Shardul Thakur or Deepak Chahar - who would you play in LOI team as an all rounder?

[bahadur_billa]

6 hours ago, prudent_kreeda said:

 

In that case our pace bowling will be very toothless with 2 trundlers. Only 1 can make it to the eleven. 

This series should be a clear shoot out between the two. 

[Vijy]

7 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

That means he has to up his fitness, isn't it ?

 

Looks like Rakheem Cornwall is becoming his fitness idol.

yes, the new role model for many

[Bigg Brother]

Both should be played.

 

It isnt as if we are blessed with fast bowlers factories. Chahar atleast picks up wickets in PP unlike Bhuvi who despite specialising in swing goes wicketless in almost every other match.. Chahar,Thakur,Bumrah,Siraj/Shami along with one of the AR who bowls spin should be our attack. This obsession with 2 spinner needs to end. 

 

 

[Lord]

20 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

Both should be played.

 

It isnt as if we are blessed with fast bowlers factories. Chahar atleast picks up wickets in PP unlike Bhuvi who despite specialising in swing goes wicketless in almost every other match.. Chahar,Thakur,Bumrah,Siraj/Shami along with one of the AR who bowls spin should be our attack. This obsession with 2 spinner needs to end. 

 

 

 

2 spinners (atleast) is must in WC in India.

[anish2tweet]

 
If they are bowling 5 overs each then 4 other bowlers are needed ... which means both have to bat in the top 7. 
 

Of course, we can rely on them as batsmen. 5 is just an approximation. One of them can bowl, on their day, can complete their quota.

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[rkt.india]

On 1/24/2022 at 9:18 AM, AKane said:

Yes and he is 30 - if he gets dropped at 31.... it gets harder to come back fitter. But he has to realize what he has to do fitness wise.... else it is over for him in the national team.

 

I think he can do it but will he? With this guy Dravid and the kind of advice he will get..... even today Dravid was just talking about Shardul and Chahar's batting. As @express bowling  I think said .... "That is not their job". Yes - their job is bowling, taking wickets and restricting runs. But will Dravid let them do that.... Dravid did talk about wicket taking options in middle overs but wrt spinners mostly.

Not in India, these days you can come back even if you are 35 like Dhawan, Ashwin, etc.

[anish2tweet]

Not in India, these days you can come back even if you are 35 like Dhawan, Ashwin, etc.

Nothing wrong with Dhawan. It is his partner who has to take the mantle of pinch hitting during Power Plays. Let Kishen/Shaw/Ruturaj take that role. Dhawan's anchor role is also needed. He is consistent too.

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[express bowling]

4 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Not in India, these days you can come back even if you are 35 like Dhawan, Ashwin, etc.

 

In India, it is easier to come back if you are 35+ and really difficult if you are 25 -.

 

Selectors' Meeting ....

 

Mr. X

 

Old ... Check

Lost ability ... Check

Out of form ... Check

 

Mr. X is chosen for the squad.

 

TM Meeting ....

 

Same

 

 

Edited January 25, 2022 by express bowling

[mishra]

On 1/23/2022 at 6:30 PM, express bowling said:

Fun LOI 11

 

1. Shaw

2. Kishan

3. Kohli / Rohit 

4. Pant

5. Rahul

6. Shardul .. has become a batsman who bowls a bit

7. Deepak

8. Axar

9. Bishnoi .. can bat

10. Bumrah

11. Prasidh / Siraj

We need a player like Yuvi if we are to compete at home ie a solid bat who can bowl 6-7 overs in that mix.

[Vijy]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

In India, it is easier to come back if you are 35+ and really difficult if you are 25 -.

 

Selectors' Meeting ....

 

Mr. X

 

Old ... Check

Lost ability ... Check

Out of form ... Check

 

Mr. X is chosen for the squad.

 

TM Meeting ....

 

Same

 

 

if they are 45 even better. time to bring in SRT again perhaps. Old, lost (much of) ability, (mostly) out of form. Ergo, time to bring back Lord Shorty.

[Majestic]

On 1/24/2022 at 12:00 AM, express bowling said:

Fun LOI 11

 

1. Shaw

2. Kishan

3. Kohli / Rohit 

4. Pant

5. Rahul

6. Shardul .. has become a batsman who bowls a bit

7. Deepak

8. Axar

9. Bishnoi .. can bat

10. Bumrah

11. Prasidh / Siraj

If you want to try Shardul that high or go with that combination, then play  Jadeja instead of Axar. Jadeja is a better bat and unlikely to be dropped from Indian team anytime sooner. With 6 proper bowlers, he may not need to bowl 10 overs.

 

6. Jadeja

7. Shardul

8. Deepak Chahar

9. Bishnoi

10. Siraj

11. Bumrah

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, Majestic said:

If you want to try Shardul that high or go with that combination, then play  Jadeja instead of Axar. Jadeja is a better bat and unlikely to be dropped from Indian team anytime sooner. With 6 proper bowlers, he may not need to bowl 10 overs.

 

6. Jadeja

7. Shardul

8. Deepak Chahar

9. Bishnoi

10. Siraj

11. Bumrah

jadeja is a better bat, but arguably a less potent bowler. and when you bat down the order, SR is pretty important. I feel we haven't seen the best of Axar with the bat. His List A stats are excellent, and in ODIs, he's not gotten many opportunities to develop his batting

[Majestic]

51 minutes ago, Vijy said:

jadeja is a better bat, but arguably a less potent bowler. and when you bat down the order, SR is pretty important. I feel we haven't seen the best of Axar with the bat. His List A stats are excellent, and in ODIs, he's not gotten many opportunities to develop his batting

There are 6 bowlers in that team so you need a better batter of the two. Also, Shardul at 6 will be one spot too high. So, having Jadeja at 6 is vital. He takes a few deliveries to get himself in but has enough shots to make a difference after getting set.

 

Axar as batsman is what Jadeja was 4 years ago. The bar is higher at International level. 

 

As for hitting skills, we have the IPL and other stats to have an idea of how much capable Axar is. If Rahul can get his mind sorted and play more aggressively at 4 or 5 and with Pant in it as well, we have enough hitters in Shardul and Deepak to bother about that.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Majestic

[anish2tweet]

For WorldT20, which is in Australia, perhaps it should be both. We dont really have a spinner who can be effective on those bouncy pitches. Any spin option should be a part timer who can primarily bat well. Perhaps Jadeja fits the bill because he is a decent batsman and a great fielder. Chahal, Ashwin, Yadav will be carted for sixes all day in Australia and they are not good with the bat, so they dont bring much to the table in terms of overall effectiveness.
 
If only one can be picked, it should be Thakur.
 
Ideally, these are the potential all rounders for LOI team,
 
Hardik
Thakur
Chahar
Jadeja
W Sundar
 
 

Replace Thakur with Bumrah and Siraj/Prasidh. Then you get 6 bowling options. 5 batters including Pant at the top.

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[express bowling]

11 hours ago, Majestic said:

If you want to try Shardul that high or go with that combination, then play  Jadeja instead of Axar. Jadeja is a better bat and unlikely to be dropped from Indian team anytime sooner. With 6 proper bowlers, he may not need to bowl 10 overs.

 

6. Jadeja

7. Shardul

8. Deepak Chahar

9. Bishnoi

10. Siraj

11. Bumrah

 

I don't want to try Shardul that high.

 

But can see both the trundlers playing together and want a way to play 2 proper pacers atleast. 

 

I like your team.

 

Want to play 2 among Bumrah, Siraj and Prasidh by rotation.

[vvvslaxman]

Jaddu at 6 or 7 depending on the situation. May be even higher if there is a collapse.  Chahar/Thakur 8/9.  First 7 spots should be reserved for genuine all rounders and batsmen regardless of their potential. A frontline fast bowler can easily get injured and he may not be able to bowl. He won't bat as well. Since Jadhav left we don't have batsman who can bowl.  This is why persisting with Venky Iyer is not a terrible idea.  Heck make him open if that is what works. Push KL Rahul down the order.

[rkt.india]

13 hours ago, Majestic said:

If you want to try Shardul that high or go with that combination, then play  Jadeja instead of Axar. Jadeja is a better bat and unlikely to be dropped from Indian team anytime sooner. With 6 proper bowlers, he may not need to bowl 10 overs.

 

6. Jadeja

7. Shardul

8. Deepak Chahar

9. Bishnoi

10. Siraj

11. Bumrah

6 is too high for Jadeja. In fact, Jadeja should not be anywhere near our LOI sides.

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Jaddu at 6 or 7 depending on the situation. May be even higher if there is a collapse.  Chahar/Thakur 8/9.  First 7 spots should be reserved for genuine all rounders and batsmen regardless of their potential. A frontline fast bowler can easily get injured and he may not be able to bowl. He won't bat as well. Since Jadhav left we don't have batsman who can bowl.  This is why persisting with Venky Iyer is not a terrible idea.  Heck make him open if that is what works. Push KL Rahul down the order.

Yes but KL will anyway bat at 5 once Rohit comes in. 

[rkt.india]

I want all three fast bowlers in Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh and rest should be spin alrounders.

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

6 is too high for Jadeja. In fact, Jadeja should not be anywhere near our LOI sides.

 

TINA factor. He has been the most economical regardless of uber ineffectiveness. YOu can hide him between 10th over and 40th over. He sure can't do sh&& inside power play.  Good fielder. On a good day he can score a quick 25 ball 40. Overall his strike rate while batting at 6 or below is less than ideal. His career striek rate 6 is 85. career strike rate at 7 is 85. Even during his best days hit is only 94.  Sundar is a proper batsman. He can't slog either.