Why are we trying to bring back Trundler Culture in Indian cricket again ?? Our pace bowling revolution started with the pace and bounce of Bumrah and Shami.and the height of Ishant.

[Mosher]

6 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

He's not asking him to be a trundler.

 

140+ is enough with accuracy and skills. Very tough to do that at 150+

A bowler who can bowl 150 is an x-factor in the team. Guys who can bowl at those speeds are a rare breed. Will someone like Mark Wood be the same bowler if he was told to bowl 140? Mark Wood is pretty accurate at 150+ speed too and 140 is not difficult to play for batsman these days. Why aim lower? 

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Absolutely wrong,150+ and swinging and maintaing your line is not something which isn't impossible

 

That is a delusion,noone can operate at 150+ consistently even in odis

But bowlers have done well in t20s opearting at 150

150+ bowlers are rare,no aide asks them to reduce their pace anyway

 

Even Shami can bowl 150 in T20s

 

Obviously hes talking overall and Tests in particular.

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

 

140+ is enough with accuracy and skills. Very tough to do that at 150+

 

 

There is one very big factor in cricket which we don't realize by watching the game on TV.

 

The biggest factor that dominates cricket is the fear of getting hit by the hard ball delivered at high pace and with steep bounce.

 

No one likes it. Hayden was saying that he felt that his heart would explode when he faced Shoaib bowling at full pace. Lara said something similar regarding Lee and Akhtar. 

 

In an interactive session between Kohli and Smith, they talked about the fear of getting hit by a 150 k+ ball.

 

It is this fear that made the WI of the 1980s such a dominant side. Some players used to feign injuries and miss series against the WI. Many people would be surprised how inaccurate some of those quicks were from time to time I  But still they won everything by inducing fear.

 

In that era of poor protective gear, 140 k+ with bounce induced fear. But not any more as protective gear and fitness have improved a lot and so have the bats.

 

Nowadays, fear is induced only at 150 k+  (  unless one has a Bumrah type bowler who releases the ball well into the crease and has an awkward action and hence is fearsome at 145 k+ ) 

 

Having atleast one 150 k+ pacer,, if not more, can be very handy due to this reason. He messes with the minds of batters by inducing fear and helps other bowlers pick wickets too.

 

 

 

 

[Suhaan]

29 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Even Shami can bowl 150 in T20s

 

Obviously hes talking overall and Tests in particular.

Shami has never bowled 150

[express bowling]

37 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Even Shami can bowl 150 in T20s

 

Obviously hes talking overall and Tests in particular.

 

 

Ironically, Shami's quickest ball of 151 kph was bowled in a test match against NZ in 2016. And in 2018, he bowled a fastest of 149 kph in a test match too. 

 

Another interesting titbit is that Bumrah's fastest of 153.3 kph and Ishant's fastest of 152 kph were all bowled in test matches.

 

Another interesting fact is that Bumrah bowled 75 deliveries above 150 kph in tests in 2018, but in LOIs he did not bowl that quickly.

 

Indian pacers are funny in the sense that they slow down in T20s while pacers of other countries become quicker in T20s.   

Edited October 4, 2022 by express bowling

[Lord]

24 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Shami has never bowled 150

 

Pretty sure he has bowled 150 even in Tests. 

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Pretty sure he has bowled 150 even in Tests. 

In t20s he hasn't,yes in test

[singhvivek141]

4 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Ironically, Shami's quickest ball of 151 kph was bowled in a test match against NZ in 2016. And in 2018, he bowled a fastest of 149 kph in a test match too. 

 

Another interesting titbit is that Bumrah's fastest of 153.3 kph and Ishant's fastest of 152 kph were all bowled in test matches.

 

Another interesting fact is that Bumrah bowled 75 deliveries above 150 kph in tests in 2018, but in LOIs he did not bowl that quickly.

 

Indian pacers are funny in the sense that they slow down in T20s while pacers of other countries become quicker in T20s.   

This shows that our frontline fast bowlers are fitter and don't loose stamina even in third session of the day (Shami used to trundle at 130's around 2014-2015 but once he shortened his stride his pace and consisteny both went up)

 

However, in terms of low speed in shorter format, I think of 2 reasons

1) Our boys startup slow and need some overs to get in rhythm, in T20's 1-2 over spells doesn't allow them to build up a rhythm.

2) Maybe our frontline pacers don't go all out in T20's as they feel they'll loose control and leak runs....in Tests it's still fine but in T20's such problem will cause the team a lot harm. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by singhvivek141

[kruiser]

On 9/7/2022 at 1:11 AM, Jay said:

Bounce at 135-145 is more than sufficient. You need to be able to vary the lengths. Bounce matters way more than pace. Steep bounce, throat level bounce and ability to vary the length at fast medium pace is deadly. 

 

Most speedster beauties are **** at bowling bouncers. Like most parkies.

 What did bounce do for Pandu? He only balls short and is one of the most hittable bowlers if there is no help from pitch.

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, kruiser said:

 What did bounce do for Pandu? He only balls short and is one of the most hittable bowlers if there is no help from pitch.

 

 

That's because he only bowls short.

 

Have to mix up lengths.

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, kruiser said:

 What did bounce do for Pandu? He only balls short and is one of the most hittable bowlers if there is no help from pitch.

Bowling short or bouncer doesn't mean bounce. Bounce means getting bounce from length or short of length like Prasidh gets. This is bounce.

 

https://youtu.be/pnBpTe3B-Ak

 

 

[express bowling]

T20 World Cup Squads .....

 

Pacers with Pace or Bounce or Both .....

 

*  Medium fast but gets bounce 

 

 

AUSTRALIA  .... 5

 

Starc 

Cummins

Hazlewood 

Green ... allrounder

* Richardson

 

 

 

SOUTH AFRICA  ..... 5

 

Rabada

Nortje

Ngidi

Jansen

* Parnell 

 

(  Some chance of the super tall Jansen coming in after Pretorius' injury )

 

 

 

 

 

PAKISTAN .... 5

 

Rauf

Shaheen

Naseem

Wasim Jnr 

Hasnain  ( probably still chucking )

 

 

 

WEST INDIES .... 4

 

Joseph

Odean Smith 

* McCoy

* Holder ... allrounder 

 

 

 

 

ENGLAND  .... 4

 

Wood

Jordan

Topley .. got injured

Stokes 

 

 

 

NEW ZEALAND .... 3

 

Ferguson

Milne 

Boult 

 

 

 

SRI LANKA .... 3

 

Kumara

Chameera .. got injured

Madhushanka .. got injured

 

 

 

BANGLADESH .... 2

 

Taskin

Ebadot

 

 

 

INDIA .... 2

 

Shami

Hardik ... allrounder 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Squads selected for the NZ and Bangladesh tours .... 

 

Regarding pacers ... 

 

GOOD  ....

 

1. Umran selected for 2 of the 3 LOI Squads

 

2.  Kuldeep Sen gets maiden call up for NZ ODIs. Very very happy regarding this.

 

3.  Dayal is in the BD ODI squad.

 

4.  Newbies are being tried via the ODI route ... this is a the best format for new players to get their feet wet in international cricket.

 

5.  Siraj gets back in the T20I mix 

 

6.  A large pool of pacers are being tried in low key bilaterals. 

 

7. Avesh and Mukesh Kumar removed 

 

8.  No new trundlers get in the mix 

 

 

BAD ....

 

1.    3 Trundlers and 2 Quicks formula maintained in 2 of the 3 LOI Squads. Why not have atleast 3 quicks in every LOI squad  if not more  ????  We don't need so many trundlers. 

 

2.  Kuldeep Sen could have been in the Bangladesh ODI squad too in place of Shardul or Shami. 

 

3.  Why has Bhuvi been selected in T20I Squad even after WC  ?

 

4.  Bawa could have been tried in place of Shardul or Deepak Chahar in one of the LOI squads.

 

 

 

Overall, lots of positives but some big negatives continue.

 

P.S ... Prasidh and Mohsin miss out due to injury.

Edited November 2, 2022 by express bowling

[Need4Speed]

We dont need experience of Bhuvi after WC and need his place for a youngster for grooming purposes..thats the only value we are going to achieve from the bilaterals..even if we lose them but if we are able to groom some uoungsters by giving much needed experience  thats a net positive…

Any bilateral wins with stats padding is a net negative if youngsters are not groomed..

I even dont like Dhawan..I respect the guy for what he has done for our country but of late he is not batting for the cause of the team..

Gill and co needs to be given more opportunities.

Edited November 2, 2022 by Need4Speed

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

We dont need experience of Bhuvi after WC and need his place for a youngster for grooming purposes..thats the only value we are going to achieve from the bilaterals..even if we lose them but if we are able to groom some uoungsters by giving much needed experience  thats a net positive…

Any bilateral wins with stats padding is a net negative if youngsters are not groomed..

 

 

 

Difficult to understand why selectors feel that Bhuvi has to play every T20I and Shardul has to play every ODI and every A team game. 

[SRT100]

39 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Difficult to understand why selectors feel that Bhuvi has to play every T20I and Shardul has to play every ODI and every A team game. 

 

Can I get your thoughts here?

What is the best bowling attack you think we could play in T20 Cricket assuming everyone is healthy?

[SRT100]

52 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

We dont need experience of Bhuvi after WC and need his place for a youngster for grooming purposes..thats the only value we are going to achieve from the bilaterals..even if we lose them but if we are able to groom some uoungsters by giving much needed experience  thats a net positive…

Any bilateral wins with stats padding is a net negative if youngsters are not groomed..

I even dont like Dhawan..I respect the guy for what he has done for our country but of late he is not batting for the cause of the team..

Gill and co needs to be given more opportunities.

 

'Dhawan is going to be "rewarded" for captaining the team in ODI, by playing in the next WC.

 

Nothing can be more surer than Hitman and Dhawan opening.

[Need4Speed]

30 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

'Dhawan is going to be "rewarded" for captaining the team in ODI, by playing in the next WC.

 

Nothing can be more surer than Hitman and Dhawan opening.

Ofc..We Indians do like taking snacks,medicines etc even after expiry dates..

Cricket is no exception..

Edited November 2, 2022 by Need4Speed

[express bowling]

35 minutes ago, SRT100 said:

 

Can I get your thoughts here?

What is the best bowling attack you think we could play in T20 Cricket assuming everyone is healthy?

 

 

My preference ....

 

6. Hardik

7. Jadeja

8. Mohsin 

9. Kuldeep Yadav

10. Bumrah 

11. Arshdeep / Tyagi 

 

 

I will pick.Arshdeep if there is chance of swing and pick Tyagi otherwise ( after grooming him.in a few T20Is ) 

Edited November 2, 2022 by express bowling

[express bowling]

We will never succeed if we fill the team with so called pacers who lack both pace and bounce.

 

Why is it so difficult to understand !!!!