avesh are who don't take much wickets but have far less ceiling than those guys.  In Batting things are even more worse...  Kohli is like a Homelander that no one wants to Touch despite him failing..  BCCI acts like deaf Vought organization.  I really like the last line :D Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted July 6, 2022 Share Posted July 6, 2022 seeing the emergence of Umran and reading the cricinfo article other day about J&K.. BCCI needs to setup some infra and bring J&K bowlers in notice and groom them.. Link to comment
Jay Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 13 hours ago, Need4Speed said: if so many people here in this forum can see the wrong lengths of Indian pacers..Siraj just using the wobbly seam all the time..Thakur just flosting the ball..lack of bouncers.. What the Hell are the bowling coach\staff is doing..they are being paid to analyze this with fancy equipments\support etc... better they join our forum and take suggestions from here.. TM seems to lack analysis and vision..now they cant complain lack of talent.. we have so many variety of bowlers coming up..if they cant groom them..its waste of hopes and and waste of money.. BCCI needs to check what the pace academy is doing..and how they plan to groom all these bowlers..improve their skills and work on their fitness standards.. All these upcoming bowlers..I believe just need a little bit of work and can make India a potent force..atleast in bowling.. First kill caste system Then kill seniority complex Kill off political quota  Like I said we need to pick players based on performance and merit specifically. It's investment banking not government type secure Jobs.  Perform or die. No mercy  Ruthless aggression. I hope for kohlis sake he never sees me in person. I will break that scrawny little **** in half. Need4Speed 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 7/6/2022 at 11:11 PM, Lone Wolf said: All talks of a proper system in place & bul**sh*t hasn't given India much in last decade or so.  Means implementation is totally wrong & a colossal waste of money &,  time. Thing is you have to use your resources at the right time & right place which people who are in control are not able to do. How can one not see what Tyagi can do?  Is Brydon Carse supposed to be better than him who is in England ODI squad as they look for an enforcer in ODI WC...  How can Umran who looks more like an ODI middle overs specialist isn't in ODI squad but Arshdeep & Avesh are who don't take much wickets but have far less ceiling than those guys.  In Batting things are even more worse...  Kohli is like a Homelander that no one wants to Touch despite him failing..  BCCI acts like deaf Vought organization.  everything is being mishandled colossally. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Suhaan Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 7/6/2022 at 6:20 PM, Lone Wolf said: Umran will nail these guys if he gets more accurate & once it starts reversing...  Good luck to anyone who tries to counter that.  That being said he needs to be given chances in ODIs first which he isn't being given. Tyagi should be along side Test team by now & a regular bowler in ODIs...  Instead of Avesh Arshdeep. Chetan Sharma you like it or not doesn't like pace and bounce  It's a fact ,go watch all his interviews He will give so many red flags in space of mere 2 mins,with his vision and knowledge  express bowling and Lone Wolf 1 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 The bowling coach needs to be held accountable and make way. Clearly not a patch on Bharat Arun Suhaan 1 Link to comment
Vijy Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Lord said: The bowling coach needs to be held accountable and make way. Clearly not a patch on Bharat Arun they will bring in unadcutter if paras goes out as bowling coach. Suhaan and Lord 1 1 Link to comment
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