vayuu1 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 diga 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The coaching,, the nudging , the promptings fails to steer the narrative Kashmiriyat*Islamiyat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lone Wolf Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Web series is much much needed... Hopefully Agnihotri pulls it off soon. Movie has just barely scratched the surface. Hindus probably would be shattered if real truth is revealed. I didn't knew massacres happened even in late 90's & early 2000's.. Ffs Thread much needed for everyone... As authentic as they come. To seculars, To liberals to everyone, To RW as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Internet was available in India at least from 1996 onwards. A lot of happening in Kashmir was known. All massacres , Sikhs getting killed in a village were reported in MSM. But the narrative was about army excesses and HR violations. The narrative was missing KP exodus. Even today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MultiB48 said: Living Standards maybe better in Canada but surely you would acknowledge that you are sort of living off occupied territory and since sahibs are now kind enough to allow Indians to settle there, maybe to share in their "guilt " or maybe that's just hyperbole but still one could be grateful to them for having changed for the better.But majority of us will never be allowed to settle en masse in those lovely countries ,many NRIs wouldn't want that to happen either .So enjoy your life but appreciate that there will be limitation to our affinity towards the west and their ways. Fertility rate is already significantly down in India,many states are below replacement levels.Industrialization and urbanization coupled with poor leadership and organizational capabilities have ruined our environment, possibly brain drain has played it's part as well and not to forget our great strength of tolerance which so often manifests as apathy.Overpopulation could have been lessened had we invaded and used foreign resources to alleviate our living standards , but then the "good guys" already indulged in so much rona dhona ,i wonder what would have been the case if we have been a conquering civilizing power. PS- If you felt any personal hostility or guilt tripping in what I said then I am sorry. It is not about who is settled where but what people have done with "their" country. If I tell a Pakistani that in Pakistan, its army may have taken over the role played by British, he/she will likely say how democratic Pakistan is. It has a PM. To suggest that Pak is a strong nation, he/she will even say that it is a nuclear power, or whatever. However, all these mean zilch to his/her audience (apart from those seeking solace from such words). Similarly, comments coming out on India about India. Words on social media do not solve problems. Discussing among ourselves on how great India is or why it is yet to reach its potential (can allow ourselves to be delusional and blame outside factors), will not change its status (5 cowards can pat each others' backs to proclaim among themselves that they are brave). Actual work needs to be done. PS as for the topic, as I said, it is disappointing that an issue like Kashmir gets a "little more" attention when a film is released on it (probably only to be forgotten in a few weeks). Edited March 17, 2022 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 This Movie absolutely changed the meaning of this song,faiz started it,but kashmir files destroyed the whole narrative. mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 @MultiB48 For all their chest-thumping about the environment, per capita energy consumption and CO2 emission is much higher (am guessing >10x) in the developed West. So, until they (including me, coz I live in the West) can bring that down, they (including me) can stop preaching to the developing world about climate change and energy consumption. As emerging economies in Asia and Africa develop, they will consume more and emit more, but so be it. If a woman in Sudan has the buying power to own a washing machine and can now go to school instead of washing her kids' clothes all day - more power to her (literally and figuratively). Sgattick10, mishra and coffee_rules 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MultiB48 said: Settlements do matter, as does access to resources, else options are limited . Yeah ,sadly it's a fight for resources,one who analyses and organises better wins. We are largely responsible for our failures but is it that terrible to shift some blame onto others since we do live in a connected and competitive world and are affected by international activities of various nations ,organisations and businesses. One can shift the blame to whoever it wants to, but that serves no actual purpose. For e.g., If the water and air in India are polluted, they are polluted. No one (including sensible folks in India) is going to say "Oh poor India, it is ok to have to breathe such air and drink such water (or as if someone else is polluting it), because we overpopulated and lack resources or whatever (and when there are countries with less resources that manage things relatively better)". The air has to be breathable (even for animals and birds), no excuses here (and it hurts Indians themselves - PS Link and Link). Similarly, in other cases. Unfortunately, most of the "logic" (Desi, Lahori, 3rd world, etc.) in these countries is developed through interactions with each other (If the pigeon closes its eyes, the cat does not disappear). Not many care for such. (If many in India do not care for India, can't expect outsiders to care too or develop unnecessary sympathies). Time is running out and so are the "outside factors" that can be blamed. Sooner or later, fingers have to point inwards (at us for incompetence, corruption, insensitivity, use of bad philosophies/concepts/logical fallacies, lower standards, etc., which create issues in a variety of fields), we have to become more responsible and accountable (discipline), and then maybe we can see some drive to change. Edited March 17, 2022 by zen coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 hours ago, vayuu1 said: This Movie absolutely changed the meaning of this song,faiz started it,but kashmir files destroyed the whole narrative. Sirf dekhna nhi hai seekh bhi leni hai ,sabse badi seekh ye hai ,ki chahe pyaar ho ya bhaichara ek tarfa nhi hona chahiye,agar bhaichare main bhai koi aur ho aur chara tum to bhaiya hum sanghi hi theek hai aur chaud main kehte hai ki.hai jo hai so hai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, MultiB48 said: Are you totally oblivious to the cons of urbanising and industrialising a billion people in a densely packed region of the world.Most would rather escape than try to fix this mess .If you care so much then instead of just hoarding the skilled and educated ones, take the poor and unskilled ones and give them a better quality of life . Well, there more densely packed regions that have managed their resources better and grown responsibly. Unfortunately, growing irresponsibly to a billion provides no excuses to vandalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, vayuu1 said: Hum kootenge Lazim hai ab hum kootenge In gaddaro in saalo ko In mowdarchowdo bsdi walo ko In su war ke baalo ko In desh ke dalalo ko Hum kootenge Lazim hai ki ab hum kootenge Hum kootenge , Jab modi shah ke order pe Sab anti national daudaye jaayenge Sab liberandus daudaye jayenge Aur latth se bajaye jayenge Bas dard rahega lathi ka Jo gayab bhi hai hazir bhi Jo manzar bhi hai nazir bhi Uthega jai bharat maa ka nara Jo main bhi hi ho aur tum bhi ho Hum kootenge Laazim hai ki ab hum kootenge Hum kootenge Happy Holi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, mishra said: Happy Holi Same to u bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vayuu1 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Meanwhile in bangladesh https://www.aajtak.in/world/story/dhaka-iskcon-radhakanta-temple-attacked-and-vandalised-ntc-1430821-2022-03-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 12 hours ago, MultiB48 said: Are you totally oblivious to the cons of urbanising and industrialising a billion people in a densely packed region of the world.Most would rather escape than try to fix this mess .If you care so much then instead of just hoarding the skilled and educated ones, take the poor and unskilled ones and give them a better quality of life . Agree, the developed are causing more harm to earth than the developing. Forget, per capita, look at the volume of waste the west iis producing from the “high” living standards. They are comfortably living on industrialization of 200* years looting on colonizing what they now call third world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Agree, the developed are causing more harm to earth than the developing. Forget, per capita, look at the volume of waste the west iis producing from the “high” living standards. They are comfortably living on industrialization of 200* years looting on colonizing what they now call third world. Bhai, Germany is using fossil fuel despite they have capability to use nuclear power for electricity generation if they want. Not using nuclear plants is their govmnt and peoples conscious decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bharathh Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Agree, the developed are causing more harm to earth than the developing. Forget, per capita, look at the volume of waste the west iis producing from the “high” living standards. They are comfortably living on industrialization of 200* years looting on colonizing what they now call third world. We should have a diff topic to discuss this. That said, India and China are very polluted yes and efforts should be made to improve for the benefit of the planet. However, the west has to cut down substantially on its pollution as well. We need to come to an acceptable level of pollution per capita (although I doubt this will be done as the developed countries know they will never be able to do this even with clean energy) and waste. Electric cars for example will generate a huge amount of lethal land pollution due to old Lithium Ion batteries. In fact the process of creating these batteries is extremely toxic as well (mostly in China). One thing that can be done immediately by countries is to create carbon sinks through increasing green cover. I don't see any developed country investing in that. In fact only India and China have been prioritising this. The green cover over both countries has increased substantially ... although the density of the cover needs to increase which is a function of time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions It is inexcusable that countries like Canada and Australia with minuscule populations emit so much! They could def create carbon sinks in their countries to offset their pollution at least by creating dense forests on unused lands. sandeep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share Posted March 18, 2022 Guys the thread is derailing with irrelevant conversations- Stay on topic please. Sgattick10, coffee_rules and mishra 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mishra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Someone asked Aamir Khan what his views are about “The Kashmir Files”. In answer he said he hasnt seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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